[JIMMMY]

Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck CJ-4, had a Baldwin filter on this time (switched to Mobil 1 filter at the oil change). The oil has 8 months on it from October to June.


Very impressed with Blackstone's service. Sent it in a Priority box just to be sure it didn't leak or get hijacked by a postal inspector. Sent on Monday afternoon..... Got the report this afternoon 2 days later!

Comments?



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Can't see the report without username and password.

Cut and paste?

 

[diesail]

Fixed that, but it's kinda puny. Anyone know how to edit out the my name & address etc on the PDF file they send? Not sure how to post a PDF file either....

Worked just fine for me. IE does resize it to fit the window but if you mouse over it you should get a magnafying glass icon and when you click it will go full size.

 

[Horsehaulin]

Moved to M&F

 

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Now the link works fine - weird.

Good info on the oil - Blackstone kicks a$$

 

[alvareracing]

pretty good Jimmy, better than my last one. I had 69 on the copper and 20 something on the iron. I wonder how many miles it takes to see the copper come down to normal.

 

[stockrex]

what is the possible source of copper?

 

[JIMMMY]

what is the possible source of copper?

Most DP peeps say from the oil cooler's normal oxidation.

This may be my one and only oil analysis. I mainly wanted to reassure myself the oil will hold-up and be without excessive contaminants. We sure worry about a soft metal like copper, how much harm can 32 parts per million do..... What is that like .0032%..... Heck I have seen DP peeps post over 400ppm which is probably no harder on anything.

Blackstone's added personal wording is a very good marketing strategy. They ask for comments on the oil test order slip, then tell you what you want to hear. Along with careful wording to make you want to keep testing your oil.

You can't spell analysis without the work anal……….

Should be fine, as long as I am following GM's change intervals or better per the DIC and the manual, which it looks like I will with my 10K or 1 year changes. Might just change it early this time right at 30K, then will be easy cheesy to remember every even 10K. Or is that anal too... No that's more OCD...


Also good to see that the OEM blue Donaldson airfilter is not letting anything by (silicon). Plan to change it out for the same at 50K if the FilterMinder hasn't indicated otherwiise before that….

 

[axlenut]

Interesting. While everything is in the normal range, in comparing with the Amsoil Series 3000 HD Diesel Oil (5W-30) 15,000 miles (and two years), I'm struck by the differences in the analysis. I use an Amsoil dual bypass filter set up (with Baldwin filters during the test cycle) which will effect the results.

Mobil 1 Additive Metals (anti-wear more is better) Phosphorous=839; Zinc=1106. Calcium (Dispersant/Detergent)=1116

Amsoil Series 3000 Additive Metals Phosphorous=1469; Zinc=1615. Calcium=4239

Mobile 1 TBN (Total Base Number, acid corrosion inhibitor, replace oil at <2) = 4.3

Amsoil Series 3000 TBN = 7.07

My copper level was 281 which was noted to be oxidation from the oil cooler and not a maintenance problem by the lab.

What I don't see on the Blackstone report is oil Soot Volume in percent (what does the comment "a little soot" refer to?). This should be less than 2% and is vital to monitoring diesel engine performance, mine has remained <.1% due to use of the dual bypass filtration. I use Oil Analyzers, Inc. which provides a more detailed report (unless your Blackstone report has additional pages).

What it reveals is that the Mobile 1 product has less additives and TBN remaining after 10,000 miles and one year than the Amsoil product at 15,000 miles and two years. Is this significant? Only if you plan to use the oil for extended drain intervals, Mobile 1 doesn't seem to offer the potential for extended change intervals exceeding 25,000 miles without periodic analysis. Of course the Amsoil product is more expensive than Mobile 1, $8.00 preferred customer or $10.20 retail vs. $6.99 per quart (Auto Zone).

It also reveals that the Oil Analyzers Inc. report ($28.00 UPS prepaid) is more detailed and useful, containing such results as Oxidation and Nitrification levels, they also post results on line and email when they are available.

What does it all mean? Not much, its just interesting to compare differences in labs and lubricants. I have use several analytical labs in my work, with quite a difference between commercial and public health labs.

 

[JIMMMY]

Wonder if anyone has sent samples of the same oil to both labs. Wonder how close the 2 reports would be.

