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Stumpalump;1970782; said:
They are in Farmington New Mexico. That is a hub for trucking and some automotive after market companies. They list their endorcement contacts so look them up and see if they are ledjit. I just called for a product on the 6.5 forum and got the info from the horses mouth. The lube has no merit because he was sent a specific sample for study porpose. If it was bought at a truck stop then that would have helped. Also if kennedy uses a quart of "cheap new moter oil" then why was that not included? This test is reminding me of another one I didn't buy either.


Well, what do you know..... The K&N troll is trying to discount another study. I don't think your opinion carries much weight around here..... You want a A/C delco filter to go in your ride? :D
 
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duramax 2001;1970806; said:
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Well, what do you know..... The K&N troll is trying to discount another study. I don't think your opinion carries much weight around here..... You want a A/C delco filter to go in your ride? :D
Who made you the posting police? At least I added to the discussion unlike you doing nothing but sucking up for those that are in the clique. I'm not in your clique and never will be but I will keep adding to dicussions whether it fit your adjenda or not.
 
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Stumpalump;1970782; said:
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.... This test is reminding me of another one I didn't buy either.
Fair enough...
Perhaps you would be willing to do better, more comprehensive studies rather than snipe at another person's hard work?

Also... You are QUITE correct in your statement that you didn't buy the study. That information was provided to you free of cost.
 
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wilsonck;1970444; said:
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2 cycle oil (avg).................... 138,000 BTU's

So 2 cycle oil isn't going to reduce the BTU value of diesel fuel. So its still a excellent choice as a fuel additive so far...


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Cetane number should not be considered alone when evaluating diesel fuel quality. API gravity, BTU content, distillation range, sulfur content, stability and flash point are very important. In colder weather, cloud point and low temperature filter plugging point may be critical factors.
All of the cetane boosters on the market tend to reduce the BTU content of the fuel. Hence it reduces the MPG and the HP/TQ numbers. Sulfur content is been reduced national to 520 HFRR (<15 PPM Sulfur) which mean less lubricity of the fuel. Cetane boosters tend to de-stabilize the flash point. Go back to my Chemical definition page and look at the flash points of the different chemicals.
Very good point thats the first time I have seen someone with info on BTU's of 2 cycle oil post or at least I missed it in many thread readings on 2 stroke oil. Would you mind sharing where you found it and how much it might vary from the racing bean oils (which I would guess might be comparable to bio fuel) to TCW-3 and or PWC oils etc.

I'd also add viscosity and film strength to important properties of diesel fuel.
 
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HBruns;1970852; said:
Fair enough...
Perhaps you would be willing to do better, more comprehensive studies rather than snipe at another person's hard work?

Also... You are QUITE correct in your statement that you didn't buy the study. That information was provided to you free of cost.
He soliceted MONEY right here and farmed out the testing on your dime. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he supplied products from companys too? Sound like he got paid at least somthing for his work. Not that it wasn't knoble or well intentioned but just because he did it does not grant him immunity from scrutiny. This is a discussion forum guys. Is it not OK to dicuss? Lighten up it's just the internet. The question I think people have is that he came up with one company that just so happens to be releasing a product for sale to the public this week. Hello... should this at least warrent questions about a company few have heard of? Let me throw a political WAG at this since it's just the internet. The enviromentalist will have a field day knowing bio diesel is being promoted by this test. The tester is a Union man. Enviromentalist,Unions, many special intrest groups stick together politically. Democrates. Probably a stretch but you guys seem to thrive on controversy. LOL. Lighten up it's a joke!
 
