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I have the Banks Power PDA (Six Gun and Speed Loader).

I'd like to increase my boost. I've seen an adjustable system and I've been reading about the Boost Stick.

Is the Boost Stick compatible with the Banks system?
 

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Good morning Loader I was wondering the same thing. I just got off of the phone with John Navve @ BANKS and forgot to ask. How do you like the PDA? Is or does it compare to the others?

thanks Shawn
 

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I can't see any reason they wouldn't work together.
 

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Good morning Loader I was wondering the same thing. I just got off of the phone with John Navve @ BANKS and forgot to ask. How do you like the PDA? Is or does it compare to the others?

thanks Shawn
Good Morning! I mean Good Afternoon! i just realized it's lunchtime already!

So far I really like the Power PDA. I hated that ugly switch. The system was so easy to install I kept rechecking to make sure I'd done everything! I also like being able to set the system to "stock" and take the PDA with me so nobody else can boost it. I'm going to suggest to Banks that they put in a disable function - that way, no PDA then the truck won't start. That would help keep it where I park it!

I don't know how they all compare as far as performance. Banks wants to think they're the safest as far as longevity. I do know that with the stock intake and stock exhaust, it was a dramatic change. At level 2 I saw a 2MPG increase and a real off-line change. At level 6 (forgot I had it up there) coming from a side street it just broke everything loose and kicked the ass-end around while melting the tires (I was trying to get going quickly to match the traffic speed). Scared the crap out of the car coming the other way. I'm glad I was paying attention! My wife wasn't impressed.

In two weeks we're going to strap it to a dyno and test it stock, with the Banks cat-back exhaust, with the Banks exhaust witout the cat, and finally with an intake. We'll see what kind of power it's really making.

Having been a software developer for many years, I tend to test things. I did find a bug and reported it. They said 30-days and a new version will be out. That's another nice thing. For an upgrade, all I have to do is download the file to my home computer, sync my PDA, and the upgrade is complete. I don't have to send anything in to be recalibrated!
 

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Loader,
Here's some of the averages I've seen on the LLY for the Six-Gun w/Speedloader..
level 3 +55hp
level 5 +100hp
level 6 +125hp
 

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Loader,
Here's some of the averages I've seen on the LLY for the Six-Gun w/Speedloader..
level 3 +55hp
level 5 +100hp
level 6 +125hp

Interesting. Where is the 155hp they claim? I suppose that must be at the crank?

We'll see what it does without the cat and with the intake opened up. I may put in a dump tube to see what that nets.

Thanks!
 

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Interesting. Where is the 155hp they claim? I suppose that must be at the crank?

We'll see what it does without the cat and with the intake opened up. I may put in a dump tube to see what that nets.

Thanks!
The 155hp is for the LB7. Check out their website for claims on the LLY. I believe it's about 126hp.
 

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It is compatible,but we do not recommend anything over 32PSI MAX for a sustained period,also you can get better results with a stack.The problem with stacking is some just cannot stop,Than it just a matter of time before the $$$ shows it ugly head.
 

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Loader - do you have your EGR blocked off? I am starting the process of upgrading my stock truck. Blocking the EGR and a banks PDA are high on the list, just want to make sure they work together....
 

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Loader - do you have your EGR blocked off? I am starting the process of upgrading my stock truck. Blocking the EGR and a banks PDA are high on the list, just want to make sure they work together....
Hang tight! My dyno time is scheduled for a week from Saturday. The Finger stick is on it's way and I'll make the blockoff plate this weekend.

Although another web site has offered to pay for my writeup, I'm still going to post results here in this forum.

This week I'm doing tranny slippage tests.
 

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It is compatible,but we do not recommend anything over 32PSI MAX for a sustained period,also you can get better results with a stack.The problem with stacking is some just cannot stop,Than it just a matter of time before the $$$ shows it ugly head.

Thanks, but I have no idea what a stack is. I'll see if I can find something in the archives. My assumption is that you're talking about using some programmer with the Banks system, but Banks tech support told me to behave myself and not do that.
 

