HP numbers from stack

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SmokinMax

Discussion Starter · Oct 6, 2003

I made 490's with hot juice and quad stealth and ats tranny ...right at 900 tq....

A huge Thanks to :

Macs Performance

BRC Diesel Performance www.brcdieselperformance.com

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king d

· #21 · Oct 7, 2003

sdaver said:
why is not jess trying this stack.......

sooon dave soon! i will be trying it out,jonothan glad you came over these guys will busts your balls for a bit but it will smooth out like i told you those are incredible numbers stick around it gets better....jess

Got Juice?

· #22 · Oct 7, 2003

king d said:
sdaver said:

why is not jess trying this stack.......

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sooon dave soon! i will be trying it out,jonothan glad you came over these guys will busts your balls for a bit but it will smooth out like i told you those are incredible numbers stick around it gets better....jess

Yeah, i'll stick around... just got off the phone with sdaver, and he set me straight

I'll be faxing him the sheet in the morning. There is also another member who has dynoed 3 events at the same time i did... so unless all 3 dynos are wrong, he was within 10 hp of his last numbers, so i will take this chart as correct. BTW...thanks for giving me the lesson on types of dyno's sdaver.... something to watch for!

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CPMac

· #23 · Oct 7, 2003

All the #'s really say is that their dyno try's to calculate fwhp or it is being operated improperly or that one of your power enhancers is way bigger than you think it is. Or they accidentally switched your #'s with another truck.

Got Juice?

· #24 · Oct 7, 2003

CPMac said:
All the #'s really say is that their dyno try's to calculate fwhp or it is being operated improperly or that one of your power enhancers is way bigger than you think it is. Or they accidentally switched your #'s with another truck.

oh... yeah... RIIIIIIIGHT....thats how i did it... i just bolted my engine up to the dyno..... you are sooo smart.... maybe you just can't drive your own truck? Nahhhhh couldn't be that!

Got Juice?

· #25 · Oct 7, 2003

I do not know if my old prototype hot oj is any stronger than the later version...maybe it is... i do not know.... as for the bully dog.... i do not know that either... what i do know is this: the dyno is accurate...it was being run by the qualified technician and was at sea level in pretty decent running conditions. You are entitled to your opinion, that is for sure, try to be graceful when someone else's combination betters yours. It is a trademark of the mature individual. I did have a complete service before i went on the dyno, clean fluids and filters. That can make a difference as well as the individual driving

BIG DIPPER

· #26 · Oct 7, 2003

Got juice............

Simmer down, you tell him to be graceful after being a smart ass in the previous post.. No one has called you a liar,just questioning your posts. Not like it hasn't happened to the rest of us.....thing is, now it is your turn.

And yes, the guy operationg the dyno could make changes that could skew numbers, good or bad. CPMAC has a lot of experience on the dyno, along with a few others. You will see that their experience is appreciated.

Just take the ribbin like a man and wait out the results of SDaver's post. If all the evidence is there, Dave will support you and this will be over soon enough. Til then, keep your chin up. We really aren't that bad.Edited by: BIG DIPPER

CPMac

· #27 · Oct 7, 2003

I didn't mean that you did something shady but something just doesn't add up. You don't get full advertised gain out of any stack because they overlap on what signals are changed. There are several other possible reasons for the faulty reading but I just mentioned a few. I wish you well in coming up with the most hp but what you have will not produce those numbers on a Mustang or Dynojet dyno. If it reads that high then I understand a lot more about the shop's dyno you were at.

Got Juice?

· #28 · Oct 7, 2003

CPMac said:
I didn't mean that you did something shady but something just doesn't add up. You don't get full advertised gain out of any stack because they overlap on what signals are changed. There are several other possible reasons for the faulty reading but I just mentioned a few. I wish you well in coming up with the most hp but what you have will not produce those numbers on a Mustang or Dynojet dyno. If it reads that high then I understand a lot more about the shop's dyno you were at.

I understand... really i do, i was expecting to see 430 or 450 RWHP.

since an unchanged truck at the last 3 dyno events we did together, he made no changes and was within a few hp .... on this dyno his numbers were within tolerance.... 5hp high.... that is it. He is my gauge as to whether or not the dyno is functioning or being run correctly. in essence he is my 'control' vehicle.

I do not like all this .....i had enough lumps on other forums but this is ridiculous. Getting more bashing on my brand of truck forum than what i do on sites where the membership is comprised 99.95% of dodges.... heck...even the dodge guys were impressed with the run. I guess i should just give up. I had higher hopes here than on the dieselpage is all. My mistake entirely.

FirstDiesel

· #29 · Oct 7, 2003

Got Juice

Hang in there. Certain members on this forum speak a little too much like experts. Some actually think they should be listened to as THE expert.

I know nothing about stacking boxes as I don't even own one yet but I do know that I've heard pissing matches from these guys amongst themselves because they all know more than the other one.

You know what you've done. Screw them if they don't believe you. Your new and you pissed on their parade.

