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Old 03-20-2011, 08:52 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This is covered in the FAQ. Basically, no, unless you are willing to completely unlicense the truck for the duration of your time there.
Unless you can remove the second tank and completely remove all traces of it having been plumbed to the engine, the second your truck has the technical ability to consume the dyed fuel you are contrary to the law in most jurisdictions.

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There's too many variations with different localities to make any blanket statements. For that matter, some places don't even use dyed fuel. Here, I can take my semi offroad for a few months and run dyed fuel in it. Thats the only fuel i can get as theirs no public roads in. Here no one cares. And when I get back to the highway, the tank won't be emptied of the dyed fuel, thats just unrealistic.


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i know in the past 6 months i have saved more in fuel than the ticket will be, so even with a fine i would still break under even :P
if your stopped, most places will look at the odometer of your truck and charge you the tax base that you were avoiding . 200k miles , on your odometer can add up fast. you have to disprove their charge, your basically guilty until proven innocent

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well to make your pump retarded, you could let it hang out with me for a day
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:09 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Good write up. Been on both sides of taxed/non taxed use.

I believe the authorities can also impound the suspect vehicles until court date and fines/penalties paid. They usually have a good case to do that.

And in rural/construction areas, the authorities like to check any truck with a slip tank in the back. Such as the cat skinner using the slip tank to fuel the cat he operates, while driving a personnel truck to/from work site.

Lastly, I have noticed in Arizona, commercial trucks more than two axles fuel up at different pumps that charge 12 cents a US Gal. more than "light vehicle" rates. The FJ two blocks away has pumps for single vehicles out front, two lanes of RV, School bus, and EMO vehicle pumps out back (lower price), and farther out back six lanes of commercial pumps. The pumps in front and at the RV island have postings, for diare consequences of use of cheap fuel in commercial vehicle of three or more axles.

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Old 03-21-2011, 07:27 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Frankly I don't understand this whole issue. As stated above there is only a 20 cent difference in price. If you drove the normal average of 12k miles a year and got an average of 15 MPG your annual savings are only going to be $160. Even at 40k a year you are only going to save 500 bucks. And to screw around for a single weekend, really. It just is worth the effort IMO.
If you averaging 15mpg on ULSD, your probably going to end up about 17mpg on LSD.

Ide also like to point out that home heating oil is also dyed red and is not even LSD, its still somewhere around 300ppm or less. So RED does not always= LSD if you dont know where it came from.

Back before the family business( we put together and service fuel oil delivery trucks) got waste oil furnaces, i used to run home heating oil ALL the time in my 6.5L truck, more power, and better mileage than LSD on top of being free. DOT got nasty about dipping tanks around here about the same time we got out first waste oil furnace, so my free fuel went to the wayside.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:26 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I think that you will find that most people that run Off Road (Red Fuel) in their diesel pickups, are usually getting the fuel completely free. I work on a drilling rig here in North Dakota and run red fuel anytime that I'm at work since we get it for free. They average burning through 800-1100 gallons per day so they never miss 20-30 gallons a week. So in my case, i save pretty much 80 bucks a tank. Doesn't take long before it really adds up.
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Do you think they would ever have "resonable cause" to dip the tank in my Yukon XL since there was never a diesel option from the factory?
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Do you think they would ever have "resonable cause" to dip the tank in my Yukon XL since there was never a diesel option from the factory?
Maybe that Allison/Duramax tag above the Yukon XL on your door might just tip them off!
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I think that you will find that most people that run Off Road (Red Fuel) in their diesel pickups, are usually getting the fuel completely free. I work on a drilling rig here in North Dakota and run red fuel anytime that I'm at work since we get it for free. They average burning through 800-1100 gallons per day so they never miss 20-30 gallons a week. So in my case, i save pretty much 80 bucks a tank. Doesn't take long before it really adds up.
Haha, our rig fuel ain't dyed at all only the boiler fuel is dyed.
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awsome writeup breaking it all down for everybody
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I live in Montana and have never been checked, however I winter in Az. where the state has a special group of highway patrol that does randem checks for dyed diesel. Iwas was checked in Bullhead City recently. FYI
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Just checked one of my card lock bills and the difference is 11.5C per liter. The road tax on clear is 14.3 C, but the base on dyed is a bit higher.
I have found it not worth the risk, have been dipped once with no problem. A friend was dipped up north and the sample was send for lab check, it came back with trace amounts of the dye tracer. He was fined and checked with his supplier. ( truck was never filled with dyed diesel!?) They filled his dyed tank was first and the clear next without cleaning the fill hose on the truck. That was enough to fail the test. His supplier paid the fine and explained the issue to the enforcement branch. He avoided a full audit (can go back 7 years as by tax law). This is why I only use card lock as it provides for easy and reliable records incase one does get an audit.

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