[bobmcj]

Any info on the Banks system for the LBZ? Heard it was suppose to be out by now but don't see anything on the web.

Just curious. Also figured it would be good for a few laughs on bashing.....I know there isn't a lot of love for them on this forum.

Bob

 

[Duramax88]

It is available now, you have to call them direct.. Banks isnt too big on updating there site.

 

[GMC2500HD]

It is not that there is not a lot of love on here for them, it is that their products are inferior and not up to date if you will. The R&D is not there like it should be. These are my opinions but I take these from others as well who went to banks and then came back to something else.

 

[gmcya]

I am not a banks fan for a few reasons. First this reason:

their products are inferior and not up to date if you will. The R&D is not there like it should be

They seem to put more time and effort into advertising and "hype" than the actual product.
Second, personal experience. I have friends who have purchased the complete banks kits and saw little gains(compared to the price). One is a 99 PSD full banks bolt on system and my LBZ, stock, gave him hell. Street legal nite at the track and the big banks "stickers"(50 hp alone) get their a**es handed to them constantly by the mix-n-match guys. For the price of a banks system on my truck I could have just a suncoast tranny,lift pump, and EFI which will consistently run faster.
I am not knocking them for their products as you will see a gain over stock, but for the price you could do better putting it together yourself. I will say this, when one of them had a problem banks stepped up to the plate and corrected the problem no questions asked.
opinions are like a**h***s everybody's got one and that is mine

 

[Scotty Seelen]

It is not that there is not a lot of love on here for them, it is that their products are inferior and not up to date if you will. The R&D is not there like it should be. These are my opinions but I take these from others as well who went to banks and then came back to something else.

That is the complete opposite of what is true. By the way, I ran a 1999 PSD 7.3L with a 100hp Superchips and edged him out with mine stock. So matching a Banks equipped 7.3L and a stock LBZ doesn't say too much. The 7.3L is a slug, with you having 125hp on him from the get-go.

 

[jbd59]

That is the complete opposite of what is true. By the way, I ran a 1999 PSD 7.3L with a 100hp Superchips and edged him out with mine stock. So matching a Banks equipped 7.3L and a stock LBZ doesn't say too much. The 7.3L is a slug, with you having 125hp on him from the get-go.

I totally agree. Besides, when's the last time you heard of a Six Gun shutting your engine off at randome like the Edge? Or frying the ECU program while uploading a like some of the hand helds out there? I'll go with Banks every time.

 

[jaymeangreen]

heres another side to this story. when i started looking for some extra hp for my truck , i too read how banks was junk ,overpriced ,"go with edge" (long before i learned of vendor/ forum relationships) so i bought an edge.biggest piece of ***t i ever had. 4months of problems and i now have a banks system which works flawless. not so much as a hiccup.

 

[gmcya]

Believe me I personally know the 7.3 is not fast without heavy modding .
To quote myself

I am not knocking them for their products as you will see a gain over stock, but for the price you could do better putting it together yourself.

The original question was for the banks "system" . To me that includes more than just the programmer.

 

[LWATSON]

I had the 6-gun with speedloader on my 03, It was a really good setup. As far as how much power it added, It gave my tranny more than it could handle. Before the 6-gun I had an ottomind 70 hp with a big head, I raced a lly with an Edge Juice. The guy said he had it on 90 hp setting or so. I left him like he was tied to a stump. I told him to turn it up and try again he said his egt's got to high on the high settings. So I would say I got allot of bang for the buck with my ottomind.

 

[Banks Power]

Harold Johnson

I work for Banks and just wanted to add an update to this thread. Our Six-Gun and PowerPDA for the '06-07 LLY-LBZ will be available to ship somewhere between 2/15 and 2/20. We've just completed our competitive testing (0-60's, dyno, quarter mile etc...) and will be making an official product/sales release in the next week. Our top horsepower number is 140 h.p. and 250 lb/ft of torque. We made more than 50 quarter mile passes at the Fontana Speedway (same park where they run the California 500) comparing to the Edge Juice and we consistently won by about 1/2 second. Another nice feature was that our smoke output was a thin wisp at tip-in which is barely visible. The Edge Juice smoked very heavily. We're big advocates of promoting diesel in the U.S. and work directly with companies such as Bosch, GM etc...to see to the success of future diesel. If diesel is going to become mainstream (smaller trucks, passenger cars etc...) smoke is going to have to be reduced for the average public to buy into it. We believe in big power and big power gains but the best way to do it is with less smoke.

