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Thank you for the extensive write-up dnewton.
I need a little advice from you all if possible....
I have a 05 D/A 4x4, my manual states Dex III ATF for Manual Transfer Case and AUTO-TRAK II Fluid for Automatic Transfer Case.

Forgive me for sounding ignorant, but how do I know which T case I have in my truck?
I'd like to drain and install new fluids over the weekend in my rear diff and unsure which ATF I should use....?
Dex III, Dex VI?
How do I find out how many quarts my diff will take (so not to overfill, just to OEM specs)?
(For the record, I can use the leftover TransSynd ATF from changing my tranny fluid no problem, right? Just more $ than the Dex...)

Sorry to dummy up this intelligent thread, but I'd appreciate the advice.
 
Thank you for the extensive write-up dnewton.
I need a little advice from you all if possible....
I have a 05 D/A 4x4, my manual states Dex III ATF for Manual Transfer Case and AUTO-TRAK II Fluid for Automatic Transfer Case.

Forgive me for sounding ignorant, but how do I know which T case I have in my truck?
I'd like to drain and install new fluids over the weekend in my rear diff and unsure which ATF I should use....?
Dex III, Dex VI?
How do I find out how many quarts my diff will take (so not to overfill, just to OEM specs)?
(For the record, I can use the leftover TransSynd ATF from changing my tranny fluid no problem, right? Just more $ than the Dex...)

Sorry to dummy up this intelligent thread, but I'd appreciate the advice.
You have a manuel t-case. It will take 2 qts (or just short of 2) of transmission fluid. yes you may use the TES-295 fluid if you choose it will be fine. If you don't want to get a DEX VI that will work just fine also.
 
Actually the manual for the 2007 classic specifically calls for Manual Transmission Fluid Gm Part No.. U.S. 88861800 I have also read several posts that state not to use Dex VI.

Subject:Manual Transmission Fluid Usage In 2007 And Prior Manual Transmissions And Transfer Cases - keywords case fluid manual transmission transfer #PIP3836B - (02/05/2007)

Models:2007 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks
2007 and Prior HUMMER H2
2007 HUMMER H3
2007 and Prior Saturn Passenger Cars and Trucks

This PI is superseded to add a note under concerns. Please discard PIP3836A.

The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:

Use of manual transmission fluid part number 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) in place of Dexron III.

Important Note: If the vehicle owners manual lists Dexron VI as the recommended transmission, transaxle or transfer case fluid disregard any information supplied in this PI. Use eSI and or the vehicle owners manual to determine what type of fluid should be used prior to referencing the below information

Recommendation/Instructions:

Manual Transmission fluid part number 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) is currently available through GMSPO. Current and past model vehicles listed above with either a manual transmission or transfer case that REQUIRE Dexron III should use the above listed manual transmission fluid. This fluid is a direct replacement for Dexron III in manual transmissions and transfer cases. DO NOT use Dexron VI in place of the manual transmission fluid in any manual transmissions or transfer cases as a failure may result.


"If fluid part number 88861800 U.S. (88861801 Canada) is unavailable when servicing a manual transmission or transfer case, Dexron III can be used in it's place. DO NOT use Dexron VI in place of the manual transmission fluid in any manual transmissions or transfer cases as a failure may result"





If you don't want any problems the only way to insure that is buy the Manual Transmission Fluid GM part No. US. 88861800 from the dealer. That is what I did.
 
dnewton - thanks for the info; I still have a couple of questions, if you will.

1. Other than the color and the price, what is the real difference between Auto Track II and Dex III?

2. Other than a waste of money, is there any disadvantage to using Auto Track II? I thought that on my initial change I put the wrong fluid in (Dex III) so I replaced it with Auto Trak II this weekend.

3. If Dex III is approved, then Transynd should be even better, correct? I'll have some left after my switch.

4. How do you guys fill your transfer case? I've tried finding a pump that will fit on a quart-sized bottle, but can't find one so had to make-shift one for a gallon bottle.