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Loader - do you have your EGR blocked off? I am starting the process of upgrading my stock truck. Blocking the EGR and a banks PDA are high on the list, just want to make sure they work together....
The PDA is pretty cool so far. I can't seem to leave it alone while I'm driving (I keep switching the gauges around so I can monitor all kinds of things going on).

I offered to test for them, but they turned me down. But, I showed them as I found a software bug! I reported it and they're working on it now. They called me last night to get more details.

Pretty cool that they'd jump on something that fast - and that the updated software can be downloaded and transferred to the PDA the moment it is available!

I'm going to offer that service to people around here that don't feel comfortable with it, but if you can download and play a video clip you can do software upgrades to your Banks PDA.
 

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The 155hp is for the LB7. Check out their website for claims on the LLY. I believe it's about 126hp.
You're right - I dug out my brochures.

For the LB7, they show a base of 163 HP and total increase of 155 HP to 318 HP. Torque went from 458 up 385 to 843 lb-ft.

For the LLY, it's 229 + 124 = 353 HP and 445 + 303 = 748 lb-ft

GM said the LLY was good for 510 for a torque number, not 445!

We'll see. This Duramax is going to take on a Mustang in less than 2 weeks.
 

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You're right - I dug out my brochures.

For the LB7, they show a base of 163 HP and total increase of 155 HP to 318 HP. Torque went from 458 up 385 to 843 lb-ft.

For the LLY, it's 229 + 124 = 353 HP and 445 + 303 = 748 lb-ft

GM said the LLY was good for 510 for a torque number, not 445!

We'll see. This Duramax is going to take on a Mustang in less than 2 weeks.
Loader,
You're right, a "stack" is a module and a programmer combined. Some work well with others, and some don't. The Banks Six-Gun is designed to be used only by itself. The numbers represented above by Banks are at the rear wheels. Typically, on these Duramax trucks, you can expect a 50-60 hp and 60-70 tq loss through the drivetrain.
 

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You're right - I dug out my brochures.

For the LB7, they show a base of 163 HP and total increase of 155 HP to 318 HP. Torque went from 458 up 385 to 843 lb-ft.

For the LLY, it's 229 + 124 = 353 HP and 445 + 303 = 748 lb-ft

GM said the LLY was good for 510 for a torque number, not 445!
GM was showing 610 lbft for a stock LLY in '05...
...unless you were talking about about RWT
 

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Do you have any pics of how you have the PDA mounted in your cab? You can email me if you dont feel like posting them. PM me for my email (trying to prevent more spam from posting email address).

Also, what was the bug you found?

I have been looking at the banks website, but they dont have a lot of info on the PDA setup (cradle installation, what info the PDA provides on your truck).

I have a Sony palm pilot and my wife has the E2, so we are very familiar with the palm. People laugh at me becuase I found an easy way to rip Simpsons episodes from TV and play them back on my palm. Great for layovers at the airport. Banks offers the PDA setup minus the E2, incase you already own one, that is one reason why this setup is attractive to me. Plus I have bluetooth GPS set up on my palm, which would add mapping, routing and added power all on one device (which I already own)!
 

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GM was showing 610 lbft for a stock LLY in '05...
...unless you were talking about about RWT
You're right. I was combining numbers as I remembered (guess not!) the 2004 brochure. It read "310 HP" I believe and torque on the original LLY was in the 500's.
 

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Do you have any pics of how you have the PDA mounted in your cab? You can email me if you dont feel like posting them. PM me for my email (trying to prevent more spam from posting email address).

Also, what was the bug you found?

I have been looking at the banks website, but they dont have a lot of info on the PDA setup (cradle installation, what info the PDA provides on your truck).

I have a Sony palm pilot and my wife has the E2, so we are very familiar with the palm. People laugh at me becuase I found an easy way to rip Simpsons episodes from TV and play them back on my palm. Great for layovers at the airport. Banks offers the PDA setup minus the E2, incase you already own one, that is one reason why this setup is attractive to me. Plus I have bluetooth GPS set up on my palm, which would add mapping, routing and added power all on one device (which I already own)!
You're exacly right - if you already own a Tungsten E2, then will take $225 (or $250, I forget) off the price. I supplied my own as they were on sale at Circuit City for $174!!