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Greetings to All,
There are questions about our company & products, I'll attempt to answer the bulk of them here.
We've been in in the lubricants business since 1993, are based out of Utah (don't assume we're LDS/Mormon, we're not, but they've been great neighbors). Our company is relatively small, but we currently ship to 4 continents, over 90% of the business being to Railroads, Mining Operations, Municipalities, Power Plants and Lubricant Distributors. We do have a small retail distribution network (one of which is in Farmington, NM). There are petro-chemical engineers that develop products for us (some have PhD's and other letters after their name) but they do not work for us on a full-time basis. When developing a product their main priority is 'First, Do No Harm' (sound familiar?). While our vehicles are precious to us, our products also go in components that cost $500,000 or more. They have to work as advertised and not be detrimental in any way. We do not list our address, but many other reputable companies don't either. Fact is, we sometimes ship from other facilities. On large orders, especially overseas shipments, we will blend at a location near our raw materials suppliers (usually NY or Chicago) and then ship directly from there. One of our chemists always confirms quality onsite. Sorry for the long post, ask me if you have more questions.
I'm not just the Owner, I'm a customer with two Duramax Diesels.
--Jim Miller, Opti-Lube
 
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As usual, Stump has nothing to offer. More concerned with stirring the pot, just ignore it.

Thank you Spicer for all the hard work. I was really surprised with the results. Anybody want a half of case of Stanadyne Performance Formula, j/k.

I will have to add some lubrication to the Stanadyne to use it up.
 
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outwestjim;1970976; said:
Greetings to All,
There are questions about our company & products, I'll attempt to answer the bulk of them here.
We've been in in the lubricants business since 1993, are based out of Utah (don't assume we're LDS/Mormon, we're not, but they've been great neighbors). Our company is relatively small, but we currently ship to 4 continents, over 90% of the business being to Railroads, Mining Operations, Municipalities, Power Plants and Lubricant Distributors. We do have a small retail distribution network (one of which is in Farmington, NM). There are petro-chemical engineers that develop products for us (some have PhD's and other letters after their name) but they do not work for us on a full-time basis. When developing a product their main priority is 'First, Do No Harm' (sound familiar?). While our vehicles are precious to us, our products also go in components that cost $500,000 or more. They have to work as advertised and not be detrimental in any way. We do not list our address, but many other reputable companies don't either. Fact is, we sometimes ship from other facilities. On large orders, especially overseas shipments, we will blend at a location near our raw materials suppliers (usually NY or Chicago) and then ship directly from there. One of our chemists always confirms quality onsite. Sorry for the long post, ask me if you have more questions.
I'm not just the Owner, I'm a customer with two Duramax Diesels.
--Jim Miller, Opti-Lube
Thanks Jim! I hope your product does well! I did notice you have a FJ cruiser and wanted to make sure you stay on top of a potential issue that may need to be address before your warreny runs out.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/foru...ms.com/forums/problems-dealer-service/33591-photos-only-engine-bay-ripples.html
 
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MSDS Request

outwestjim, I've emailed your company and called this morning for an MSDS sheet but nothing. The nice lady on the phone informed me she would have it to me in "an hour or two at the most" but nothing yet. Could you post one on this site?

Thanks.
 
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I checked with Amy, there must have been a size issue with the attachment, she has sent the MSDS' via fax.
Thanks,
--Jim
 
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Stumpalump;1971067; said:
Thanks Jim! I hope your product does well! I did notice you have a FJ cruiser and wanted to make sure you stay on top of a potential issue that may need to be address before your warreny runs out.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/foru...ms.com/forums/problems-dealer-service/33591-photos-only-engine-bay-ripples.html

Wow, thanks for letting me know about the FJ Cruiser engine bay issue, had not heard about it.

Also, we'll post a link to our MSDS's online, they'll be in .pdf format.
 
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Stumpalump;1970937; said:
He soliceted MONEY right here and farmed out the testing on your dime. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he supplied products from companys too? Sound like he got paid at least somthing for his work. Not that it wasn't knoble or well intentioned but just because he did it does not grant him immunity from scrutiny. This is a discussion forum guys. Is it not OK to dicuss? Lighten up it's just the internet. The question I think people have is that he came up with one company that just so happens to be releasing a product for sale to the public this week. Hello... should this at least warrent questions about a company few have heard of? Let me throw a political WAG at this since it's just the internet. The enviromentalist will have a field day knowing bio diesel is being promoted by this test. The tester is a Union man. Enviromentalist,Unions, many special intrest groups stick together politically. Democrates. Probably a stretch but you guys seem to thrive on controversy. LOL. Lighten up it's a joke!
Just for the record, I haven't heard of several of those products tested. I also did not contribute any money :eek:: but I DID get free information from this study. I'm not being told to buy anything, nor am I forced to listen to the advice. The information is there. Good, bad, or indifferent and you can do with it what you will. It's free and without strings attached. You really seem to want to make something out of nothing. If you don't believe it, for whatever reason, fine. Move on. Spicer is not trying to force anything on anyone. He's just presenting information and being completely honest and open about how he got the information. He told us from the beginning how and what he was doing. He's hidden nothing so I don't think there is any malicious or deceptive intent. I applaud spicer for the time and effort put into this study. :bow: Well done! Maybe if you re-direct your energy into doing something good rather than debunking what others have done, you could make this site a better place, as spicer has done.

