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Well the time has come that I ask for a little help. If you have been following the "100% Useless Garbage" thread, then you know that an air filter study is on its way. As of now the pace for preparation is ahead of schedule, but I need some help. So far all expenses have been out of my own pocket. A couple have offered some assistance but here is what I really need.


KEEP IN MIND....ALL materials requested will only be borrowed and will be returned undamaged. If a filter is donated, the only thing that will happen to it is it will have a lot of air flowed through it and it will be weighed. After it has been tested it you will have data on your filter and some info that will hopefully help you decide what kind of filter you will want to use for your vehicle.


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(1) New UNI filters, Atleast 2, never used, in the packaging if possible.


(2) New OE paper filters, Atleast 2 for testing, never used.


(3) A scale accurate to .01 of a gram, electronic or tripple beam balance.


If you think you may be able to help with this effort, please reply or PM me with the details. THANK YOU for your interest and help!! SPICEREdited by: SPICER
 

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Spicer- I have a UNI in the box never used I will let you use. Send me your shipping address and I will let it fly.
 

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1822, Thank You for offering, and you have a PM awaiting with the address. This will help a ton.


To anyone, regarding the scale needed, even if you don't have one but have a tip or lead for me to follow, it would be appreciated. This will undoubtedly be the hardest acquisition. SPICER
 

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i may try and do this test too. i have an extra stock airbox, Dillon reloading scale which will read in Grains and grams, and UNI filters on the way. i'll just need to buy a couple stock filters which i don't mind..
 

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i may try and do this test too. i have an extra stock airbox, Dillon reloading scale which will read in Grains and grams, and UNI filters on the way. i'll just need to buy a couple stock filters which i don't mind..

Are you implying sending me these items or doing the test yourself? If you are offering this for the study, please let me know! I just don't know if that is what you meant. If you are offering, PM me and I will get you an address.


Your scale, what is its capacity and accuracy? I need about 500 gram capacity and .01 gram accuracy. Having troubles finding one. Thanks!!!
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Spicer,


I may be able to borrow one from work. I'm not sure how sensitive it is but I'll look into it. Plus it'll be easy to get to your house
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I may be able to borrow one from work. I'm not sure how sensitive it is but I'll look into it. Plus it'll be easy to get to your house
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Hey Rick! Wondering where you've been! We need to get together soon, I want some tailgate straps!!


I,ve been searching the net for scales. A 500-600 gram capacity at .01 gram sensitivity is hard to find! .1 grams just won't cut it I don't think. I've seen plenty of 50-300 gram capacity for a decent price. I think our filters may be more than this but not sure. I've found a couple that fit the criteria but WAY out of budget, like $600
I'll keep looking, appreciate any help, and nice to see your handle pop up again. SPICER
 

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Arlen,


I'm not sure how sensitive it is, but I'll take a look tomorrow to see what's it's good for.


Where've I been? Busy selling these straps. Thanks to a member here I found out that they fit Avalanche's as well so a new market has opened up for me.


Also I have a new invention brewing. A digital vacuum/pressure gauge with a remote sensor for the fuel systems. Why the remote sensor? It would allow for in cab mounting for daily driving/monitoring yet no risk of leaking since it can be plumbed directly to the filter head.
 

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spicer - actually i would probably do both, but i have to check the max on my scale as it MAY not go high enough. i just don't know until i get back home on Mar. 8th. will let you know.
 

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Why not just run a heppa filter behind the filter your testing. Weigh it after the test.

You can have my cut to pieces (destroy the evidence) uni filter. Maybe uni saved the pieces? Give them a call.
I hear the president is real nice and easy to work with.
 

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Diesel Power, thank you for any help and I will be looking foreward to hearing from you.


PC, actually a HEPA filter would work, but a secure, airtight seal must be made. A post filter will be used, and HEPA element(similar to paper media) will be considered. The media, regardless of my final choice, must be cut to fit. Regular paper filters, cut and opened up, then unfolded and laid flat have proven to work in the past.


