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I just put the Bilsteins on over the weekend and today was really the first time I got to stretch her legs. I think my ride quality has gotten worse even since the first time I put the Biltsiens on.
I know I am really nuts when it comes to my ride...boarderline disorder.
But this is what is depressing me right now. I had a F**d Super Duty 7.3L. I loved it, I had a leveling kit on her and she really looked good. She looked like a truck! My wife almost killed herself in it however...it's now probably already striped down nothing. We decided to go with the GMC...the Duramax is kick A$$, the Alison trans...need not say more. The "truck" is stickered at 47,000 totally loaded, it is great except for one thing...it being a HD it looked like a wimp!
245 street tires...blackwalls mind you, and zero front end ground clearance, it looked like a SUV!
The first thing we did on the way home from the dealer was intall BFGoodrich 265s the very next day went to my buddy garage and leveled out the front end and aligned her. Now she looks like 4X4 HD "truck". I know that raising the front end will stiffen the ride..which it did...So I went with the Bilsteins...now the ride has gone from feeling bumps after the bump too feeling everthing in the road including the ants that I run over.
But the thing that is really driving me nuts is I am feeling verything from the rear axial..the front is not so bad. I feel like giving up.


Sorry to cry in everyones soup tonight, but I am feeling like crap having sunk over a grand to make my $47,000"truck" look like a HD 4X4 not a SUV going to the super market. And now not at all happy with the ride.



With that being said, the truck is probably the best looking truck I have ever owned, and the preformance is outstanding! Sorry to be such a bummer<IMG onMouseOver="this.style.cursor='hand'" onMouseOut="this.style.cursor=''" alt='Click on image to open in
 

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Nowake200 I added a set of Rancho 9 way adj. 9000x's and the ride improved greatly over the stock shocks,but that could all be in the adjustment. Thats the reason I went with the Rancho's because of the 9 way adjustment feature. just my 2 cents.Edited by: silvermax
 

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If you read my posts previously, you'll note that I've said it rides a little rougher w/ Bilsteins. BUT, it's rides BETTER. If you hadn't ridden with it stock for a while, I'm not at all surprised that you reacted the way you did. You do fee more of the little bumps, imo, BUT, a lot of the vagueness of the stock suspension is gone. Sorry you're so disappointed - I'd be upset too w/ that much $ spent and not happy.
 

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If you ride empy most of the time, try lowering the tire pressure.


The factory states 55 front and 80 rear. My truck was bouncing all over the place with these pressures.


I now run 55 in the front and 60 in the rear when empty and the truck runs great with the stock shocks.


This works for me because I run empty or light loads most of the time.
 

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I'm with silvermax -- I did the same thing, and now I can dial in my ride however I'd like.

The suggestion about the air pressure is a good one. Perhaps you can play around a little with that.
 

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I agree with the stock tire size looking small for this application, sure would like to hear from GM on that one? I'm still waiting for my new 2004 d/a (ordered on 9/31). I been all over these trucks on the dealer lots, one thing I noticed with the front end, is the clearance from the jounce/snubbers mounted on the lower A-Arms to the frame. There is not alot of clearance there I'm sure any tosion bar adjustment is going to close up that clearnace and or bottom the snubber out to the frame which will effect our ride quality. Has anyone tried to shave some of the material off the tops of the snubbers in order to prevent this premature bottoming out situation?
 

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Nowake, Im so with ya!! After spending over 40 g's on a hd and people have to ask if its 4x4 its kinda a slap in the face! So i did the same and a week later turned the torsion bars and put some 325-60r18s on. Everyone thinks that i put a lift on, and that makes my day but i sure lost that smooth ride. Im looking for any solution to make it more smooth.


That is the first i have heard about the tire pressure. Im going to try it out. As for shocks, Im not sure if i should go with bilstines or rancho? Sure wish i could ride in both.


Those that have the rs 9000s do you have your torsion bars cranked? and how much did you spend?





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It is funny you talk about tire pressure. I posted a few days ago asking what other drivers are running in their tires. I droped it down to 46psi today, helped only a little. I do not mind a stiff ride, in fact I like how the Bilsteins handle the big bumps and pot holes. I just do not want to feel every bump, crack, and expansion joint that I drive over. When I start feeling my cheeks (face, not seat
) bouncing around that is a bad ride.


I would also like to add that this is a great
site, very friendly and informative! Keep it up!!
 

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bybycop, I spent alittle over 300 bucks I think on the rancho's and yes I have my bars cranked to level it out. still playing with the adjustments on the shocks,but the ride is leaps and bounds over stock.
 

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What did everyone do to level it? Do you have pics?


That is really good to know. Did you install yourself? Where did you get your shocks? Is it worth going with the incab controls?


ThanksEdited by: bybycop
 

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I didnt get the incab controls but I got them at www.fourwheelparts.com. I think I cranked my bars 5 full turns to level it.
 