We compare each product at the top setting which makes the PPE very hard to test because we're uncomfortable with egt's going as high as 1650 to 1700 degrees. Peter Treydte who normally posts on this forum will post a full report of our testing and our methods in the next week.


GMCYA

I appreciate your concern with how we spend our time. Please be assured we have 40 engineers and their driving focus is to bring product to market which fits, performs, lasts, doesn't set codes, sounds good and makes optimal power with out dumping huge amounts of unburned fuel out the tailpipe. We have hundreds of thousands of Chevy Diesel Systems in the field since we made our first 6.2L Turbo Kit in 1982. I'm glad you brought up racing because that is the fabric of our company. We are working on line of products derived from our race project vehicles which will be available to the general public (Banks Hardcore). Cylinder Heads, Intake Manifolds, Twin-Turbo's etc....will all be a part of this. You'll see much of this available for LB7's, LLY's, LBZ's and the LMM by the middle of the summer. Here is a look at the vehicles I'm referring to.


http://www.bankspower.com/DmaxTypeD.cfm

This vehicle is intended to be the quickest diesel pick-up on the planet. There are vast amounts of updates we will be adding to our site as the truck is now almost ready to race and may make a couple of passes at the NHRA Winternationals in Pomona, CA (Feb.)

http://www.bankspower.com/DmaxTypeR.cfm


We've also recently been named as General Motors exclusive distributor of the Duramax to the Marine Market as well as an On Highway Specialty OEM.

http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/listing.htm


Sorry to be long winded but your comment about the "more time into advertising than into the actual product" is way out of school.

I also disagree with your statement about the price of our products. We're actually priced pretty competitively for what you get. If you're comparing our top of the line system such a Big-Hoss Bundle to a tuner, exhaust and filter on a stick intake we're definitely more expensive. But look at what you get.

http://store.bankspower.com/Categories.aspx?Category=841ee269-af67-483f-ae86-437d9d245947



All of our components are available sold separately as well and are priced competitively.


We're in the process of moving one of our engineers into a full-time web forum participant for forums such as the Diesel Place. It will be an 8-5 job and he will be available to answer questions such a tech, sales, customer service, racing etc. We don't intend to be in your face pushing you on some sort of discount in every thread. I think that has hurt this forum as well as others and I hope it stops. We don't believe in slamming others, just injecting fact into some statements.

I look forward to making our line of "Banks Hardcore" racing parts available to you guys in 2007 and will continue to keep you posted as they make their way through development.

Harold

 

[truckie481]

Now I'm looking forward to mid Feb. for the LBZ goodies. I look forward to reading future posts as I for one favor the Banks set up.

 

[ex3056]

haroldj_aic

RIGHT ON!!! I for one have had nothing but good experience using Banks' products and service, and on more than one vehicle. I look forward to the release of their new equipment but do wish their web site was more current (magazines have only served to whet my appetite with SEMA news)!

 

[KWnotPete]

Hey Banks....In Feb. are you gonna say March like you've done for the last Year.I tried to stay loyal to ya but Damn...I've had 2 06 Chevy's and you still haven't got any product.Other than pipes and air.I have them.Still cant see any result in air intake but (according to Banks) must be my problem.Wish you guys all the luck in the future.You've seen my LAST dollar.

 

[gmcya]

I appreciate your concern with how we spend our time.

You are welcome!
I was simply stating my opinion. I will not comment about a product I have never personally used just because everyone else doesn't like it.

I will say this, when one of them had a problem banks stepped up to the plate and corrected the problem no questions asked.
opinions are like a**h***s everybody's got one and that is mine

I have friends who have purchased the complete banks kits and saw little gains(compared to the price). One is a 99 PSD full banks bolt on system and my LBZ, stock, gave him hell.

