[mr928]

Has anyone else noticed the decrease in towing capacity for the 2500HD? It appears to have gone from 16,100 to 15,800. I have a 16k 5th wheel and have been waiting to order a new 2500HD Duramax but I have some doubts. I guess I could always do the 3500 SRW but I wanted the short bed which is not available in the 3500. Any thoughts?

 

[OldSoldier]

If you have a 16k 5er, you need a dually. Towing is not the problem, the 3/4 or the one ton srw cannot handle the pin weight of a trailer that heavy. PW needs to be between 15% and 25% of the weight of the trailer. Most of us run our trailers at close to gross weight...for your trailer, that's 2400 to 4000 in PW only. When you add hitch weight, passengers, cargo, tools, etc, anything but a dually will be well over.

 

[mr928]

If you have a 16k 5er, you need a dually. Towing is not the problem, the 3/4 or the one ton srw cannot handle the pin weight of a trailer that heavy. PW needs to be between 15% and 25% of the weight of the trailer. Most of us run our trailers at close to gross weight...for your trailer, that's 2400 to 4000 in PW only. When you add hitch weight, passengers, cargo, tools, etc, anything but a dually will be well over.

Thanks but the weight of 16k is fully loaded so I thought if I kept my pin weight down to 2500-3000 I'd be OK. The GMC web site claims payloads to 3,892. What am I figuring wrong?

 

[aketay]

Trucks must be 300lbs heavier with emissions. You could run the setup you are talking about but a dually would probably be better suited for you. If you read around, some people (me included) run over the GVWR on a regular basis.

 

[moosecountry]

Thanks but the weight of 16k is fully loaded so I thought if I kept my pin weight down to 2500-3000 I'd be OK. The GMC web site claims payloads to 3,892. What am I figuring wrong?

The GVWR is 9200 pounds on the 2500HD. I have an '06 2500HD cc D/A 4x4 that weights right about 7200 with me and a full tank of fuel. That only leaves an available payload of 2000 pounds. They usually give the available payload for a completely stripped out base model with a gasser and manual tranny. You have to weigh yours and subtract it from the GVWR to get your actual available payload.

Tim

 

[malibu795]

The GVWR is 9200 pounds on the 2500HD. I have an '06 2500HD cc D/A 4x4 that weights right about 7200 with me and a full tank of fuel. That only leaves an available payload of 2000 pounds. They usually give the available payload for a completely stripped out base model with a gasser and manual tranny. You have to weigh yours and subtract it from the GVWR to get your actual available payload.

Tim

better yet have each axle wieghed then you know how to set the truck up. the rear axle can handle the weight. though you are pushing the springs and stock tires to the limit around 6000 pounds total.
15% 0f 16k is 2400, 25% is 4000 alot has to do with how you load your trailer. ie you liguid tanks combined is roughly 200 gallon at 8 pound a gallon is 1600 pounds. that is usuually split between the pin and tires....... just little thing like that can change the load of the trailer.

just HMO

 

[OldSoldier]

Thanks but the weight of 16k is fully loaded so I thought if I kept my pin weight down to 2500-3000 I'd be OK. The GMC web site claims payloads to 3,892. What am I figuring wrong?

The weights I posted are for 15% to 25% of your trailer loaded.

As for 3892, that's more of GM's numbers that are totally misleading. That capacity is for a 6.0L gasser, add the D/A and normal options and you can take 1500 lbs off that capacity. The gasser's GCWR is 16000, the D/A's GCWR is 22000.

So the bottom line is the gasser can take the pin weight, but can't tow anything...the D/A can't take the pin weight buy can tow your house. Go figure.

BTW, do not believe any figures you get in a brochure, on line, on GM's web site or anyplace else. To find the actual cargo capacity of a truck, look on tire and loading sticker on the rear door (or pillar) driver's side. On that sticker it will say..." the maximum weight of the cargo and personnel is___pounds." That's it.

 

[malibu795]

The weights I posted are for 15% to 25% of your trailer loaded.

As for 3892, that's more of GM's numbers that are totally misleading. That capacity is for a 6.0L gasser, add the D/A and normal options and you can take 1500 lbs off that capacity. The gasser's GCWR is 16000, the D/A's GCWR is 22000.

So the bottom line is the gasser can take the pin weight, but can't tow anything...the D/A can't take the pin weight buy can tow your house. Go figure.

BTW, do not believe any figures you get in a brochure, on line, on GM's web site or anyplace else. To find the actual cargo capacity of a truck, look on tire and loading sticker on the rear door (or pillar) driver's side. On that sticker it will say..." the maximum weight of the cargo and personnel is___pounds." That's it.

with out me in my truck it wieghs 6800 (3900/2900) with a full tank that leaves me 16,870 to play with. with a family of four you might get 500-600 pounds of people in the truck and most of the gear will be in the fiver. is it duable yes but you are pushing the limits of the tires and springs on the rear axle.

 

[davey1028]

I pull 15k cargo on top of the 8.5k trailer weight with no problems. I can adjust my cargo though, for proper pin weight. It is usually seat of the pants for me. I have a 3/4 ton with no air bags, although I probably will get them one of these days. Truck is surprisingly level when loaded. Just have a good controller for brakes. "Prodigy". Saved my a** a few times.

 

[mr928]

Thanks for all the input. It has given me more to think about. I'm sure by going to a 3500 dually all my towing issues would be solved but I don't want to drive a dually around town 90% of the time. Decisions, decisions.

 

[moosecountry]

How about the 3500 single rear wheel?