Here's a Blackstone report that more closely matches my conditions, here's the same items you mentioned above from it:

Amsoil 5W/40 CJ-4 (DEO)
2009 2500HD
10,605 miles & 5 months on sample
30,429 on rig dated 05/09/09
Phos - 1005
Zinc - 1235
Calcium - 2327
TBN - 4.8
Copper - 54

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309279

 

[JMJNet]

Interesting. While everything is in the normal range, in comparing with the Amsoil Series 3000 HD Diesel Oil (5W-30) 15,000 miles (and two years), I'm struck by the differences in the analysis. I use an Amsoil dual bypass filter set up (with Baldwin filters during the test cycle) which will effect the results.

Mobil 1 Additive Metals (anti-wear more is better) Phosphorous=839; Zinc=1106. Calcium (Dispersant/Detergent)=1116

Amsoil Series 3000 Additive Metals Phosphorous=1469; Zinc=1615. Calcium=4239

Mobile 1 TBN (Total Base Number, acid corrosion inhibitor, replace oil at <2) = 4.3

Amsoil Series 3000 TBN = 7.07

My copper level was 281 which was noted to be oxidation from the oil cooler and not a maintenance problem by the lab.

What I don't see on the Blackstone report is oil Soot Volume in percent (what does the comment "a little soot" refer to?). This should be less than 2% and is vital to monitoring diesel engine performance, mine has remained <.1% due to use of the dual bypass filtration. I use Oil Analyzers, Inc. which provides a more detailed report (unless your Blackstone report has additional pages).

What it reveals is that the Mobile 1 product has less additives and TBN remaining after 10,000 miles and one year than the Amsoil product at 15,000 miles and two years. Is this significant? Only if you plan to use the oil for extended drain intervals, Mobile 1 doesn't seem to offer the potential for extended change intervals exceeding 25,000 miles without periodic analysis. Of course the Amsoil product is more expensive than Mobile 1, $8.00 preferred customer or $10.20 retail vs. $6.99 per quart (Auto Zone).

It also reveals that the Oil Analyzers Inc. report ($28.00 UPS prepaid) is more detailed and useful, containing such results as Oxidation and Nitrification levels, they also post results on line and email when they are available.

What does it all mean? Not much, its just interesting to compare differences in labs and lubricants. I have use several analytical labs in my work, with quite a difference between commercial and public health labs.

IIRC, Amsoil HDD is CI-4+ rating which started at TBN of 12 something. Did you do a make up oil before you did the analysis?
I am not sure if the Mobil1 is CJ-4 which usually start a lower TBN.

Also, you have the bypass filter. So it proves that Bypass works for extended OCI.

A more apple to apple comparison is with their Amsoil DEO.

Yes, HDD should last longer especially with Bypass.

 

[JIMMMY]

Mobil 1 rates the TDT oil that I use at 10.7 TBN.

Amsoil rates the DEO oil I compared above at 10.4 TBN.

 

[BUDH]

Wonder if anyone has sent samples of the same oil to both labs. Wonder how close the 2 reports would be.

I'm sampling mine this weekend and will be sending off to Blackstone, and another to whoever the lab is that sells the kits through Amsoil. Truck just turned over 20k, and the last sample I had at 14-15k was not very good. I'll post up the results, and differences, when I get them.

 

[axlenut]

IIRC, Amsoil HDD is CI-4+ rating which started at TBN of 12 something. Did you do a make up oil before you did the analysis?
I am not sure if the Mobil1 is CJ-4 which usually start a lower TBN.

Also, you have the bypass filter. So it proves that Bypass works for extended OCI.

A more apple to apple comparison is with their Amsoil DEO.

Yes, HDD should last longer especially with Bypass.

There was 20 oz of make up oil added 5,000 miles prior to sampling. This particular LBZ is very thrifty on oil, using around 16 - 20 oz per 10,000 miles. Why is a mystery, except that Amsoil claims the Series 3000 has the lowest NOACK volitility rating of diesel oils.

Indeed I selected Amsoil series 3000 because it had the highest level of TBN and anti-wear additives of any oil. The CJ-4 specification is a trade off for emission which also requires less additives - hence it has shorter change intervals. That's a sad fact of life when bureaucrats design anything. Unfortunately, that's all I had for comparison - it isn't meant to be conclusive, just an exercise.

