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Crank no start help please.

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#1 · (Edited)
Going to explain in detail to what I did the best I can. I'm no mechanic but can take things apart and put it back together so that's a plus right?

Have a 2001 Chevy 2500HD with a LB7 6.6 Motor. The motor that was in the truck had a bad head gasket and an extreme amount of blow by. So I bought a used motor. Guy got it from somebody who was rear ended and the truck was totaled. He told him that it had some haze and would more than likely need new injectors. He sold it to me because he decided to go a different route with his project truck.

I get this motor and take injectors from my old motor as they had 5000 miles on them. I took them got them cleaned and tested. 2 were bad so I got 2 new ones. I put them in along with new injector fuel lines. Torqued everything to spec when installing them. I put new motor in (Just the motor, no radiator, rad support, turbo cooler, etc. Almost entire front clip is still not on to make sure engine will fire.) go to fire it and immediately had to stop as a lot of smoke came from the engine bay. Found out to have a bad glow plug so I changed one from the old motor. Went to crank again no smoke, but here's the fun part. Truck just cranks and cranks doesn't fire.

I have a lift pump and its getting great fuel to the shrader port next to alternator. Somebody mentioned CP3 pump, so I took it off the old motor and put it on. Still cranks. I bled the fuel lines multiple times. I hooked up scanner and found a few codes.
P1345 CKP/CMP Correlation Problem
P0335 CKP Sensor "A" Circuit Problem
U1000 Class 2 Data Link Malfunction

I changed Crank sensor then get the following codes.

P0335B Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit
U1000 Class 2 Data Link Malfunction

Scanner is not showing any RPM's when cranking (Not exactly sure if it is supposed to since the engine isn't running)

I changed the wire harness from the working motor to the other motor and still had the same codes.
I changed the Cam sensor after the code stayed on and after the wire harness. I did not have a scanner at this time to check codes again. Working on getting somebody to come out.
All fuses in engine bay and driver side door are good.

With the crankshaft position sensor circuit and not seeing RPM's cause the Fuel Pressure Regulator from working to make it not build fuel pressure?
What is the best way to test and fix the Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit code?

I have already started to look at wires in the wire harness under the junction block found a few wires that appeared to have had a slice. Not sure how that is possible but they are fixed now.

I'm seriously running out of ideas its been a month of trying to get this thing going.

Thanks for reading and hope to get some assistance as this truck is outside and its now getting cold to work on it.
 
#3 ·
I also want to add I have a Diablo tuner that came with the truck. It was able to read all codes, clear all codes, and view some live data. Now it will not allow me to says cannot read/clear codes and will say cannot view live data. Snapon, mac, and a cheap 50 dollar code reader from walmart can still read and clear codes(All of which are friends who help when they get a moment)
 
#4 ·
I'll have a look further when I get some time, but it sounds like the ECM can't talk to the CKP, and you have a module (ECM, TCM, BCM etc) that is being missed.


No, if the ECM can't figure out where the CK is, it will not inject fuel. That would be bad. Berry berry bad.

Keep in mind that just because you replaced the CKP doesn't meant 1. That the new sensor works or 2. That the ECM can talk to it. Test...


I'm assuming P0335'B' was a typo?

If the ECM is not working, or connected correctly, that could be why you could now not be able to erase codes. But it might just have lost its stuff. Hard to say. I would definitely check the plugs for corrosion, and verify that all the grounds are good. I can't tell you how many times guys have swapped an engine and forgot one, and the truck totally goes haywire.

Thank you for your detailed write-up. It makes it worth spending the time to try and help you sort it out :)
 
#5 ·
I'll have a look further when I get some time, but it sounds like the ECM can't talk to the CKP, and you have a module (ECM, TCM, BCM etc) that is being missed.


No, if the ECM can't figure out where the CK is, it will not inject fuel. That would be bad. Berry berry bad.

Keep in mind that just because you replaced the CKP doesn't meant 1. That the new sensor works or 2. That the ECM can talk to it. Test...


I'm assuming P0335'B' was a typo?

If the ECM is not working, or connected correctly, that could be why you could now not be able to erase codes. But it might just have lost its stuff. Hard to say. I would definitely check the plugs for corrosion, and verify that all the grounds are good. I can't tell you how many times guys have swapped an engine and forgot one, and the truck totally goes haywire.

