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Old 04-16-2012, 12:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I understand what you guys are saying, but I see tons of people at campgrounds towing with 2500 diesels. I will try to do some figuring and see what I come up with. As far as distance, I might go as far as 500 miles, running 60-65MPH.
If you understand your weights, realize what you are pulling and pull it safely according to the weights, you will be fine. Your 2500 will easily handle a 12,600 pound camper. Whether or not you will be within the weight ratings of the truck is another thing. I'm unaware if drumaniac3000 was using actual numbers, you should check your truck and use those numbers.

I logged over 70,000 miles pulling a 44' enclosed GN race trailer with living quarters. It weighed around 17,000 and had about 3,000 pounds of pin weight loaded. Truck pulled it like a dream, I could lock the cruise at 80mph all day long if I had wanted to.


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Premis..... I like that set up, low profile, length, three axle, all in your favor, and you are using air bags, & etc.

Now to get the RV industry to do the same. The RV makers seem to like the height (wind resistance), fewer axle(s) (cheaper), shorter units (not as stable), less pin weight (broader market), and too much teeter/tooter on the axles . That said, I guess a custom made for a price is the way to go.

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Premis..... I like that set up, low profile, length, three axle, all in your favor, and you are using air bags, & etc.

Now to get the RV industry to do the same. The RV makers seem to like the height (wind resistance), fewer axle(s) (cheaper), shorter units (not as stable), less pin weight (broader market), and too much teeter/tooter on the axles . That said, I guess a custom made for a price is the way to go.
I hear ya, my experience is definitely with a different style trailer. Those race trailers (like mine) are definitely heavier because they are built heavier. They are also more utilitarian, they are built to haul heavy stuff (tools, car, supplies, etc) and the living quarters is an after thought, more of a place to crash. Where as the 5th wheel travel trailers are built more for comfort, less for hauling. Those triple axles sure are nice though. I would recommend them on any decent size trailer.

Wind resistance is huge, more of an issue than weight, IMO. I have a 20' tag trailer also, it pulls harder than the GN and gets about 2mpg worse (11mpg vs 9mpg). I attribute all of that to the trailer profile, the wind comes over the cab and slams into the trailer.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Premis..... I like that set up, low profile, length, three axle, all in your favor, and you are using air bags, & etc.

Now to get the RV industry to do the same. The RV makers seem to like the height (wind resistance), fewer axle(s) (cheaper), shorter units (not as stable), less pin weight (broader market), and too much teeter/tooter on the axles . That said, I guess a custom made for a price is the way to go.
I think the height is because customers like high ceilings, and if you lower the ground clearance it could cause some problems in campgrounds I've seen. But in my experience the pin weight is generally high on 5th wheels. Anyway, I've towed a lot of stuff in my time, even trucks and busses with a wrecker, so I'm going to try and stay close to the max pin weight, but I'm not going to let a few pounds be a deal breaker.
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I think the height is because customers like high ceilings, and if you lower the ground clearance it could cause some problems in campgrounds I've seen. But in my experience the pin weight is generally high on 5th wheels. Anyway, I've towed a lot of stuff in my time, even trucks and busses with a wrecker, so I'm going to try and stay close to the max pin weight, but I'm not going to let a few pounds be a deal breaker.
Just be cognizant of the fact that the pin weights listed are DRY pin weights before they add propane tanks, a/c's and a lot of other accessories. Then load it up for travel, add a 200 pound fifth wheel hitch, and you'll be nowhere close to that listed pin weight. Your 2500 will pull the weight effortlessly, it's that weight sitting on the rear wheels that's gonna kill ya.
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I tow this... 40ft Raptor.. just fine.... yes it is a little much for my 2500, but with my suspension upgrades it handles and stops just fine...



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Just be cognizant of the fact that the pin weights listed are DRY pin weights before they add propane tanks, a/c's and a lot of other accessories. Then load it up for travel, add a 200 pound fifth wheel hitch, and you'll be nowhere close to that listed pin weight. Your 2500 will pull the weight effortlessly, it's that weight sitting on the rear wheels that's gonna kill ya.
I agree, and I'm going to look at weights very closely before I buy. But I have one question...I know the springs are heavier on a 3500, but doesn't a SRW 3500 have the same wheels and tires a 2500 has, ie. E rated tires?
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I agree, and I'm going to look at weights very closely before I buy. But I have one question...I know the springs are heavier on a 3500, but doesn't a SRW 3500 have the same wheels and tires a 2500 has, ie. E rated tires?
I wouldn't bother with a 3500 SRW. I don't believe it offers enough additional benefit. A DRW would be the wisest move.
RE: the Raptor pic above, my best buddy bought the exact same trailer back in 2005 to tow with his 04 LB7 2500 short bed and it scared the **** out of him. Pushed him all over the road. One trip through the Arkansas mountains and he sold it.....
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For the weights you are talking- your 3/4 ton is a great match.

Lots and lots of people towing 40 foot toy haulers (15k plus) with 3/4 ton trucks. A 12.5k fifth wheel with 2100# pin weight is a great match for a 3/4 ton truck.
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My Dad used to say" if you can't be good be careful" Lets change that to if you can't be leagal be careful. I had a special order truck a few years a go that GM changed the wheels and tires upgraded the springs and rerated the trucks GVWR. They changed the Rating tag and the tire tag so I guess that was leagal. But if you do it its NOT???. There should be a way of upgrading your truck and get it recirtified. That being said Rickson and others make 19.5 wheels to fit a 2500 and F of G rated tires could bring your RWR up and you will be safe.

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