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2003 No Start, FPRV??

13K views 7 replies 4 participants last post by  hoppsxc140  
#1 ·
Hello everyone, I've lurked around here for quite some time, learning as much as a i can, never really been able to contribute that much. Over the last year or so I've had an issue recently with my truck taking a long time to start. It would take between 7 to 30 seconds of cranking. It seemed like it was losing prime as the primer was always soft. I sent it to the dealer back in march to have the injectors tested with 102617 miles. They came back in great condition and dealer suggested a new filter head and hoses from the filter to the tune of $1089.00. I replaced the hoses myself as I had done the MA filter rebuild before sending it in. The problem has gotten worse through the summer. Thursday I installed an AirDog 100 hoping that the added pressure would show where the leak was coming from. It helping in that it would get it started, drove about 6 miles to Home Depot and wouldn't start when i wanted to head home. Onstar gave me a code of P1093 low rail pressure. Reading and researching it sounds like the Relief valve isn't a big issue on these trucks as much as the later versions. i disconnected the FPR on the back of the CP3 to try and get it to give max pressure and still could not get it to start. This morning i disconnected the return line to see how much fuel was returning to the tank.




This is where I disconnected the return line. The following picture is the amount of fuel after one minute of the Airdog running with the key in the on position.





This is the amount of fuel after cranking for 10 seconds.





Does this look like an unusual amount to be getting returned? I can't seem to find a part number for just the relief valve itself. I have been able to find the entire distribution block that the valve is attached too. I'm not opposed to just going to a plug and plugging it off, but I'd like to try and keep the valve intact if possible. It never smokes or has had the oil level rise indicating any injector issues. I rarely drive the truck but when it runs its like a top. Currently it has 103,598. I can't imagine that since march and only 1000 miles or so it developed an injector issue. I bought the truck with about 55,000 miles on it, put the Banks and exhaust on at about 60,000 miles, the Nicktane at around 75,000 and have been running Optilube every tank since around 90,000 miles.

Long post but i wanted to get plenty of information out there. Trying to get this fixed without throwing money in the wrong direction, any help is appreciated.
 
#2 ·
I would say high return rate on injectors
if its harder to start when warm or warmer temps it will be injectors or a injector
you need to measure the return fuel from each head to confirm which bank is leaking back to much fuel
and the dealership most likely only checked balance rates not return rates as they would have to take apart a few things on the engine to do so
 
#3 ·
Alright thanks i will check into them. It wont start at all and it was 53 this morning.
 
#4 ·
Do you have a scanner or something to monitor rail pressure. I HIGHLY doubt your popoff is bad, if it was you would be filling that bottle cranking ot over. It is normal to not get alot of fuel flow with the engine not running as it has to push through the CP3's gear driven pump. I would have expected to see alot more fuel in your bottle for 10 seconds of cranking though if it was a high return rate problem. Check your rail pressure when it won't start and see what it is building to. You need to see around 1500 PSI before it will start. Start with the basics and go from there, but don't go thrwoing parts at it without DIAGNOSING it. See if your getting rail pressure or not FIRST before you do ANYTHING else.
 
#6 ·
Thanks for the suggestions, picked up an edge to check things out. First image is engine cranking, second is with the regulator disconnected.
I'm no expert but its looking to me that a new CP3 is in order.








Would it hurt anything to install an upgraded pump, say one that is 40% over? I've had the P1093 code with just the banks stuff, and when its time for injectors then I could go slightly oversized there as well? Then a transmission, then EFI live, then . . . .
 
#7 ·
2 things I see. 1st you need to get your cranking RPM's up. Should be around 225-250RPM's during cranking. 2nd you need to do a return rate test and see where the fuel is going. An injector can return to much fuel and cause the same symptoms as a bad CP3. the ONLY way to tell is to do a return rate test, and that test is not done with a scanner.
 
#8 ·
Fixed!!

Just wanted to update this for anyone in the future. I went ahead and replaced the CP3 pump this morning, truck fired right up, actual rail pressure matched desired. I was unable to run another log because I need to get a gasket for the coolant bypass tube. Having to pay for the tow to/from the dealership it made it worth the risk of not having the return rate checked ahead of time. Thanks for everyone's input.