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Old 05-24-2016, 06:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Better wheels for my PJ gooseneck..?

I have a '13 28' PJ gooseneck trailer that's been pulled about 14,000 miles. The original tires made it to +/- 10,000, then were replaced with Goodyear G614's. The wheels were never perfectly true before, but have developed a wicked wobble recently. I don't recall hitting anything particularly brutal, but also couldn't swear I haven't.


I had my tire guy pull the wheels yesterday and spin/re-balance them. Three of the four have what I consider to be unacceptable runout, sooo.. I'm gonna have to buy new wheels. It's been theorized that the 14-ply tires, being less likely to give on impact, may have transferred a load to the wheels that the wheels were apparently not able to withstand, and that's what bent them. I don't know if that's the case, but regardless the explanation, I'm certainly not going to drop money on the same wheel, to end up in the same boat 5-10,000 miles from now.


With all the car-hauling guys on here, I know somebody has encountered and solved this same problem before. I've done quite a bit of searching already, but haven't had any luck finding better wheels. The 614's can run 110 psi, so I need a wheel that can tolerate that. They need the 8-on-6.5" bolt pattern, and need to be 16"x6.5".


I've considered the possibility of converting to 17.5" wheels and tires, but would prefer to avoid the added expense right now. When I retire this truck from daily duty, I'll likely have to upgrade the trailer to work with what I have planned for the next truck. I'm not afraid to spend money to make it right, but I don't wanna spend so much I can't afford to sell it in another year or two.

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Old 05-24-2016, 12:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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PJ trailers are pretty cheaply made (no offense) so I'm sure they cheaped out on the wheels, and likely they are not quality made in USA wheels. I have run G614 tires at 110 psi on steel USA wheels and never had a problem. I am currently running the G614s on a set of PYO aluminums which look great and they are forged, so they are incredibly strong. I would look for a set of PYOs or grab a new set of steel wheels rated for 110 psi and made in USA. 17.5" wheels with plate steel centers are indestructible and can be had fairly cheap, but the tires will break the bank.

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Old 05-24-2016, 01:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would look for a set of PYOs...

I have my PYOs! I let a buddy borrow them to mock up the suspension on a crawler, so they're not around.. Out of sight, out of mind - I didn't even consider it!


Can somebody confirm this?! Is there any reason I can't, or shouldn't do this? I had hoped I could find an allow wheel up to the task, but if this works, it's the best solution possible.
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I don't know what other confirmation you want, I have been doing it for thousands of miles. The PYOs aren't exactly a zero offset wheel, so they do tuck in a bit closer to the frame, but I have towed quite heavy with them with no problems.
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I don't know what other confirmation you want...

They won't fit. Too much backspacing - puts the inner sidewall against the spring hanger bolt.

THAT's the kind of confirmation I was looking for.



Rickson makes a 0.5" offset 17.5" steel wheel that's rated for 6,050 lbs - WAY more than necessary, but for $132/each, I'll take the profound peace of mind.

Operating on the "if you go 17.5's, you don't have to buy gold-plated tires anymore" theory, I'm gonna take a gamble on some Hercules H-902 tires that my tire guy recommended. Their site lists max load at 6,005 lbs - also FAR beyond anything they'll ever see, so I think it's a safe gamble. A buddy's gonna give me $1,100 for the $1,400-ish worth of Goodyear G614s, so that's not a total bust. All said and done, I'm gonna be out about $450.


Anybody have anything to say about Hercules tires, even that one in particular?
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I struggled with the tires for my 5th wheel. Finally decided to go big, bought HWT 17.5 wheels and loaded them up with Goodyear G114 17.5's for peace of mind. GY will stand behind blow out damage. I have way more tire capacity than needed for my trailer.
As far as your original question, I know nothing about the Hercules tires............
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