As to the question of lab results, different labs will produce varying results within the tolerance range of the analysis methodology used. I have seen this in waste water and potable water analysis, but usually the difference will be insignificant. For example we used to run a COD (Chemical Oxygen Demand) test on treated waste water before submitting a sample to a certified lab for BOD (Biological Oxygen Demand) testing. On occasion the BOD test result would be grossly out of range according to the COD test - and it invariably turned out to be a lab error in the BOD test. Labs do make mistakes, although they do a pretty good job the majority of the time. Results are also dependent on sampling procedure.

 

[BUDH]

Drew my samples yesterday and will be going out to Blackstone & Fluid Analysis Labs. Hope they report "like findings".

 

[Lennox69]

engine break-in could go as far as 40k on a duramax, i would nor worry about some report, just change the oil every 5k, and don't sweat the oil lab reports it could have been tested on a friday evening. and copper= bearing wear?

 

[D_R_C]

Have any of you fellers checked out your own city/town to see if there are any oil labs locally, we`s gots 4 in my city.
I know small towns probably won`t, but most larger ones most likely would.
Like a Empire/Caterpiller or a place that deals with construction/farm equipment these would be ones to check out.

"JIMMY" as stated in your oil results the metal was high @ 10 k even at 24 k on the engine this is something to think serious about going that long between changes.

Just curious how many of you guy`s that go by the oil life run your tires to the cord, just to get the max life out of them.
"I don`t"
I buy new tires even when the old ones still have a little life left.
This is called a safty net, changing out before something bad happens.
Tires costs $200-$300 each roughly, changing oil while things still look good $50-$90, replacing the engine because your pushing the oil to its limits like some do with tires, costs just a tad more.

 

[D_R_C]

engine break-in could go as far as 40k on a duramax, i would nor worry about some report, just change the oil every 5k, and don't sweat the oil lab reports it could have been tested on a friday evening. and copper= bearing wear?

X 2 actually I change mine @ 4k reasons below.

What most don`t consider especially one`s that has had previous different make diesels.
Fords Diesel, oil cap is 15 qts-----50% more oil cap than Dmax
Dodge Cummins oil cap is 12 qts---20% more oil cap than Dmax
GM Dmax oil cap is 10 qts.

Ford and Dodge and your local GM dealer recommends oil changes @ 5k heavy use-towing-hot climate, 7500 with normal use cooler climates.
These #`s are for longer lasting more trouble free engines or as most mechs say P.M. preventive maintance.

I have done the math and I just don`t get it on Dmax`s claim on oil life being longer.
I would trust a street walker before I would completely trust the engines computer oil life system %`s.
For me 50% is a good # to change, no longer, besides you should only believe 1/2 of what you see.
Especially with all this emission crap continually re-circulting thru the engine even more so than with earlier models.

The regens that adds more fuel to burn the crap build up in the DPF.
Have any of you monitored your oil life %`s before and after a regen.
Check it out for yourselves monitor the oil life during regens.
Heat is a factor that affects oil life as well,what does regens do ? creates excess heat for a period of time every 300-375 miles.

Sure, I have done oil analysis(anal) not so much anymore, and they all came back with more life left and everything looked good.
That was great and I`m glad I changed my oil at what I feel is a good time.
And if I`m getting ready to do some towing I`ll change earlier even at 3k.

I`m guessing most of you that are doing analysis all the time, its no wonder you want to go longer in between oil changes because of the cost of oil.
But your missing something you are not considering the cost of the oil analysis you spending everytime.

Have any of you actually talked to some of the people doing your oil analysis`s at these labs, I have.
There is usually one senior tech most of the others in the lab are goofer techs, even @ Blackstone.

For me after a few calls to have a few of the #`s explained.
I got real concerned when they did`nt know and can`t find out the answers to simple sample ?`s.
Can they really be trusted on doing a proper job, if they really don`t completely know what they are testing.
My conclusion was NO.

 

[ob--one]

I, after reading an insane amount of posts uoa's claims etc, can't understand how anyone can spend 50k on a truck and ef with it. Seeing the oil anal's I would think that any reasonably in tact individual would run their rigs through wally world or roll under and do the friggen job yourself, and would use the best dino fluid they have to offer in and around the 7-10k . Where is the post bout the loaded gun and bout the safety!