there was an offroad show here this past fall where that had a mud pit tug of war, it was priety exciting to watch, there were a wide varay of rigs there, the ones that came out of it ok(under there own power) were the stock ones, the ones with lift and big tires tore the **** out of stuff, from ball joings to U joints to transfer cases........the "eliminator" was an 86 chev half ton, all stock with 31in at's, it broke everything it went up against