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I bought it when they had it on clearance from $18.00 per qt down to $4.xx per qt.
With this, I feel you get what you pay for since it turned my fuel filter from the normal changing in time to turning to a heavy gray haze coating my filter and blocking my much needed fuel to my little 6.5:rolleyes: .

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I aready posted this and have been waiting for a response from someone who is already using it. I have only ran it in one tank of fuel so far with no problems yet. How often were you using it and for how long? What exactly was in the fuel filter? Did the filter catch the water or let it pass through it? Did you have any drivability problems? Can you show some pics. of the filter cut open. I will stop using this product for now. I had plans of using it once in a while to be rid of any water in the tank, sound like this may also be a bad idea.
 

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My understanding is anything with alcohol in it is not recommended by GMC .
 

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Puffer;1561024; said:
My understanding is anything with alcohol in it is not recommended by GMC .
I agree with you there. How do you know this stuff has alcohol? Maybe I missed something:( . It says it's an organic chemical compound, but nothing about alcohol. I had just never had a filter come out with a gray film on it, just the usual darkening that can not be wiped away.
If you know more about this stuff, let me know as I have stopped using it as well. I went back to the Lucas and the Stanadyne additives.

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woodchuck2;1560922; said:
I aready posted this and have been waiting for a response from someone who is already using it. I have only ran it in one tank of fuel so far with no problems yet. How often were you using it and for how long? What exactly was in the fuel filter? Did the filter catch the water or let it pass through it? Did you have any drivability problems? Can you show some pics. of the filter cut open. I will stop using this product for now. I had plans of using it once in a while to be rid of any water in the tank, sound like this may also be a bad idea.
Sorry I did not catch your post.
I have gone through about 2.5 bottles since I bought it and have never had such a gray film on my filter. It would wipe away using your finger, but still leave a residue, almost aluminum like. I just felt it was not good for fuel flow. I just changed my filter again tonight and it was better after changing back to my usuals, but still had a little bit of gray film as I still had a full tank of fuel(with that crap in it) when I changed it last.
I guess that is what I get for trying to change out to something cheaper for the time being.
I have not cut them open, but did save them for future reference and showed them to a couple mechs and they had not seen anything like it either.
I will try to take pics one of these days when it's warmer out. It was bad enough changing the oil and fuel filter out in the 14* temps outside.:(

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WOODCHUCK2 ,I will stop using this product for now. I had plans of using it once in a while to be rid of any water in the tank, sound like this may also be a bad idea.


I assumed he had read the content label understanding that it would remove water from the tank , so the only conclusion I came to was that it contained alcohol which would blend the water with the fuel .
 

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Puffer;1561360; said:
WOODCHUCK2 ,I will stop using this product for now. I had plans of using it once in a while to be rid of any water in the tank, sound like this may also be a bad idea.


I assumed he had read the content label understanding that it would remove water from the tank , so the only conclusion I came to was that it contained alcohol which would blend the water with the fuel .
Puffer,
Not to sound dumb(but it may:p: ), Is alcohol the only thing that will remove water from fuel? I am far from a mechanic by a long shot, nor a chemist so essentially I am learning alot here. I am going to go to KINETIC's web site, if they have one, as they are the producers of this stuff out of Youngstown, NY and see if they have a list of what they put in this stuff.

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Mark
 

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I would report this back to the company! See what they say. Sorry to hear the problem.
 

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I called the manufacturer and they said it does have alcohol in it but wouldnt tell me what kind other than it will not harm the seals or o-rings. I have only run about 8-10 ounces so far so i dont beleive anything has been harmed. I was just looking for something to remove the water or keep it from freezing before it reached the filter, and if it got by the filter then have it do no harm to the fuel injection. I guess i will have to find other means of treating the fuel.
 

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Hey Woodchuck2:

Did you ask them about grey film or residue in the fuel filters? They may say it is normal. Just curious before the product gets a bad rap.
 

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kimagine;1561413; said:
Puffer,
Not to sound dumb(but it may:p: ), Is alcohol the only thing that will remove water from fuel? I am far from a mechanic by a long shot, nor a chemist so essentially I am learning alot here. I am going to go to KINETIC's web site, if they have one, as they are the producers of this stuff out of Youngstown, NY and see if they have a list of what they put in this stuff.

Thanks,
Mark
No, alcohol emulsifies the water, allowing it to pass through the fuel filter and get to the injection pump (this is bad by the way). Products like Stanadyne and some others demulsify the water, allowing the water separator at the fuel filter to trap it and prevent it from reaching the IP. Don't use anything with alcohol in it!
 

