[07HDClassic]

I talked with Chad at Cognito on friday and here is a summary of what he had said.

The first thing out of his mouth was "do you have Moog arms on you truck?" I guess that they have had this same problem with mainly Moog arms. I sent him pictures of what had happened (the pics that I posted here) and he said that it looks like I had the braces installed correctly and it is not likely a problem with the braces. I asked about the recommendations about worn parts:

"If the worn parts have approximately 40,000 miles or less on them with a close to stock size tire, they probably will not have to be changed. If the worn parts have approximately 20,000 miles or less on them with larger than 33” tires, they probably will not have to be changed. If the parts have more miles than that on them, it is recommended to replace the pitman and idler arms with factory units and add the Cognito Motorsports Pitman and Idler Arm Support Kit."

His response to the recommendations was that if there was noticeable ware on either pitman or idler arm that it is advised to replace them. Mine did not show any signs of ware so I did not replace the before the install of the braces.

He asked me to send him an email with a list of things that are wrong/broken/bent and he is going to try to get me the parts needed to "get me back on the road". It sounds like that will be at a discounted price or free... but im not sure which one.

 

[mmangels22]

Good to hear, the guys at Cognito are supposed to be really good at customer service/satisfaction. I am subscribing.

 

[TwistedLogic010]

I had the cognito braces on with a SuperSteer unit from Henderson's Line Up also. I installed new moog pitman and idler arms and cognito hd tie rods at the time of the install as well. I did not install the weld in support piece tho. I tore apart the cognito braces by driving in 4x4 on the highway. Step on the accelerator and the truck veers hard left. This did this for awhile then pop. That was it. Needless to say I tossed the cognito braces and just went and got this setup (still using the Supersteer unit tho).


http://www.exaxt.ca/steering_assembly.asp

Someone talked about the above kit before on here I believe. I have had it and it works WELL. This was my last step with the truck before I have the time to put a 4-link Dana 60 up front.

 

[lilweeds]

I had the cognito braces on with a SuperSteer unit from Henderson's Line Up also. I installed new moog pitman and idler arms and cognito hd tie rods at the time of the install as well. I did not install the weld in support piece tho. I tore apart the cognito braces by driving in 4x4 on the highway. Step on the accelerator and the truck veers hard left. This did this for awhile then pop. That was it. Needless to say I tossed the cognito braces and just went and got this setup (still using the Supersteer unit tho).


http://www.exaxt.ca/steering_assembly.asp

Someone talked about the above kit before on here I believe. I have had it and it works WELL. This was my last step with the truck before I have the time to put a 4-link Dana 60 up front.

That kit looks real nice, and seems the address all the issues. What does it cost?

 

[mreeves23]

From my experiences as well, I have not had any luck with moog or any aftermarket steering components especially idler and pitman arms. I always stick with genuine GM arms. I have found the moog arms to be looser and wear much quicker than the GM. Also, heard of a few guys breaking them very similar to what you have done. I do recommend GM steering components for sure with the braces. Hopefully you get the brace and parts that you need to get that portion reinstalled!

The exaxt kit appears to be a nice kit, but as others have stated it does change the geometry of the steering system since it uses a straight centerlink.

 

[TwistedLogic010]

That kit looks real nice, and seems the address all the issues. What does it cost?

Someone sold me their unused kit for $400. I am not sure what retail is


I agree with mreeves23. The moog parts may have a lifetime warranty but yea I noticed slop and looseness after awhile.

Go genuine gm with a straight centerlink and HD tie rods along with braces and a supersteer pivot and you can't go wrong. With the mentioned parts installed new I then truly feel the cognito brace kit will work

 

[07HDClassic]

Pitman arm update

I got a reply back from Justin at Cognito about Mike and my pitman arms.

"Brandon's OEM pitman arm. If he was turning the steering wheel to the right when the stud broke loose, then the break happened in the forward to back direction which is the same direction the PISK provides support when the steering is pointed straight ahead. BUT, there are serious marks on the housing that indicate the stud was flexing severely, enough to hit the housing, which could have only happened before the PISK was added. So it appears that a stress fracture may have already been present at the time the PISK was installed.

Mike's MOOG pitman arm. If he was turning to the right when the stud broke loose, then the break happened in nearly the left side to right side direction which is not the direction that the PISK supports when the steering is pointed straight ahead. There were no marks on the housing and apparently this pitman arm was new when the PISK went on it. It appears to me that the pitman arm may have just had a flaw."

 

[Nick.V70]

Saw this posted on the other forum...did you ever happen to look at the steering box of the info I talked about on the truck I saw here? How has everything been with the parts that was sent to you?

 

[07HDClassic]

Nick,

I was waiting for this reply from Justin from Cognito before I put the new braces on... and I want to thank you again for all of your help and support through all of this! I think now, after having some time to think about the situation and after reading Justin's results, I think the braces will go braces on... my theory is that the pitman arm was just wore out.

 

[hddm3]

I would like some feed back on exact steering too.

