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<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="3713183480">I have a 2500 extra cab short bed with a Duramax. I am pulling a 5th wheel Arctic Fox that weights 11500 lbs and a pin weight of 1800 lbs. I am looking at several tank, tool box combitions. Will I be over loaded ? The truck seems to handle the trailer very well now. I would like to have atleast another 30 gal of fuel.</LABEL>


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<LABEL SessionId="3713183480">2003 Chevy 2500 with a Duramax.</LABEL>
 

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1800# pin weihgt plus hitch,yours, passenger weights brings you up close to max payload capacity. Another 30 gallons of fuel plus tool box /fuel tank combination would probaly put you way over payload capacity. Its a shame that the 25ooHD D/A's don't have a little more payload capacity. Most 5th wheels today have slide outs and you really haveto be careful on payloads. I'm in that position now and wish I had bought a 3500 dually just to get the additional payload capacity. Does tha 1800# pin weight include everything loaded in the 5th and ready to roll. Also you should weigh the trailer and be sure you have accurate weights recorded.
 

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<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="1721608680">The 11500 lbs is the weight of the trailer on the scales with most of what we use but no water. I did not want a dually as this is my daily driver and I keep the truck garaged. A dually will not go between my 9' foot garage doors. That was a big mistake 9' garage door when I built the garage I was not aware that I could get wider doors.
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Tom,

I had a similiar situation and recently bit the bullet and upgraded to the 3500. I didn't know about the SRW model and might have gone that way. You can add airbags and 265s and carry extra weight. My issue was : What if I cause an accident (never have but...), someone gets hurt and the insurance company (mine or theirs) looks at trailer weight ????????? What are the odds? Not good but.......

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Bill Gisse said:
1800# pin weihgt plus hitch,yours, passenger weights brings you up close to max payload capacity. Another 30 gallons of fuel plus tool box /fuel tank combination would probaly put you way over payload capacity. Its a shame that the 25ooHD D/A's don't have a little more payload capacity. Most 5th wheels today have slide outs and you really haveto be careful on payloads. I'm in that position now and wish I had bought a 3500 dually just to get the additional payload capacity. Does tha 1800# pin weight include everything loaded in the 5th and ready to roll. Also you should weigh the trailer and be sure you have accurate weights recorded.

I'm not for sure where these figures come from, but these are the figures off of GM's site:



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CADman_ks said:
Bill Gisse said:
1800# pin weihgt plus hitch,yours, passenger weights brings you up close to max payload capacity. Another 30 gallons of fuel plus tool box /fuel tank combination would probaly put you way over payload capacity. Its a shame that the 25ooHD D/A's don't have a little more payload capacity. Most 5th wheels today have slide outs and you really haveto be careful on payloads. I'm in that position now and wish I had bought a 3500 dually just to get the additional payload capacity. Does tha 1800# pin weight include everything loaded in the 5th and ready to roll. Also you should weigh the trailer and be sure you have accurate weights recorded.

I'm not for sure where these figures come from, but these are the figures off of GM's site:



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Ref my earlier post and a reply relative to it. My truck weighs 7020# with me, 250# and 13# dog in it. That leaves 2180# for my wife and hitch pin weight. One reply said something about seeing a larger payload rating in a chart somewhere. 37XX# payload rating sounds like the dually payload capacity. My 5th has a 1760# pin load weight empty so we have to be careful how we load the trailer and truck so as not to exceed the approx 2030# capacity I have left after my wife gets in. The new trailer with slide outs were looking at weighs close to 2300# on the pin, this is why I said a 3500 dually would have been a better choice for me. Hate to sound like a preacher but I say again, when buying a 2500HD D/A EC be careful because available hitch payload capacity diminishes fast when you add all the goodies and people.
 

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<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="2649390618">The truck with me in it weights 6700# with me in it and a tank full of diesel. It is a 2wd, wish I had got a 4wd. </LABEL>


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What's the big deal with going 500 lbs over payload? I mean figuring your 13 pound dog into the equation, give me a break!! Tom, put your toolbox fuel tank combo up against the back of your cab and you will not even be able to tell its there. As far as your truck goes you are not going to hurt it and you DO NOT need a dually, just make sure you have quality tires. There are plenty of people who double the payload and never have any problems.
 

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I know these trucks will haul a lot more weight than they are rated at by the mfgr. As far a legal problems for being over weight that depends on the jury I suppose. I have hauled over 6000lbs in my 2500 HD and it did not blow up, but I would not want to do that every day. I would add an Air Lift system however just to improve the ride and the stability however. Driving to work one morning I looked across the interstate and saw a 74 Chevy Impala with the trunk door open and a goose neck camper sticking out of the back. I about busted a gut laughing and decided any thing goes I guess and what always amazes me is these junk vehicals are always on the opposite coast from where the licence plate was made. If I tried to run that kind of junk I would not get 50 miles with my luck.
 

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DOLIVER said:
What's the big deal with going 500 lbs over payload? I mean figuring your 13 pound dog into the equation, give me a break!! Tom, put your toolbox fuel tank combo up against the back of your cab and you will not even be able to tell its there. As far as your truck goes you are not going to hurt it and you DO NOT need a dually, just make sure you have quality tires. There are plenty of people who double the payload and never have any problems.

Hmm... As someone who has to pick up the remains of folks who do less than smart things with vehicles, may I suggest that the most critical component of the recommended loads is braking capacity.


Overloaded trucks do not brake like they are supposed to, and should you wind up in an accident with today's litigious society, I think you'd have a problem. That's if you and your wife survive the wreck.


Just my two cents worth...
 

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Bill Gisse said:
... 37XX# payload rating sounds like the dually payload capacity.


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These are the numbers for the 3500: (directly from GM's site)



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Bearnc1,


A ways back when I was looking at 5th Wheels, I had the same questions that some of you do here (I too was looking at the Artic Fox brand). In one of the RV forums where I was researching trailer info, I came across a post where a person had put together his thoughts and personal experiences with regard to truck/trailer/kingpin weights. I thought it was valuable info and bookmarked it. The link is below:


http://www.klenger.net/arctic-fox/weight/index.html


While the truck in the example is a Dodge, you should be able to substitute the Chevy 2500HD numbers. It might give you some of the answers you are looking for or at least stimulate the thought process.


Have a good one,


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bear,

My 2500 weighed 7300# with a full tank and full aux tank. It didn't include me, my wife, no truck cab stuff and no king pin weight (2300#). I was not over the axle capacity or the tire capacity (though I was close). I seriously considered going to 265s. I already had air lift bags. The truck (with Juice and 4" exhaust) pulled the 13500# 5th wheel to Utah and back with NO problems. I still had to shift stuff to the back of the trailer to avoid adding wieght to the bed and overloading the tires. That was a pain in the bu##.

If I went to 265s I would be ok tire wise but I would still be over the GVWR. I think Zeeb is right. I went with the extra capacity of the 3500 and I will never have to find out if anyone can or will or might or could find me liable for anything because, at the end of the day I was over the GVWR.

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Hi Bearnc1


You say you have 9' wide doors on your garage.


That is plenty of room to fit a dually into.


I have a dually myself and 9' wide by 7'6" high doors on my garage, and I fit no problem. It's a little tight I believe the dually width is 96.1 inches but it fits.



So go out and get yourself a real truck (Dually)
oops did I say that outloud. And you wont have any more concerns about being overweight. The truck I mean.


Bye Diesel Dragon
 
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