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Tutts;1564099; said:
No, alcohol emulsifies the water, allowing it to pass through the fuel filter and get to the injection pump (this is bad by the way). Products like Stanadyne and some others demulsify the water, allowing the water separator at the fuel filter to trap it and prevent it from reaching the IP. Don't use anything with alcohol in it!
Thanks. I'll stick with what I'm used to and not get the crap off the clearance rack again.

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I see this stuff for sale at my local international dealer.. Don't know if its any good!! arm
 

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RI Chevy Silveradoman;1563255; said:
Hey Woodchuck2:

Did you ask them about grey film or residue in the fuel filters? They may say it is normal. Just curious before the product gets a bad rap.
I spoke with them before this post, i may call them again just to see what they say. I do know that they offer no warranty for any damage done to your vehicle. The tech claimed no one offers a warranty like that and no truck or deisel manufacturer recommends any kind of fuel additive. I will keep everyone posted on my results so no one gets boned.:sheephump
 

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I guess i will have to find other means of treating the fuel.

I have used Howes Lubricator for 33 years now in both on and off road iron. Never had a problem. Just found out the other day United Van Lines with 6700 tractors uses it exclusively.Get it only at truckstops or write/call to Howes. ''You go or Howes pays the tow''
 

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I sent another E-mail to this company two days ago, and I still haven't heard back from them regarding what happened to the fuel filter and the grayish residue on the inside. As soon as I get it back, I'll post it. They are not so quick this time around.
 

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K-100

I received a response today from K100 Fuel Additive regarding the greyish substance that was found inside the fuel filter. I will post it for all to read.

To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: K100 Diesel Fuel Treatment

Hello:

I inquired about your diesel fuel treatment product a few weeks ago. Several people have tried the product out. The question I have is does the fuel treatment turn the fuel filters grey? The people who have tried the product have stated that their fuel filters have a grayish colored film on the fuel filter element. Is this normal? Does this grayish substance clog the filter? Your help will be greatly appreciated in this matter.


Jeff,
I really have no idea how to respond, but let’s see if we can figure it out. K 100 will dissolve accumulated gums and varnishes in an older fuel tank. These gums often impart a browning or yellowish tint but only have a color, not a substance. We’ve never seen grey. Trapped in the gums are hard particles or skeltons from dead microbes. When the gums are dissolved these hard particles flow to the fuel filter. Microbes are blackish, but generally appear in the filters as a gooey mass. Rust would appear as browning metal flakes. These things will clog a filter. In fact we tell agricultural customers to anticipate changing filters after a few hours.

Are we just dealing with a grey color on the filter material or is there some substance to it- flakes, small particles (sand), gooey mass, or what?

You said you noticed a grey color to the fuel filter. Is this one of the clear bowl type filters or did you cut apart the canister type.

You said you had a number of people using K 100.

Did they all have the same kind of equipment?

Were they all of similar age?

Did they all fuel from the same supplier?

What is the color of your supplier’s new ULTRA Low Sulfur Fuel—different suppliers are using different color dyes so they can tell one batch from another at the terminal.

Did all your users experience the same coloration?

Did everybody start with a clean filter before using K 100, or are we dealing with some accumulation before K 100?

Can you send us one of these grey filters?

Sorry I can’t specifically answer your question. We’ve learned that fuel is not a commodity and that there are variations between one supplier and another.

Tim


What does everyone think? Can anyone who had problems with the product respond to this E-mail to K100 and see what they have to say or what they can do?
 

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Trapped in the gums are hard particles or skeltons from dead microbes. When the gums are dissolved these hard particles flow to the fuel filter.

What a load of crap. I used to work in a Microbiology lab and have 2 university degrees in Microbiology, and I have not seen any microbes that have skeletons. I agree that you can get microbial contamination that can plug up a fuel filter, but it certainly is not hard skeletons. Also, the fuel would have to be sitting in your fuel tank for quite a long time to get microbial growth.
 

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kimagine;1561413; said:
Puffer,
Not to sound dumb(but it may:p: ), Is alcohol the only thing that will remove water from fuel? I am far from a mechanic by a long shot, nor a chemist so essentially I am learning alot here. I am going to go to KINETIC's web site, if they have one, as they are the producers of this stuff out of Youngstown, NY and see if they have a list of what they put in this stuff.

Thanks,
Mark

No. From Detroit Diesel's website.

"When small amounts of water are present, supplemental additives containing methyl carbitol or butyl cellusolve are effective. Follow manufacturer's instructions. Because of it's negative effect on fuel lubricity, the use of isopropyl alcohol is no longer recommended."

Not only does it lower lubricity but it draws the water through your fuel system because it's a emulsifier. You want a demulsifier for a additive that will seperate the water from the fuel so it can either be drained from your tank or collected in the filter/seperator filter and drained therre.
 
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