I will give you one warning about the Banks PDA. The first thing you need to set is the Audible Warning volume. I didn't know it was adjustable. I hooked up the system sans EGT probe. The alarm went off as it thought my EGT's were over 1600 and let me tell you it went right through me and I almost stained my seat!

The Audible Alarm will go off for Engine Coolant Temp, Engile Oil Temp, Engine Tuner Code, Exhaust Gas Temp, and Trans Temp. If any of those parameters go into the danger zone, there will be no question in your mind that there is an emergency and you'll want to drive into the nearest tree just to make that horrific noise stop! So, set the volume to medium until you get used to it!


I don't have pictures yet, but I'll work on that this weekend for ya. Cool?

Here are the displayable functions that you'll have:

EGT and Boost pressure are always displayed. So is the Current Power Level (1-6) and the System Status (hopefully it is always OK so you don't have to hear that damn alarm!). There are three options as to how you want things displayed - Vertical, Horizontal, or line graph (looks like a dyno chart). There are supposedly other display interfaces that are downloadable but I haven't tried that yet.

Here are the optional functions you can display (you choose two from this list and can change either or both at any time):

  • Power Added (%)
  • Engine Coolant Temp
  • Trans Fluid Temp
  • Engine Oil Temp
  • Engine RPM
  • Vehicle Speed
  • Transmission Slip (RPM) - Automatic only
  • Torque Converter Status (TCC - locked or unlocked)
  • Gear
  • Throttle Position (you can use this to verify when your foot is on the floor are you at 100% or not - do this with the key ON and the engine OFF please!)
  • Engine Load
  • Barometric Pressure
  • Intake Air Temperature
The Intake Air Temp (IAT) I've found interesting. I ran one day with the grille cover on. IAT was 113. I took it off and it was 53 (I think it was 45 out that day). This verifies to me that (a) the grille cover does indeed keep heat under the hood, and (b) that if I'm wanting to keep incoming air temps down to create power then I should take that grille cover off!

You can also read your codes, clear your codes, do 0-60, 1/8-mile and1/4 mile times, and save these runs for later reference.

You can also adjust some things like:
  • fuel delivery based on coolant temp,
  • when the EGT limiting comes in (1350? 1400? 1600? How hot to you want to let things get?)
  • You can tell it how long to wait to correct the EGT - like if I set it for 1400, do I want it to react when 1400 is read or wait 1 second then react?
  • acceleration fueling characteristics
  • fuel tuning based on transmission shifting (if you're over-fueling, maybe you'd like to back off some while the tranny changes gears?)
  • and you can configure those damn alarms as to when they will scare the hell out of you
Oh, and one other luxury that's pretty cool: Now that I sync with the calendar on my computer, I can drag myself out to the truck, start it up, look at the PDA and it'll tell me what appointments I'm going to miss if I don't get my ass going. Then I touch the Banks icon that was installed when I loaded the software, and it takes over from there. I say "touch" and not "tap" 'cause the touch-screen programming works with all the Banks stuff - you don't have to use that little pencil/pen thing that fell down between my seat and the center console.

Yeah, I saw some of the GPS stuff. It was pretty cheap and would probably be cool to have that handy but I can get good and lost with my paper maps and don't need an electronic device to help me get lost - I might be tempted to throw it out the window for helping me get so damn lost!

I guess that wouldn't be so bad 'cause then that damn alarm would be going off so it'd be real easy to find it in the weeds!
 

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Loader - thanks for all the info, I need to re-read your post a few times to extract all the info from it.

Big Max - thanks for the pics. How does that cradle install in / on the dash? Did you have to drill any holes in the trim?

I have the extended warranty on mine, and I want to make sure I can pull out whatever I put in and make her look bone stock incase I need to fully excersize that warranty...
 
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