If they don't beleive you offer a pull off and let them show up and put up or shut up. Remember it's real easy to be a big mouth on a forum while they're hiding behind the fact they don't even post a name or a location. Cyber bloody noses are easy things to give out.

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Got Juice?

· #30 · Oct 7, 2003

FirstDiesel said:
Got Juice

Hang in there. Certain members on this forum speak a little too much like experts. Some actually think they should be listened to as THE expert.

I know nothing about stacking boxes as I don't even own one yet but I do know that I've heard pissing matches from these guys amongst themselves because they all know more than the other one.

You know what you've done. Screw them if they don't believe you. Your new and you pissed on their parade.

If they don't beleive you offer a pull off and let them show up and put up or shut up. Remember it's real easy to be a big mouth on a forum while they're hiding behind the fact they don't even post a name or a location. Cyber bloody noses are easy things to give out.

Thanks FirstDiesel....i have just had a great chat with another member, and i will try to 'hold out' against launching into another tirade until another member can perform the same stack and reverify my numbers. i did not realize this is the highest number so far on straight #2 with a stack. i guess i just posted and landed straight into the lake of bullpoop. Honestly, i hope Jess can back up my numbers or better yet beat them by 25 hp or so!

BIG DIPPER

· #31 · Oct 7, 2003

First Diesel,

If you are refering to me, I will hook up with him.......right after I drag your truck around for awhile.

Maybe we should listen to you ........the expurt.

All my info is posted, email, IM, and location....I AIN'T SCARED!!!

BRING IT.

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SmokinMax

Discussion Starter · #32 · Oct 7, 2003

big dipper

back on what you earlier said about the guy on the edge site and the spike well that was me so i knew for sure that was a spike on my run...dont know about anyone elses...

my runs were on a dynojet this weekend i may hav ethe oppertunity to dyno on the same dyno piers has so i can let you know what i make on it with the same combo....

ill try to get somewhere on here to get some pictures of the stacks does anyone know where i can post them easy? let meknow

thanks kyle Edited by: SmokinMax

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Got Juice?

· #33 · Oct 7, 2003

ha... i forgot... i have a cheapo logitec cam ...bad quality, but you'll get the idea

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Mackin

· #34 · Oct 7, 2003

I took my truck out tonight with FRESH tranny (again) and my seat tells me I'm 600 plus plus ......

No dissrespect ..
Juice in what gear did you dyno ?? At what point did the dyno load ??

Mac

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Got Juice?

· #35 · Oct 7, 2003

Mackin said:
I took my truck out tonight with FRESH tranny (again) and my seat tells me I'm 600 plus plus ......

No dissrespect ..
Juice in what gear did you dyno ?? At what point did the dyno load ??

Mac

Dynoed in 4th ..locked up... started the run at 2300 rpms and finished at 3100

dyno load???? what is that?

Got Juice?

· #36 · Oct 7, 2003

Got Juice? said:
Mackin said:

I took my truck out tonight with FRESH tranny (again) and my seat tells me I'm 600 plus plus ......

No dissrespect ..
Juice in what gear did you dyno ?? At what point did the dyno load ??

Mac

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Dynoed in 4th ..locked up... started the run at 2300 rpms and finished at 3100

dyno load???? what is that?

all my 'control ' trucks were proved to be accurate. they were within 5 hp.

i still see no spike on the dynograph though

Got Juice?

· #37 · Oct 7, 2003

you will need to call Piers Harry, or Jason Burton or Eric wagner or..... the spectators at the event to get it all bud.... it may seem a little unbelievable, but a no boost launch will light the tires thru 1st second and third gears. that does not mean anything, but this is probably the most sophisticated dyno out there at present time, and no slippage on the rollers like a mustang or a dynojet. The slippage on those over 500 RWHP is well documented , as i have had 'guests' in the box to keep it on the rollers before!

But on this beast..... no ballast is required.

CPMac

· #38 · Oct 7, 2003

Got Juice did you make more than one run at the hp level in question because the control truck you mentioned and your other runs unstacked seemed like they should be accurate.

First Diesel if you are referring to me that is fine. I don't mind critisism from someone that admits they know nothing about the subject at hand. I wasn't trying to bash Got Juice only trying to find out if he also thought there was an error in the reading. I'm not here to fight with anyone only to give and take information. I would buy the exact same setup if it makes that much hp and I know a lot of other people would to. I just hate to see 200 people call bullydog and edge tomorrow to order this combo to later find out that there was something wrong.

CPMac

· #39 · Oct 7, 2003

First Diesel in the 2nd picture is that 2 separate dyno runs or a tq curve and a hp curve on the same sheet?

Got Juice?

· #40 · Oct 7, 2003

CPmac.... i only made 1 run like this, as there were other trucks waiting in line... the event started at 8:00 am and did not end until 9:00 pm.

However, both control trucks were ahead and behind me, so i believe the run to be valid. I also did not want to risk my tranny at that HP level, as i towed a 5er down to the event, and really wanted to get home unbroken.

As you can see, there is no spike that i can see

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