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Now i'm getting concerned!



I just ordered Bilstiens a few days ago for my truck, and now I see these posts about the ride quality going south with the new shocks...EEK!
Did I screw up? I don't want a rough ride, I want a "good" ride. This truck is my daily driver. Am I better off keeping the oem shocks, or putting on the Bilstiens?
 

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I think cranking the torsion bars has more to do with the rougher ride then anything else, not shocks...and the "stiffness" all depends on how far they're cranked. This is the main reason I went with a real lift kit, granted it was expensive but the truck looks like a truck now and rides like a cadillac. I had an 02 2500 HD Ext. Cab and went the t-bar crank route on it ...was definately firmer but not harsh as I only went about 3-4 turns but was still noticably stiffer then the 03 with a 4" lift.Edited by: tophog
 

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Anyone wanting a smoother ride should consider removing a leaf spring and adding air bags. With this solution you have the best of both worlds, as you have a non-HD ride when not towing. And when you are towing, you just add air.


As far as the feel of the Bilsteins, I think that most feel they are far better. It's funny, I've heard some say they didn't notice a difference at all. I've noticed they are a bit stiffer with a bit less travel over most bumps. The improvements are more obvious over large bumps as the suspension has an equal reaction in both up and down directions. Definitely not that OEM sensation of a stiff leaf springs slamming the wheels back to the ground.
 

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I just got my 2500 HD CC D/A SLT yesterday and was thinking about shocks too. I've had Rancho 9000's on my Suburban. They were either too stiff on setting 4 or 5 (mine were the 5 way adjustable 9000's) or too soft on 3 and under.


After a lot of research and talking to folks that had different shocks, I bought a set of Edelbrock (yeah Edelbrocks) shocks and the ride was smooth and compliant, but extremely controlled in hard turns, hard braking, etc. I could not believe the difference they made to the handling of my truck, without a ride penalty.


I also have Bilsteins on my 1997 Ford E150 conversion van. By comparison, the Bilsteins have a good ride, but nowhere near the control and handling. The Edelbrocks eliminate 98% of body roll and 100% of brake dive, or for that matter acceleration squat. The shocks really can differentiate between body induced forces versus road induced forces and treat them differently. You cannot get the truck to dive or roll, but a big pothole will immediately compress the shock.


I avoided buying them for a long time because I didn't think Edelbrock could possibly know anything about shocks, but I was wrong. BTW, they come with a 30 day money back guaranty. No one else has a money back, don't like them, send them back warranty. I'm sure they don't have many takers on that one which is why they still offer that after all these years.


I'm surprised they have not been mentioned on this forum. I presume that the Edelbrocks are available for HD trucks, but I have to check.
 

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I put the IAS Edelbrocks on my old Durango and they made a world of difference.. - then I lifted it and they we're not good after that, too short. I was fairly impressed with them.
 

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I wanted to go with the Edelbrocks at first but after reading the posts and talking to a friend of mine I went with the Bilsteins. I did raise the front end, one side has 5.5 truns were the other has just over six turns. Yes the ride did stiffen up, but real not that big of a deal. I added the Bilsteins and I can feel the front end taking the road and that is fine. But like I said the rear axial is what is making me feel everything in the road. Maybe it is the 9200 GVWR option. Going back, this was what bothered me about my new baby....it is a HD we should not have to do any of this crap to get the truck to look like a HD....GM if you read these sites PLEASE take note....MAKE A HD 4X4 LOOK LIKE A HD NOT LIKE A HD.
It's a truck please make them stand like one. We should not have to drop another $1,500 and god knows how much more in labor to give our truck lift.



Fireman, in reguards to your Bilsteins order...just leave the box sealed and return it I am sure they would not have a problem...and as for the Edelbrock I think I might give them a try. 30 day guaranty I wish the Bilsteins had that,
I would have taken them off yesturday and would be mailing them back today.
 

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I agree 100% regarding the whimpy stance GM trucks have always had. Probably my biggest complaint agaist GM trucks. Geez if they made the trucks look like real 4x4's their sales would probably increase significantly...and I'm not talking about a 8" lift with 44" tires ... something similar to the FURDS. I guess these days it's nearly impossible to have your cake and eat it too. Edited by: tophog
 

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I had Bilsteins on my ZR2 that I toy'd with for a couple years ... Rode stiff as sh!t .... Granted it was a short wheelbase and much lighter but that experience shyed me away from putting them on my 3500 ...


Seems someone is experiencing what I avoided ....





GO RANCHO





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Topdog...I do not familure with the FURDS. LOL I forgot to add into the expense of adding new bigger tires and wheels to $2,500 lift.
Even with the stock 6.5" wide wheel it comes with out to the box wimpy.



But I love the truck in every other light.
 
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