RICK, sounds like you are doing well, and I hope to see you around soon. SPICER
 

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Im not sure Kennedy will like the "results" of your test.
For that matter neither will UNI or K&N. I want a copy of the results so I can send them Certified mail to the Uni prez.

Denial, its not just a river in Egypt.
 

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1822, Thank You for offering, and you have a PM awaiting with the address. This will help a ton.


To anyone, regarding the scale needed, even if you don't have one but have a tip or lead for me to follow, it would be appreciated. This will undoubtedly be the hardest acquisition. SPICER
SPICER, if you live close to a college, maybe you could run the sample over to their chemistry department, they should have very accurate scales that will do the job.
 

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Spicer,


Well when you're near ready to fire up or need a hand give me a holler.
 

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Spicer,


I have a Napa(WIX) replacement paper filter that has not been used yet. If you would like, I can send it with the airbox. It looks like it may be next week before I can get to UPS with the box anyway. Just let me know.
 

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flhrciblueice, actually the napa filter would be nice. The more filters I can look at the better. I do want to test another paper filter outside of the OEM, so please do send it.


keystonekid, I may be forced to do that, but all those miles on my truck with an unproven air filter!!!



Victory Red, I will let you know, and it would be a good excuse to get together again.


As for the test stand, it is ahead of schedule. I will build a roof for it and awaiting an airbox and filters from those offering them. I will begin looking at post filter media today(probably air filter paper or HEPA media). I do appreciate everyones help, and hopefully the results will be enlightening and educational.


I do still need a few more filters and a scale, 500-600 gram capacity accurate to 1/100th of a gram, all material and equipment will be returned!!! SPICER
 

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Spicer,


I have a used K&N. I also have a brand new K&N upper lip gasket. I will through in a brand new ACDELCO PAPER. You can keep all items. PM me with your address. As far as the scale goes I do not think you will find a reloading scale that goes much above 50-65 grams or 2.5 oz. I use to know lots of people with scales in my younger days. Go down to the cop shop and see if they will lone or sell you a confiscated left over? You know some law enforcement agents don't you?
 

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I have a used K&N. I also have a brand new K&N upper lip gasket. I will through in a brand new ACDELCO PAPER. You can keep all items. PM me with your address. As far as the scale goes I do not think you will find a reloading scale that goes much above 50-65 grams or 2.5 oz. I use to know lots of people with scales in my younger days. Go down to the cop shop and see if they will lone or sell you a confiscated left over? You know some law enforcement agents don't you?
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Bronco, thanks for the offer for the filter and K&N sealer. I was just reformulating my notes and added that I will ensure the seal on all test filters to ensure that all air flow is filtered/not bypassed. This filter seal you have will atleast help me refine my plan. I will PM you, thanks again!

Regarding a scale, you are right. The only .01 gram scales capable of >200 grams are WAY too expensive. I just reviewed my expenses and I DO NOT WANT TO BUY A SCALE!!!!

Greg from Lube Specialists is sending me a tripple beam balance to use. So here is my idea.......
I will use the tripple beam for weighing all filters before and after, accurate to 1/10th of a gram.
I will use a more accurate 1/100th of a gram scale for the post-filters. A scale of this accuracy can be found MUCH EASIER if it only needs 100gram capacity or so. In fact, a 50 gram scale will probably work. SO.........

<font size="5">Does anyone have a 1/100th gram scale, 50-100 gram capacity?</font>
Eagerly awaiting, but a big thanks to Greg at Lube Specialists for offering the tripple beam.

Using 2 scales will not influence the results. All filters will be weighed before and after with the same scale AND all post-filters will be weighed before and after with a different, more accurate scale. Will Work FINE!!!!!
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I found the post-filter media I've been looking for.....My new furnace has a HEPA air filter. They sell replacements that consist of a big folded accordian of HEPA paper in a box. The old filter frame is saved and the new paper is installed. I will get the price tomorrow, but this will be a neutral and very efficient media used to capture that which our air filters miss. AND, it sure beats tearing new filters apart for their paper!
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p.s. I may rename this post "air filter testing" since that is what we are talking about. I think I can do that. I will wait for a day to prevent losing someone in the process.
 
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