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I was watching MotorTrend mag. about the 07 Toyota full size truck and they said something about Toyota coming out with a full size diesel truck and I found this site about it !:eek:

Toyota Thinks Big: Full-Size Diesel and Hybrid Coming to States in '09

Date posted: 01-05-2006
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TOKYO — Toyota is secretly planning a big diesel pickup truck for the U.S. market and will add a hybrid as well, according to a report in Tokyo.

In a move to counter soaring energy prices and stifle accusations of building gas guzzlers, Toyota is going eco-friendly with the next Tundra. Sort of.

In the works is a new big-block diesel V8, an engine Toyota plans to drop into the new Tundra and build at the rate of 70,000 units per year out of its new greenfield TMMTX plant in San Antonio, Texas, that opens this year. However, the diesel is apparently still three years away.

To ramp up the pickup's eco image, a new high-efficiency V8 and a gas-electric hybrid are also reportedly in the works. The diesel will be Toyota's first such unit in the United States and comes at a time when Nissan is also actively looking at building a diesel Titan.

What this means to you: Toyota's golden these days in the United States, thanks to the sophisticated super-green image of the Prius. Can it work now the same kind of magic with the Tundra? Give it marks for trying, anyway.
 

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Can't say I'm surprised. Toyota has been putting diesels in their small trucks outside North America for a long time. It isn't as big of a leap for them as some people think.
 

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Toyotas have always been awesome trucks, very dependable and seem to run forever. If they release a diesel i think the BIG 3 better watch out!!
 

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if toyota made diesels when i bought my duramax i would have gone with them. toyota's are just more reliable and their custumer service is great. the hilux is the name of their diesel truck, looks like a tacoma with a 4runner front end.
 

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Statistical data does not support your theory that Japanese cars/trucks over 5000lb are more reliable than their American counterparts. Their SUV's are showing a lower reliability index than similiar sized American vehicles.

And guess what? It's not even true for the under 5000lb vehicles anymore.

Perhaps Toyota will break the mold and their big SUV's track record is just an hiccup. But don't count on it. Not a real big surprise, but subcompacts are more reliable as a class than SUV's. A Camry is not a 9200 GVW truck, and it's not significantly more reliable than it's competition anymore.

The Titan is showing a poor track record, and it's a 1/2 ton.
 

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The HiLux diesel was what, 75HP?
 

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Oppss!! My bad, 59HP diesel was the last diesel Hilux in for the US market.

It's not that they lasted forever, it just felt like it. ;)
 

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I can vouch from first hand experience that Toyota is capable of building a truly tough small diesel pickup. Spent a couple of summers working at an undergound mine in North-western BC and all of the pickups used underground were landcruiser diesels. Let's just say it's about as severe of use a crew truck or welding truck could ever expect to see.
 

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Our latest Toyota Hilux diesels (sold downunder) are a 3 litre 4cyl common rail injection 126 KW (170HP) 343Nm (253 lb ft)
 

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Yes, but that is a far cry from a driveline that will absorb 650+ ftlb of torque at 20,000lb day in and day out. We routinely run over twice that torque with little or no problems, unless you do alot of donuts and burnouts with the G80 option.

Titans are blowing up the rears if they sustain 380ftb for extended periods, while it's a Nissan, it perhaps is a good barometer.

I'm certainly not saying Toyota makes an inferior product. But everyone is making the natural assumption that heavy pickup is a light pickup that weighs more, so Toyota's will be invincible. That remains to be seen. Japanese companies have never shyed away from competition, but their limited success in the 3/4-1t truck market is not for a lack of trying. Remember Toyota's 3/4t and 1t mini-trucks? Companies bought them to replace full sized HD pickups by putting flatbeds on them. They did not hold up, and for the most part vanished.

So far the Titan (first true full sized import) is getting better marks from the magazines than the owners. They advertised it with a 9200lb tow capacity, but it is strained past it's limit at that point. American trucks tend to rate payloads for worst case, imports tend to rate them at best case. Everyone has probably put 2000lb in a Japanese "1/2 ton" pickup and has seen how dangerous it is. Nobody bats an eye putting that much weight in an American 1/2 ton truck, and the same is true for towing.

Take a look at the specs, prices, and reviews of Toyota's existing 1/2 ton truck, the Tundra. It has less power, gets worse mileage, less tow capacity, and is priced the same as Chevy, Ford, and Dodge. It does have a higher "claimed" payload, but that is perhaps wishful thinking. Reviews are not that good by owners, and reliability is no better than American trucks, even though it weighs less and has a less powerful V8.