Thank you for your detailed write-up. It makes it worth spending the time to try and help you sort it out :)
I can erase the codes using a snapon scanner or a mac scanner no problems just the diablo tuner scanner thing will not work anymore. And this is a picture of the code when I had the scanner. Ill look into the test tomorrow after work.
 
#8 ·
Cool. Must be a Mac thing. I wouldn't know, I'm just a home gamer :)
Same man 😂
Checked the ground and they all appear to be good. Also had a wire tester and everything was reading normal I believe.

I still have not been able to get someone with a scanner to come back so I’m going to get some tuner that is capable or viewing codes and live data hopefully by the end of the year. They are a little pricey.
 
#10 ·
Would this mean I have a bad CP3?
No. But why did you do that? Hey, at least you know you've got fuel to the CP3!

Your truck is throwing codes because It can't figure out where the CKP is. If it doesn't know where it is, it can't time the fuel injection, so it won't inject fuel. You'll have bypassing fuel at the CP3 via the cascade and overflow valve for sure. You have to fix that sensor issue. I know you've checked, but you have shorts or opens somewhere. You must. You probably have at least 2 shorts. That's why one of the modules isn't reporting in like it's supposed to and you're getting a P1000. Test the wire...

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CONDITIONS FOR RUNNING THE DTC

P0335
- The engine is cranking or running.
- The camshaft position (CMP) sensor signal is present.
- DTC P0335 runs continuously when the above conditions are met.

P0336
- The engine is cranking or running.
- DTC P0336 runs continuously when the above condition is met.

CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC

P0335
The ECM determines no signal from the CKP sensor for less than 8 seconds.

P0336
The ECM determines that the CKP sensor signal is out of range for less than 2 seconds.

ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS
- The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) when the diagnostic runs and fails.
- The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Freeze Frame/Failure Records.

CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC
- The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
- A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
- Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.

DIAGNOSTIC AIDS
- An intermittent CKP sensor signal may cause DTC P0336 to set. Wiggle the wiring harness with the engine running and observe the CKP Sensor Pulses Missed parameter on the scan tool. If the parameter indicates anything other than 0, there is an intermittent condition.
- Inspect for insufficient fuel.

CIRCUIT/SYSTEM VERIFICATION
- If DTCs P0642 or P0643 are set, diagnose those DTCs first.
- The engine starts and runs.
- Engine running, observe the DTC information with a scan tool. DTCs P0335 or P0336 should not set.
- Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame Records data.

CIRCUIT/SYSTEM TESTING
1. With the key ON and the CKP sensor disconnected, measure the voltage between the 5-Volt reference and a good ground and observe that the DMM measures 4.98-5.02 volts.
- If the DMM does not measure 4.98-5.02 volts, test the 5-Volt reference for an open or high resistance. If the circuits test normal, replace the control module.
2. With the key ON and the CKP sensor disconnected, measure the voltage between the 5-Volt reference circuit and the low reference circuit, and observe that the DMM measures 4.98-5.02 volts.
- If the DMM does not measure 4.98-5.02 volts, test the low reference for an open or high resistance. If the circuits test normal, replace the control module.
3. With the key ON and the CKP sensor disconnected, connect a fused jumper wire to the signal circuit and momentarily and repeatedly probe the low reference circuit, and observe that the Crank Signal Present and engine RPM parameters change.
- If the crank signal parameter and engine RPM does not change, test the signal circuit for an open, high resistance, a short to ground, a short to voltage. If the circuits test normal, replace the control module.
4. Ensure that the CKP sensor circuits are not routed too closely to the fuel injector wiring, after-market add-on electrical equipment, solenoids, relays, or motors.
5. Inspect the CKP sensor for physical damage, loose or improper installation, excessive air gap, or foreign material passing between the sensor and the reluctor wheel.
6. Inspect the CKP reluctor wheel for physical damage, improper installation, or excessive endplay or looseness.
7. If no other condition is found, replace the CKP sensor.
 

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#13 ·
Thank you so much for letting us know what you found. There's nothing more devious than getting a brand new part that doesn't work because you just naturally assume it's a good part. Such a pain in the neck. Glad you got it running!