5. If it were desired, how would you "overfill" the transfer case? When it comes out of the fill hole it's full...? I tried to get my truck level but apparently it wasn't - pumped 2 quarts in then pulled the hose and lost about 1/2 pint.

Thanks in advance!
 
dnewton - thanks for the info; I still have a couple of questions, if you will.

1. Other than the color and the price, what is the real difference between Auto Track II and Dex III?

2. Other than a waste of money, is there any disadvantage to using Auto Track II? I thought that on my initial change I put the wrong fluid in (Dex III) so I replaced it with Auto Trak II this weekend.

3. If Dex III is approved, then Transynd should be even better, correct? I'll have some left after my switch.

4. How do you guys fill your transfer case? I've tried finding a pump that will fit on a quart-sized bottle, but can't find one so had to make-shift one for a gallon bottle.

5. If it were desired, how would you "overfill" the transfer case? When it comes out of the fill hole it's full...? I tried to get my truck level but apparently it wasn't - pumped 2 quarts in then pulled the hose and lost about 1/2 pint.

Thanks in advance!
I will let Dave address #s 1 & 2 since he will give a more unbiased technical answer than I will. :D

Transynd will work just fine in your T-Case.

I used a pump I bought from Amsoil that comes ready to be used with qts, gallons, or 2.5 gallon jugs. They cost 11.95.

To overfill the tcase you need to pull the speed sensor off of the top of the t-case and fill through there. Its a black plastic gizzmo on the top side of the t-case with a wire connected to it.
 
Thanks; in my umpteenth re-read I found the answers to #3 (yes, Transynd would be superior) and #5 (no need to overfill). Still interested in David's response to #'s 1 and 2.

I'll look for the Amsoil pump; if I could find one that fits standard quart sized bottles I would be thrilled!

Thanks again!
 
This is a good write up if the world was perfect. It is not. The writer did not take into consideration what we do to these trucks which may go beyond what the factory called for as far as lubricants. The writer did not take into consideration that NO cold testing was ever done with Dex6 ( I would venture to say not much testing at all was done ). Hundreds of Allison transmissions failed in the big freeze in Canada a year or so ago. Seems Dex 6 failed misserably. I would not flush my toilet with Dex 6. The writer of this thread speaks of 5/30 engine oil not lubricating our transfercases because it is chain driven and not gear driven. I beg to differ on the gear driven part. We have gears that mesh in our transfercases.
I am not saying I'm an advocate of 5/30 engine oil in the T/C because the reason for using it is because most people never check the fluid level in the T/C. It does in fact vaporize and I have seen many T/C's in my shop almost empty with no sign of a leak. In cases like this, using a 5/30 oil will protect the T/C for people that do not check it often enough.
Listing data from manufacturers as gospel does not count when you put a programmer on and run the crap out of the trans or T/C. Allison says the Transgo doesn't work but I know at least 3 engineers over at Allison that run Trango shift kits and Alto clutches.
The writer of this thread never mentioned the abuse the T/C will see drag racing.
If you use ATF in your T/C you will be fine as long as you check it on a regular basis. If you don't you will be better off with 5/30 as it will not vaporize as fast. It will also lubricate a hard working T/C better but is not necessary.
I think the writer of this thread posted good info for people that do not hot rod their trucks. He now needs to do his homework on what works in the pits. What works best in the pits is most often what works best in any given situation.
By the way, I run ATF in my T/C because I check it all the time.
 
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A couple of comments ...

I didn't research AutoTrackII fluid because it's not specified (to the best of my knowledge) for the HD trucks. (Although, if you include the 1500HD, then yeah, it might be, but that's a different t-case all together). But I was keeping my comments to the 261/263 t-cases. Clearly I made that distinction in the text of the analysis I wrote. The basis of my analysis was to compare/contrast the choice between ATF and 5w-30; that is, by far, the largest debate that rages in regard to the t-cases in our 2500/3500 HD trucks.

