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Old 10-14-2015, 10:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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.......... That's why every 5th wheel has their water tank in the rear, to actually lighten the pin when the tank is full.
Well, maybe not every one......

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Old 10-14-2015, 10:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The 6084 axle rating is what I found on the internet. The axles are standard that came on the truck. If I'm hearing you correctly, the 265 tires at 3415 (times 2) is the hard number I don't want to exceed.
Yes, that is your hard number IMO. The gassers come with different axles on the 2500 vs 3500 and 3500 Dually. But the dmaxes all share the same axle and the numbers I have heard for it's rating are in the 10k range so we will never overload the axle in our trucks. Springs and tires are the difference between a 3500 and and 2500. If you look at the door sticker inside the drivers side door or rear drivers side door you will find the weight rating of the rear end as it was delivered as well as the tire size. There has been some debate on wheels and as I understand it the trucks delivered with the 265 tires did not come with with the PYO aluminum wheels and while nobody has ever been able to confirm the actual weight limits of the factory aluminum wheels there has been discussion to the effect that they are not rated high enough for the 265 tires, but I have never heard of a failure either. So in a nutshell and my opinion (worth every penny you paid for it) is with air bags your safe limit is the weight rating of the tire. And yes I would consider that a HARD limit as overloading a tire causes more sidewall flex and more heat which equals failure (same with an under pressure tire). To get the idea of that, bend a coat hanger back and forth until it breaks and then feel how hot it is. The same goes with tires, if they are overloaded they overheat and boom.

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My plan is to hook the camper up and weigh it unloaded before I buy it. At least I'd have some idea of what I'm dealing with. My goal is to see the maximum pin weight I need to consider before walking away from the deal and considering something on the lighter side.
If its like I'm being told, the unloaded pin weight should be around 1800 lbs. Just guesstmating 500-600 lbs of people, hitch, dogs, fuel and junk, that would put me at 2300 -2400 lbs. making me a little over the door sticker rating of 9200 lbs. The weight police on a camping site went ballistic and said I needed to trade for a 3500 and preferably a dually. I thought, "screw this. I may as well go with a motor home."
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To weigh it before purchase is a good idea.

Rather than the GVWR on the door sticker (9200#), I would be more mindful of the axle rating (about 6100#). Unless you have upgraded the tires and the rims, which I believe are the limiting factors on the axle rating.

After weighing it empty, consider if it is designed so that you can load it to be close to your limits. Consider, how much stuff will go in the basement, how many clothes in the front closet, where the pantry supplies will go, where the water tank is... fore or aft, and if it has a garage to load heavy or light.

Then balance all that with the condition of the roads, condition of the vehicle/combination, against your experience in these matters.

In the end, have an enjoyable safe trip.
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Thanks folks.
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Well, maybe not every one......
Everyone I've seen, even if the fill was on the front. In fact, now that I think about, all the regular trailers I've seen were the same way, water tank on the rear.
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Remember all the pin weight doesn't end up on the rear axle, with a fifth wheel some is distributed toward on the front axle. With good 265 tires youshoul be able to tow just about any fifth wheel that is not overloaded.
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Remember all the pin weight doesn't end up on the rear axle, with a fifth wheel some is distributed toward on the front axle. With good 265 tires youshoul be able to tow just about any fifth wheel that is not overloaded.
Most, but by far not all. Several luxury models, such as the Elite Series by DRV have pin weights close to 4,000 unloaded.
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what I'm gleaning from this and other things Ive read is with 265 tires (mounted on the original aluminum rims) is that the weak link in the chain may be the rims themselves. If that is the case, it would seem at worse, my pin weight limit would be limited to the rating of 245 tires since the aluminum rims would be designed to carry at least amount of weight of the tire rating.
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The rims should have their weigh capacity written or stamped on them somewhere, probably on the inner portion of the wheel.

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