BTW, I'm not an enviromentalist, union man, or democrat.
I also didn't spend the night in a holiday inn and I haven't saved a bunch of money on car insurance.
 
Outwest jIm, Any thoughts of becoming a supporting vendor or setting up one of our current vendors as a dealer for your product?
 
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duramax 2001;1971221; said:
Outwest jIm, Any thoughts of becoming a supporting vendor or setting up one of our current vendors as a dealer for your product?
Duramax 2001,

You must be reading our minds...just started the process to become a supporting vendor

Thanks,

--Jim
 
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I received the MSDS sheets for both Opti-Lube Diesel Fuel Improver Summer Blend and Opti-Lube Diesel Fuel Improver Summer Blend. Everything listed in the MSDS sheets (hazardous ingredients) for both products is what you'd expect for a diesel additive (naphtha which is basically stoddard solvent, benzenes, etc). Both products mirror the same hazardous ingredients as Stanadyne lists for their Lubricity formula and Winter 1000 formula thus I can't see why GM would have a problem with them.

The summer blend is a Lubrizol produced product that has been in business since 1928 and is without doubt a major player in the additives market. The winter blend doesn't state anything about Lubrizol thus I'm going to go with the assumption that it is the Lubrizol product with a winter additive? I'll leave that for outwestjim to answer.

The bottom line is my concerns have been changed thanks to the patience and understanding of the folks at Opti-Lube. Some folks don't take well to being questioned by customers and these folks handled it with grace and ease - thanks for taking the first major step in customer service as it will pay off with this customer. I'd better get my credit card out! ;-)
 
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Thanks for the info...getting hard to follow thread with all of the personal digs and all but anyways I did have a question.

Was the biodiesel used for the testing B100 made from Soy oil?
Or was it a blend of biodiesel with other addtives?
Or was it B100 made from WVO? etc
 
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Hey Stumpalump, do you EVER stop bitching and whining? I don't wanna hi jack the thread, but dear god it is like every post I see your name in you are griping and complaining and causing problems.

You don't like it, don't come over to this thread. If you had ANY idea how massive of an undertaking this project is, you'd change your tune. If Spicer made anything out of this, it would never be enough to be worth the trouble.

You raised hell non stop about the K&N air filter test. You do the same here, and I'll make sure those posts are your last.

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Gradyghost;1971352; said:
Thanks for the info...getting hard to follow thread with all of the personal digs and all but anyways I did have a question.

Was the biodiesel used for the testing B100 made from Soy oil?
Or was it a blend of biodiesel with other addtives?
Or was it B100 made from WVO? etc
What we did was use 100% soybean biodiesel. It was specifically REG SoyPower biodiesel. This pure biodiesel was used as an additive, blended with the baseline fuel at a 50:1 ratio, making it a 2% biodiesel. Hope this helps. SPICER
 
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You know what? I will put 50.00 toward another test that can be done better. If you come up with why it is better I will give more money. SPICER should have made money on this. It is a benefit to all that read it. I am calling the all knowing Stump out. Organize a "Proper test". I will contribute as soon as you make me realize SPICER waisted our time and money on his test. I supported SPICER with my hard earned money. I will do the same for you. Actually, redo the air filter study first. That way you can build some credibility here. Hell I will help fund that too.
 
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outwestjim;1971246; said:
Duramax 2001,

You must be reading our minds...just started the process to become a supporting vendor

Thanks,

--Jim
Keep us posted on what you do. Will it be under OPTI LUBE?
My Jet fuel needs some more lube soon.
 
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