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Okay, Horseforum crew, I got a PM this morning that I broke a rule over at your place with regards to posting links to other forums in this thread:

Towing a trailer for the first time

My bad, sorry. :)

I thought it would bring it up as a topic of debate here however, based on the fact that we do not have the same rule, and I'm curious what your logic is behind it. We censor or remove links only in the following scenarios:

  • Somebody is cheerleading with the sole intention of driving traffic to a directly competing forum. (Aka someone shows up and posts something like "Hey everyone I started a new diesel truck forum so come check it out!" Type thing, or a "this place sucks everyone go here instead" etc.
  • The link leads to a non-supporting vendor retail website that directly competes with one of our vendors...and even then sometimes we don't censor it unless a vendor complains.
There are a few additional scenarios that may lead to us removing a link, but generally they have to do with more complicated rules with regards to buy and sell content, etc.

That said, if somebody post a link to another forum solely in the interest of technical merit that benefits our membership, we have no problem with it whatsoever. In the case of the link that you removed in my post at Horseforum, it was a link back to my FAQ on "timer versus proportional electric brake controllers" is in our towing forum here.

Based on our rules a link like this (if the tables were turned) would be welcomed - The information contained therein provides a huge technical benefit to our membership (especially being a potentially HUGE safety issue), and the forum in question is basically not competing with us in any way, shape, or form, being on basically a completely different topic.

Now I'm not trying to necessarily question your rules or complain about having them enforced upon me :)spank: :HiHi:), but I am just legitimately curiously interested in the logic/thoughts behind a strict "no links to any other forum whatsoever" rule, that's all.

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I did read them after-the-fact and I think most of them are entirely fair, however is linking to a diesel truck forum (which we strive to keep basically PG in almost all our easily accessible public forums at that) something that would be considered potentially risqué from the aspect of your younger members?

Although I see the potential risk of having people link to other forums that might not be so family-friendly, personally I lump it in with the reality that simply by opening a new browser window and searching in Google, every kid on the face of the planet can find stuff much, much worse.

We would certainly be along the same lines if somebody posted a link to a porn site or something in the grasping at straws suggestion that there was something of technical merit to our diesel-truck theme there, but to play devils advocate , if someone posts a horse related question here I'd be more than happy for someone to link them back to HF to get a better answer. We're on two completely different topics and if someone asked "what bit should I use on a Clydesdale" for example I wouldn't expect them to get much help here - they'd be better served with a link to you guys, and we'd be ok with that.

I've been knowing to link people to RV.net on occasion here when I know that something a member desperately need information or technical assistance with would be much better served by their knowledgebase and membership versus what anybody is ever likely to offer here. Their topic is completely different than ours so from my perspective we are not necessarily directly competing with each other, and posting a link to them doesn't translate to us potentially losing a member here - when it comes to our core topic, people would be quick to come back here for assistance versus trying to get answers to questions there from people who have but a fraction of the technical know how of most of our members....when it comes to trucks.

Hopefully I made my point understandable, I trust you see where I'm coming from.
 

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I agree with Mark.

I believe at one point here, links were a nono, as we still get reports when someone does it. There was more slack given when it was a sister site, (other AF site).
When someone links a site to answer a question, its purely to help and does nothing but help.
Some of the other AF sites I'm on, their FAQ's and technical how too's are full of links to competing sites.
 

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While linking to a non-competing Forum may be innocent in itself, it does have the possibility of having our Members hanging out more on a new forum and less on ours. We also do not allow links to FB groups and Game sites.

But, then also you have the problem of some members not being able to differentiate between linking to a non-competing forum and a competing Horse forum, they see a link and think all links are OK :nope:

Many times when someone links to another site with valuable info, one of the Mods will remove the link, but copy and paste the info back in the post or we ask the member to do this.

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Many times when someone links to another site with valuable info, one of the Mods will remove the link, but copy and paste the info back in the post or we ask the member to do this.
Fair enough, at least the info gets out.
 

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I did read them after-the-fact and I think most of them are entirely fair, however is linking to a diesel truck forum (which we strive to keep basically PG in almost all our easily accessible public forums at that) something that would be considered potentially risqué from the aspect of your younger members?
While some of it is that something you (general you) link to could be beyond what a child should see, it's also about the fact that if we allow you (whom hardly anyone on our forum knows you are a mod somewhere else) to do it, then we have to allow others the same freedom. Otherwise the lynch mob will be at our door in two seconds flat screaming about how you let "him" do it but won't let us.
Because of our much younger demographic we also have oodles of immature members....real youngsters that we know and communicate with.... who cannot differentiate.
Oh, there are the bratty grown ups too that behave like they are still stuck in their terrible twos...and will resort to screaming and whining right along with the lynch mob because 1. they are good at it and 2. they also won't see the logic.

Part of the thing that the founding owner set up, and it's in the link if you read between the lines, is an attitude of fairness to all. The love for horses knows no bounds. Money, fortune, experience, and intelligence level no impact on a person's love for horses. If we let you do it (again, general you) then again, we need to let all.

And as Kevin mentioned, far too many will not be able to distinguish between a relevant link and a distracting link. They can't even follow the linking rules as it is.
Again though, members are always free to copy and paste info and they are always free to share things via PM.


Although I see the potential risk of having people link to other forums that might not be so family-friendly, personally I lump it in with the reality that simply by opening a new browser window and searching in Google, every kid on the face of the planet can find stuff much, much worse.

We would certainly be along the same lines if somebody posted a link to a porn site or something in the grasping at straws suggestion that there was something of technical merit to our diesel-truck theme there, but to play devils advocate , if someone posts a horse related question here I'd be more than happy for someone to link them back to HF to get a better answer. We're on two completely different topics and if someone asked "what bit should I use on a Clydesdale" for example I wouldn't expect them to get much help here - they'd be better served with a link to you guys, and we'd be ok with that.

I've been knowing to link people to RV.net on occasion here when I know that something a member desperately need information or technical assistance with would be much better served by their knowledgebase and membership versus what anybody is ever likely to offer here. Their topic is completely different than ours so from my perspective we are not necessarily directly competing with each other, and posting a link to them doesn't translate to us potentially losing a member here - when it comes to our core topic, people would be quick to come back here for assistance versus trying to get answers to questions there from people who have but a fraction of the technical know how of most of our members....when it comes to trucks.

Hopefully I made my point understandable, I trust you see where I'm coming from.
I get your point, really.
Over at HF we are a team and we often decide things based on vote and discussion and our forum is not just about how the mods want to run it. 95% of our members are happy with how we run things and understand we do things as a group.

We also have decided that yes, while pretty much any 8 year old can get on the internet and end up somewhere they shouldn't... because mom and dad aren't paying attention.... however, we do our best to make sure that "place" isn't HF.
We care tremendously about budding young horse lovers and know all too well how impressionable they are. Many of us were once that young horse crazy little kid.
 

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Fair enough, like I said I'm not trying to trash your rules or anything, I just wanted to better understand the thinking behind them. I have a better pictire now that it's mainly because of our vastly different demographic from each other which I respect and understand.

And yes, we totally understand the slippery slope thing. It's just that our liberal policy regarding links here means we really don't experience the same as very little is verboten except commercial advertising links which most members understand the reasoning behind and don't out up a fuss about. We tend to deal with the "why can he do that but we can't" stuff more with the staff vs membership than anything.

I'm hoping we can get some more sites signed up and also sharing their opinions and tactics with regards to such in here - it's enlightening.
 
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