Mike - you're somewhat right, and somewhat not. I certainly did address the individual needs of people in the last paragraph, titled "reality check". I clearly make the distinction that "it's your truck", "it's your decision". I said that many things, including the operation and maintenance plans should be included in each individuals decision. In drag racing/sled pulling/etc applications, then all bets are off. EXTREME conditions, in situations that would clearly have the propensity to void warranty provisions, really don't apply to my technical analysis. To make the leap from stock street driven (and lightly modified) vehicles, to heavily modified, purpose built vehicles is an unfair one. One of the many topics I clearly addressed was that of warranty, from many perspectives. If you hot-rod your truck, and enter competitions (drags/pulling/etc), then warranty is not of concern to you, so choosing a fluid for your t-case based on my analysis has no merit. I agree with that. But if you read the analysis, I was clearly keeping my topic on track with those that are concerned with warranty and long equipment life; not speciality situations. Perhaps I should have explicitly stated that, but I certainly implied it with the detailed descriptions and thought process.

What I was trying to get people to understand is that while fluid selection is important, maintenance routines are more so. No fluid choice will save your t-case from pump rub. No fluid choice will save your t-case from a total lack of preventative maintenance program, that allows fluid evaporation. These units are not "fill and forget"; they do not have an "unlimited serivce life".

Hope that clears things up.
 
This discussion about "do I have an automatic transfer case or a manual?"--my owners manual shows drawings or photos of the manual floor shift, the automatic, and the electronic shift. It should be very simple to look at the pictures, look at your dash, and determine that you do NOT have an automatic transfer case in a 2500HD or 3500 truck. These trucks do not shift to 4wd automatically--they are shifted manually by the operator. When all else fails reading the manual usually works. So, the correct fluid would be DEX III, DEX VI, or 5W30, but not the Auto-Trac fluid.
 
This discussion about "do I have an automatic transfer case or a manual?"--my owners manual shows drawings or photos of the manual floor shift, the automatic, and the electronic shift. It should be very simple to look at the pictures, look at your dash, and determine that you do NOT have an automatic transfer case in a 2500HD or 3500 truck. These trucks do not shift to 4wd automatically--they are shifted manually by the operator. When all else fails reading the manual usually works. So, the correct fluid would be DEX III, DEX VI, or 5W30, but not the Auto-Trac fluid.
My late '07 manual is different than yours, I guess.
Says my TC is an 'automatic' and requires Auto-Trac fluid.
 
Do you have a button on your dash that says "Auto" or "Automatic", or are your choices just 2WD, 4HI and 4LO? It can't be automatic unless it will automatically shift into 4WD on its own when needed. If you select it it is manual. I have never seen one, nor heard of anyone else with one in anything but the light duty pickups.
 
By the way, I run ATF in my T/C because I check it all the time.
So what do you run Mike? TranSynd or some other brand?
Thanks,
Todd
 
Hey, I finally figured out what you guys are talking about! The Cherokee I had at work had a lever on the floor to shift into 4 WD. Positions included 2H, N, 4H, 4L, it was a manual TC. The Ford Exploder they replaced it with had buttons on the dash for 2H, 4H, 4L and Auto - it was an Automatic TC! I don't remember if it had a Neutral button. My GMC must have an electrically shifted manual TC because it doesn't have an AUTO button. Now if I drain the fluid and it comes out blue - I'll slit my wrists! Maybe I ought to just take it to the dealer and swill their "free" coffee while they change it out. Does it have to be this complicated?

PS: That Cherokee was twice the wheeler the Exploder was.
 
Sir: Thanks. Great write up. Wish I had known this a couple of days ago. Just changed mine over to synthetic motor oil Mobil 5-30. Will be changing back as soon as I get a chance. Thanks again for the informative info....
 
My 1500's had the Auto transfer case. I kind of miss it as it didn't have the 4 wheel drive steering kickback.

Unless your truck has Auto on the transfer case buttons, I wouldn't use the blue stuff.
 
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