 

[Nick.V70]

Nick,

I was waiting for this reply from Justin from Cognito before I put the new braces on... and I want to thank you again for all of your help and support through all of this! I think now, after having some time to think about the situation and after reading Justin's results, I think the braces will go braces on... my theory is that the pitman arm was just wore out.

I think Copter is coming out to the shop this weekend and we will try and get that video up on the steering box I talked about on the truck we had here before the holidays.

 

[hotdog321]

These braces are not worth it I bent 2 sets myself on passenger side just driving on the freeway the money is better spent on lifetime warrenty on parts instead also I felt no difference in steering with them on

 

[Donovan]

3 turns on the torsion bar bolts won't hurt any thing. All it does is put more force on the torsion bars resulting in raising the vehicle a slight amount and it also stiffens the ride a bit. It won't result in more wear on the steering components. What causes the wear on the steering is the larger and wider tires on lifted trucks.

The higher the static ride height the more angle of attack on the tie rods which puts more pressure on the idler and pitman arm. Braking, steering and other daily driving excersizes work harder the more angle that the tie rods push up on the centerlink. In a perfect world the tie rods would be at or near neutral so that the load would be pushing the centerlink stright in and not "rolling" it up. The same goes for the CVs. IIRC any more than 15-20 degrees is where the problems start.

 

[Donovan]

I agree with the sentiment that the Moog arms are bad and may have contributed to the issue. If that is a moog pitman i am not surprised at all. The last Moog pitman arm I ran on my truck kept loosening up on the steering box spline. Eventually the splined shaft extended past the arm and i junked it. A local shop also experienced the same problem from what they told me. Also the Mood idler and pitman use course threads on the shaft unlike the factory parts which IMHO is another weakness.

I have bent my idler brace in the past. My 4lb mallet corrected the problem though. In fairness, I also bent two super diesel centerlinks, the factory idler brackets, and a stock centerlink as well..... Perhaps using a stronger alloy like chromoly would make them a bit stronger?

 

[Donovan]

I think Copter is coming out to the shop this weekend and we will try and get that video up on the steering box I talked about on the truck we had here before the holidays.

This sounds interesting. Is this an aftermarket steering box?

 

[Nick.V70]

This sounds interesting. Is this an aftermarket steering box?

It was stock, high mileage....

 

[ericw13]

i have broke my pitman arm just like the OP did. It was a GM pitman arm with approx 20k miles on it. i was running 315/75R16 tires on 16x10" wheels. i was going slow and making a right turn when it snapped. i stopped short of hitting a power pole but i did have traffic blocked for a few minutes until i could get by truck backed up and to the side of the road. I DID NOT have these braces then. Upon inspection i found cracks in the bolt that goes through the center link. (dye checked them) Like everything else these will and do have a certain number of failures. If i had the stock tires and wheels then this might not have happened but it did.

On this truck i have installed the cognito braces, new moog idler and pitman arms, idler support and weld in bracket, cognito HD tie rods and all has been good. I am very happy with these products and will continue to use them.

OP i hate it happened to ya but it could be worse. I was thinking the same thing and cussing the General for piece of crap parts but then i was thinking that i could have been going down an on ramp when it broke at 70 and shot me clean across the highway. Just thank God for your blessing and enjoy you truck

 

[wfocattle]

I was looking at buying the level kit from cognito for 2009 3500. Are the problems that you guys are having from level kits or because you have lifted trucks. I dont want to buy something that is going to give me headaches later.

 

[richard cheese]

from being lifted and larger than stock tires

 

[Nick.V70]

I was looking at buying the level kit from cognito for 2009 3500. Are the problems that you guys are having from level kits or because you have lifted trucks. I dont want to buy something that is going to give me headaches later.

Read a responce from what was sent to the poster:

I got a reply back from Justin at Cognito about Mike and my pitman arms.

"Brandon's OEM pitman arm. If he was turning the steering wheel to the right when the stud broke loose, then the break happened in the forward to back direction which is the same direction the PISK provides support when the steering is pointed straight ahead. BUT, there are serious marks on the housing that indicate the stud was flexing severely, enough to hit the housing, which could have only happened before the PISK was added. So it appears that a stress fracture may have already been present at the time the PISK was installed.

Mike's MOOG pitman arm. If he was turning to the right when the stud broke loose, then the break happened in nearly the left side to right side direction which is not the direction that the PISK supports when the steering is pointed straight ahead. There were no marks on the housing and apparently this pitman arm was new when the PISK went on it. It appears to me that the pitman arm may have just had a flaw."

It is coming down to the pitman arm failing. There was 2 trucks that ended up having pitman arms brake and there was not reason or complete direction of what caused it. We have been using these Cognito braces let alone many members have them and after about 4 years of myself being on this site and selling these upgraded Cognito Braces these are the first that I can recall seeing happen. I have seen the pitman arms fail with out the Cognito Braces so it could happen but I don't feel or see it being a direct reflection to the product rather the arm failing even still with the product in use. I would have 100% confidence in the upgrade.