But everyone assumes that when Toyota releases a heavy diesel, history is erased, and they will fire everyone in the truck department and hire NASA engineers to staff the place. Why they don't think it will be similiar to their other "large truck" efforts is beyond me. I've driven a Toyota, and it's OK, but I do not understand what is spectacular about them.
 

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I thought the toyota diesel was coming like 4 years ago :rolleyes:
 

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Mcrat is totally right, i was basing my opinion off the early to mid 80s solid axle pickups, i dont care what anyone says they are probably the toughest mini trucks out there. But still a very far cry from a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel. They should just put a CAT in them with an allison and AAM axles and call it a day LOL.
 

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I heard Toyota owns Cummins.:p: I know Ford wishes they did.
 

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We have had diesel Toyota's here for many years. All 4 or 6 cyl. Underpowered especially when towing heavy. They will introduce a 4.4 liter V8twin turbo diesel sometime in 2007. Around 295HP and 427 lb-ft torque.
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Unless Toyota puts in a diesel that is around 300 HP and around 600 ft lbs torque, it will be just that...a diesel pickup...nothing more ...nothing less. NOT a serious contender. It would have to get 25 to 30 mpg and be able to pull a 10000 pound trailer up mountains at the speed limit to be a contender!!! I dont see it happening! Dont forget the US market is unique. Basically, our (the North American) full size pickups are really medium duty trucks anywhere else in the world! IMHO
 

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I don't think Toyota is capable of producing a full size deisel that has good torque and weighs enough to controll a heavy trailor. The big three have been evolving for years to get where they are today all three offer a truck that can rip the tounge off a trailor and also stop one quickly. I can't imagine Toyota making anything that I would be comfortable towing 20,000 lbs down a 6% grade. Thats a heckofa place to realize you should bought a Chevy,Ford or even a Dodge.
 

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Well it gonna be interesting to see what comes from toyota i sure its not gonna be a HD truck that we are all used to. But if its a half ton it will be great since then the Big 2 and that German Company will have to get their Light Duty Diesels to market to not loose the share. I think more guys are scared that toyota gonna come out with a HD Diesel Truck Cause there is that chance that it might just go straight to the top and be great. The worst thing that happens is that it makes the other guys get with the program and makes us somthing thats really all new and improved since none of them had came out with somthing thats just blowin the competition out of the water
 

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McRat;1536056; said:
Statistical data does not support your theory that Japanese cars/trucks over 5000lb are more reliable than their American counterparts. Their SUV's are showing a lower reliability index than similiar sized American vehicles.

And guess what? It's not even true for the under 5000lb vehicles anymore.

Perhaps Toyota will break the mold and their big SUV's track record is just an hiccup. But don't count on it. Not a real big surprise, but subcompacts are more reliable as a class than SUV's. A Camry is not a 9200 GVW truck, and it's not significantly more reliable than it's competition anymore.

The Titan is showing a poor track record, and it's a 1/2 ton.
The unfortunate thing is that their downward trend in reliablility statistics co-incide with their production in the US. Doesn't look too good on us when we start building vehicles for the Japs, then their reliability and quality numbers go down.:(
 

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McRat;1536070; said:
Oppss!! My bad, 59HP diesel was the last diesel Hilux in for the US market.

It's not that they lasted forever, it just felt like it. ;)

That's because the trip from 0-60 mph was over 20 seconds long:eek:


'My Hilux is faster than your Trabant'


I agree with Pat. In order for the Japanese to make something worthy of our attention, 350BHP/700TQ will be the minimum buy in if you want to be a player in the 2009 diesel truck market.

You will also need a GCVWR of 22,000 lbs or better (not just BS Payload ratings) a 6 speed automatic/7 speed manual to even be in the running.

Toyota makes a reliable product, just not in the size and capabilities we need.

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Great thread. I have to agree with much of what has been said. Toyotas in general are good vehicles but the gap has closed significantly with the American automakers. In some vehicle categories, some would argue it has closed completely. An example is my wife's 06 Sequioa. Nice vehicle, but it's been in the shop once already and it just got recalled for a ball joint issue. Point is, never buy out of blind loyalty. I wanted a Tahoe but was nervous about buying the first model year.

Keep in mind the new Toyota Tundra is NOT a hit yet. Sure, it looks good on paper and will likely deliver on its promises, BUT it hasn't proven itself yet. Remember the T100? If the new Tundra does indeed prove itself, great, but it will have taken Toyota 3 tries to get it right. I would imagine it would be similar with a HD diesel. Highly unlikely they would get it right the first time.

I have to echo the comments on the Titan. Loved by magazines but has brake and rear end issues. My neighbor just traded his 05 Titan in on a Dodge Megacab after needing a new rearend after 18,000 miles towing just below the maz tow capacity.
 
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