[06DMAX00CAMSS]

I currently have a set of CST 4" lift spindles in the front with my torsion bars cranked 1". The spindles merely relocate the center/hub portion of the spindle, so it does NOT change the ride quality. In doing this, an aftermarket shock isn't required. However, they're still recommended for improved ride quality. Anyhow, I was just browsing through suspension parts and ran into the links below. I didn't realize the front system had flaws in the design. Now is what is described in the link below false and just for selling purposes or is it true and I should consider buying them? They also offer pitman and idler arm support kit. Is this something I need for the type of lift I have? What about the idler pivot assembly? Last but not least, does anyone make a 5100 series Bilstein for the front that are 2" longer? From what I read, this is what I need to go with to have the correct travel for the front AND match the 5100s that I have in the back. Thank you so much!

By the way, keep in mind, this is a 2WD. Are these modifications even needed on my application?

http://cognitomotorsports.com/store/page7.html

http://cognitomotorsports.com/store/page12.html

http://cognitomotorsports.com/store/page11.html

By the way, I saw somewhere that CST offered these as well, but couldn't find them on their site. So my question applies to the CST upper a-arms/control arm kit. Thanks.

 

[Nick.V70]

Try looking at these as well:

http://norcaltruck.com/cognito-2-3.html - same as Cognito's but I added pic's to go with words and some other pic's.


http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122408&page=8
- More pic's


Nor-Cal Nick

The steering parts for sure are worth it.


Nor-Cal Nick

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

I have 35s, in the link you posted, the pitman and idler support kit is only recommended for applications with 33" tires max.

Also, I'm not looking to lift my truck anymore, I was under the impression that the CST and Cognito upper control arms allowed the suspension to travel correctly.

 

[Nick.V70]

No the Pit & Idler work well with all tire sizes.

The a-arm level kit specs out a perfect fit tire size. If you have 35" now then you will still fit them but the arm will offer more drop out travel for a better ride.


Nor-Cal Nick

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

My original question about the CST or Cognito upper control arms themselves, not the entire leveling kit. I merely want correct the suspension, not change the height at all. I'm happy with my lift. I have CST 4" lift spindles in the front with the torsion bars cranked 1", then 3" blocks in the rear which I may consider going another inch in the rear, but haven't decided how just yet.

 

[Nick.V70]

The arm doesn't give you lift, it allows you to turn your bars up and still have correct drop out travel so you don't loose ride. The UCA's are sold by them selfs. Sorry if you looked on my store/site, we are working on it right now so not all is right ....sorry.



Nor-Cal Nick

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

Oh ok, I understand. Do they help with the angles and stuff? I've read that even when untouched, they're not that great, then when you start to crank up the torsion bars, they get worse. I only turned them full 3 turns which was an inch on my truck.

Do the CST upper control arms do the same thing?

 

[Nick.V70]

I've never used them for this reason....other than keeping the same name the Cognito UCA's are cheaper than the CST's. The CST's use a Uni ball that has a higher cost. They use this Uni ball to make the UCA stronger because they make a UCA drop kit that has more pre-load to the UCA. Cognito's kit is a Spindle kit that decreases pre-load to the UCA so they use a ball joint that keeps cost down. Also the Cognitos kit is sold for this reason so I woould stay with theres to make sure you don't run into any problems.


Nor-Cal Nick

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

I've read and have been told that I need a standard length Bilstein for the front. A longer shock isn't needed. However, if I upgrade to the Cognito upper control arms which allow for more/correct travel, will I then need longer than stock Bilsteins?

Are the Bilstein 5100s you sell zink plated or blue and yellow? I need the zink plated to match my rears. Thanks.

 

[Nick.V70]

I got you coverd....the 5100's are Zink and yes more drop out travel and you need a longer shock.


Nor-Cal Truck

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

I know you want to pull your hair out...

so you have the Bilstein 5100 zinc plated shocks for the front that are longer than stock?

 

[Nick.V70]

Yeap...

I'm going bald as we speak....
Its cool, if it's not you my two little girls will do it to me...):h


Nor-Cal Nick

 

[GMC2500HD]

If you already have CST then why not stick with them???

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

GMC2500HD, I'm not sure if you read the entire thread, but I was merely asking about these upper control arms to allow the suspension to travel correctly, not to lift the truck up more. I do not want to change the height of the truck at all. I was under the impression and NorCal also confirmed that the upper control arms alone is to correct the travel.

 

[Collector]

GMC2500HD, I'm not sure if you read the entire thread, but I was merely asking about these upper control arms to allow the suspension to travel correctly, not to lift the truck up more. I do not want to change the height of the truck at all. I was under the impression and NorCal also confirmed that the upper control arms alone is to correct the travel.

I went with the Cognito upper arms to correct my geometry, the stock upper arms were bottomed out at the ball joint and destroyed them in 10K miles. Looks just right now with the cognito's. Also went with with them so I could replace the moog ball joints locally if needed. They don't sell uni-ball's and NAPA!

 

[06DMAX00CAMSS]

GMC2500HD, that's what the Cognito upper control arms by themselves do.

 

[Nick.V70]

I have not used a Fabtech UCA for these reason. I'm going to order a set in and do a conparason......
Some times you learn something new. It worth a try since all I need to do is get a RGA if they don't work..

Does anyone know what part# everyone is using from Fabtech so I don't order the wrong one???


Nor-Cal Nick

 

[GMCJOE]

If you already have CST then why not stick with them???

I would have to agree with you on that GMC2500HD. It would proabaly be better to stick with what you already have so they work in conjuction with each other.

Plus,(im just assuming)wouldnt you have possible warranty issues if you mix diffrent parts like that from different kits and different lift compaines??? Maybe not, but what do you guys think? Is it a smart move to mix parts from differnt suspension compaines or is it ok?

One thing I do like however about the CST, is the Uniball upper arm. Yeah, they cost more in the beginning, but believe you me, they are worth every single penny. Out of all the guys ive knowon running ball joint upper arms compared to uniball upper arms, they all say they would NEVER go back to ball joints. I dont blame them.

 

[Diesel-N-Dust]

CST sells an upper control arm that has bolt-in ball-joints just like the cognito ones.Fabtech does too. (you can order black) cst also sell uniballs as well.

 

[Nick.V70]

Well then get the Fab-tech arms and be done with it. Just need to have them powder coated black, since I think they still come in blue.

CST sells an upper control arm that has bolt-in ball-joints just like the cognito ones.Fabtech does too. (you can order black) cst also sell uniballs as well.

GMC2500HD & Diesel-N-Dust, help me.....

OK, So I called Fabtech and my Fabtech distributor. No luck. Both told me that the UCA only comes in the 8" kit. Does this sound right? You guys know more than me at this point . Fabtech did say you can special order UCA's but you need each part number and hardware to make the kit. Sounds like alot of work.

Well any help will be great....Keep up the great work.


Nor-Cal Nick