Had a higher GVWR than the 2500HD.

Tim

 

[malibu795]

How about the 3500 single rear wheel?

Had a higher GVWR than the 2500HD.

Tim

3500srw gvw is 9900. you go by the sticker it acutally hold less than the 2500hd.... go figure

 

[moosecountry]

3500srw gvw is 9900. you go by the sticker it acutally hold less than the 2500hd.... go figure

Can you elaborate a little on that? Do you mean that the 3500 SRW weights more than 700 more than the 2500HD same configuration and therefore will legally haul less? If so interesting, then what would be the point of 3500 SRW??

Thanks Tim.

 

[malibu795]

Can you elaborate a little on that? Do you mean that the 3500 SRW weights more than 700 more than the 2500HD same configuration and therefore will legally haul less? If so interesting, then what would be the point of 3500 SRW??

Thanks Tim.

when i did this in 04 my statment was correct the 2500hd could hold more than the 3500srw. it now looks like gm got the numbers right now. it wasnt when i did the foot work. as i said earier when i did the foot work the 2500hd could sticker wise haul 300 pound more than a 3500srw when comparing the curb weight of each and the gvw of each.

according to the "sticker" from gm 07 the 3500 weigh about 200-300 pounds more than the 2500hd with the same bodystyle

for the example i will use a cc/lb 4x4 setup in both the 2500hd and
on both truck the front axle has the same 4800lb rating
3500srw
gvw is 9900
curb weight is 6322pounds
payload 3578
rear spring cap 6500lb
rear axle cap is 92000

2500hd
gvw 9200
curb weight is 6037
payload is 3163lb
rear spring 6084
rear axle cap is 6800

some thing to remeber the axle on the 2500hd and 3500srw/drw is the same all are 1150 AAM axles, with the diesel option. aam rate their axle at 4950kg iirc is just shy of 11,500 pounds capacity

know i look like a butt cause gm fixed their info

 

[moosecountry]

Thanks for the information on the 2500HD vs 3500 srw. Why can't GM up their GVWR a bit like ford has done (11400 on the shortbed 11500 on the longbed F350 srw). Even the F250 has a 10000 GVWR, what gives???

Tim

 

[malibu795]

Thanks for the information on the 2500HD vs 3500 srw. Why can't GM up their GVWR a bit like ford has done (11400 on the shortbed 11500 on the longbed F350 srw). Even the F250 has a 10000 GVWR, what gives???

Tim

technically if you wanted to get the DOT to allow you you can get it the gvw changed. the stock 2500hd can handle 10,884lb. this would be sprung weight. i woudl say 1800lb would be the unsprung weight on either truck
a 3500srw can handle 11300 sprung weight

dodge is the same way as ford

 

[OldSoldier]

Thanks for the information on the 2500HD vs 3500 srw. Why can't GM up their GVWR a bit like ford has done (11400 on the shortbed 11500 on the longbed F350 srw). Even the F250 has a 10000 GVWR, what gives???

Tim

Ford 3/4s weigh about 700 more than the D/A so the GVWR increase does not give you any more capacity. Some information you have received is not really good for use as examples. You need to find the actual carrying capcity of each truck in which you are interested. Do not use the internet, GM web site or anything similar...they are NOT accurate.
If you want to determine the actual cargo capacity for a specific truck, look at the sticker that is located on the pillar between the front and rear doors on the driver's side. It's called "Tire and Loading Information." It has all the data on the OEM tires as well as a section that says "The combined weight of cargo and personnel should never exceed____pounds." That figure is the cargo capacity for that truck. That's all you can put in the truck and remain within GVWR.

 

[moosecountry]

Ford 3/4s weigh about 700 more than the D/A so the GVWR increase does not give you any more capacity. Some information you have received is not really good for use as examples. You need to find the actual carrying capcity of each truck in which you are interested. Do not use the internet, GM web site or anything similar...they are NOT accurate.
If you want to determine the actual cargo capacity for a specific truck, look at the sticker that is located on the pillar between the front and rear doors on the driver's side. It's called "Tire and Loading Information." It has all the data on the OEM tires as well as a section that says "The combined weight of cargo and personnel should never exceed____pounds." That figure is the cargo capacity for that truck. That's all you can put in the truck and remain within GVWR.

I owned an F250 4x4 cc sb powerstroke/auto and it only weighed 300 pounds more than my current truck '06 2500HD cc sb d/a. The Chevy weighs 7000 +/- leaving 2200 carrying capacity. The Ford weighed 7300 +/- leaving 2700 carrying capacity. So yeah...it does make a difference. The difference between the 3/4 tons GVWR is 800 pounds, but for the 1 ton srw it is 1600 pounds. Comparing 1 tons (Chevy vs. Ford) I HIGHLY doubt the Ford weighs 1600 pounds more. I am guessing more like 500 more so that gives it an 1100 pound higher carrying capacity.

One more thing. I just checked my tag inside the door and it says no more than 2390. I know that my truck weighs 7000 without me. So if you add the two together that is 9390 (190 over my actual GVWR)


Tim

 

[OldSoldier]

I looked at many 06 trucks on the lots when shopping. The biggest 250 psd, cc 4x4 I saw had a GVWR of 10000 and a cargo capacity of 2507. A similar 2500 D/A cc 4x4 had a GVWR of 9200 and a cargo capacity of 2400. That's where I got my numbers...Ford had 100 more capacity and was 800 heavier.

 

[DuneMe]

Do some searching on the RV.Net website.

There are a lot of "Weight Police" out there.