Mine was already modded before adding the banks system.
I personally had 0 problems with my banks setup. I simply stated that it was expensive for the performance gains compared to what is available right NOW. The "system" ,as the original poster stated in his inquiry, to me includes ALL of the banks components not just the programmer. The last banks "system" I bought was for a 99 PSD and if I remember correctly was around $5 or $6K. For the same ammount of money for my truck I can get a suncoast stage 4 transmission upgrade, 1057 converter, programmer, and a lift pump. If you can show me that for the same ammount of money that a banks "system" can put down the numbers on the dyno and on the track as my proposed setup and be reliable enough to still pull my camper on the weekends then I will gladly give banks my money again. Last time I checked banks does not include a transmission upgrade so all the HP/TORQUE in the world is useless if you can't put it to the wheels. I am not comparing a LBZ to a 7.3 I am talking about 2 like trucks. If you cannot read my post and comprehend that I did not "bash" banks and glorify another specific product, just simply stated my personal experience and opinion, then please disregard any of my past or future post.

 

[Banks Power]

KWontPete

Please sent Peter Treydte an e-mail at [email protected] and he will be more than happy to address any issue or question you might have. Please tell him who you talked to so we can get that person corrected. The tuner will be out by the dates I've stated and yes it has taken longer than expected. I'm confident that we have a fully tested product (no trouble codes, leading power, no smoke etc...) that will live up to its billing. Some manufactures test on their customers vehicles and then have to recall every tuner they've sold because of a problem. We don't do that.

My personal experience with our Banks Ram-Air went like this. I have an '05 LLY Crew-Cab Short Bed and had our Big-Hoss Bundle on for about a year before we added the Ram-Air. Our LLY Six-Gun on its highest level blows a bit of smoke and after the install the smoke was immediately gone. I spent a good week doing hard accelerations trying to see if this was real and sure enough no smoke. I've driven my truck 46,000 miles and have a pretty sensitive butt and I did definitely see in increase in power. With the reduced smoke I then saw an increase in fuel economy (about .7 miles per gallon) and I drive similar to what you see in the Nextel Cup.

Feel free to pm me as well and we will address you concerns.

Thanks,

Harold

 

[TandC]

It is ABSOLUTELY impossible to produce a product that will satisfied everyone in the Business of performance,it is just like any other market,many personalties,wants,budget.On top of this factor in the safety,Performance,vehicle capacity,durability,etc.GBE may have market the Six-Gun Tuners incorrectly buy focusing only on HP, in its day-view.These are the facts,the PowerPDA has prove to be the most reliable,safe HP available,The features and options available alone are appealing. This is my opinion not Ad campaign.

 

[phaze2phaze]

Like I said before , Banks offers the safest and most reliable product on the market. When I went to the dealer with my Banks on my old truck , NOTHING WAS SAID !!! Why ? because they ( the dealers ) know that Banks will not build a product that will , fry your ecm , trash your tranny , or give false codes that will cause your truck to limp in !
No Banks may not give the top hp / torque gains , but my truck will keep running w/out having to poure more $$$ into it just to keep it on the road.

BYE , BYE , Juice , Predetor, Bully Dog.......and so on

 

[JoshH]

Harold, would you care to share what kind of 1/4 mile times you achieved with the 6 gun? I would be very interested to see how it compares to the edge. I know my truck gained about 170hp at the rear wheels with the edge on level 6, and before lift pumps with running out of fuel issues I managed a 14.16 in the 1/4.

 

[DuramaxxedLBZ]

I was interested highly in going with banks but I was informed by Manuel last Aug.-Sep. that it would of been availiable by Nov. at the latest. I waited and tried to hold out but got tired of the wait...Sorry banks but maybe on my next truck you'll get me as a customer unless I find someone close by with your setup to really sell me on your products. The thing I was really looking for was the reputation that you all have behind your products plus the assurance that I probably wouldn't have any issues with it. But time is a precious thing to waste, not saying you guys wasted time, I just got tired of the wait.

 

[astieg]

Holy Censored I just read a novel... Love my Banks and the salesman told me that changing out my aftercooler is a waste of money unless I did alot of hilly' driving. Got the big head and can't wait to boost 30psi.... No problems with the system at all as long as I play by the rules, no shifting between 4-5 in level 5-6 and watch those steep grades on 4. Like what was stated It put down more ponnies than the stock alli can handle at times. There are alot of 'fail-safes' built into the banks that are not in other systems..... See that damn novel got me started....:wtf: