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Old 06-27-2017, 12:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New 5er with grease on brakes

Here is a heads up for anyone looking. All new trailers built with Lippert axles in the last several years can have leaking grease seals that will put grease on your trailer brakes. I called Lippert customer service yesterday and asked about having them pay for a brake inspection. They started a claim form.
I asked about doing the work myself since I own a tire repair shop and they agreed to allow me do the work.

I pulled the hubs on the left side of the 5er and all was good. When I pulled the hubs on the right side, I found grease on the magnets and the brake lining.

This 5er is brand new with the only road time being from the manufacturer to the dealer and 400 miles from the dealer home. If you have a new trailer or 5er, check the tag on the axle underneath it. If it is made by Lippert, call Lippert customer service and ask for a free inspection of your brakes.

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Oh, I didn't think you bought the Arctic Fox!! Just kidding. Many AF people who have purchased new AF's have had this same problem. Some have even asked for, and received, 4 new fully loaded backing plates. Good that you discovered this now before you were in a situation where you needed non-greasy brakes.

By the way, are your trailer axles the EZ Lube type?

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Here is a heads up for anyone looking. All new trailers built with Lippert axles in the last several years can have leaking grease seals that will put grease on your trailer brakes. I called Lippert customer service yesterday and asked about having them pay for a brake inspection. They started a claim form.
I asked about doing the work myself since I own a tire repair shop and they agreed to allow me do the work.

I pulled the hubs on the left side of the 5er and all was good. When I pulled the hubs on the right side, I found grease on the magnets and the brake lining.

This 5er is brand new with the only road time being from the manufacturer to the dealer and 400 miles from the dealer home. If you have a new trailer or 5er, check the tag on the axle underneath it. If it is made by Lippert, call Lippert customer service and ask for a free inspection of your brakes.


Certainly not good to hear, but sounds like you'll get it resolved. I for one, and I'm sure there are many others, that would like to know what the cause and the fix is. Is it to much grease in the hubs, bad seals, undersize axle where the grease seal rides, bearings, or whatever. Would you please post what Lippert says is the problem and what they do to fix it. Thanks


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Lippert claims it was human error with too much grease being placed in the hub, and now they have installed an automated greasing machine to rule out human error. They have also changed over to Red grease. Lippert is supposed to be sending me 2 new loaded backing plates and paying me two hours labor to replace them.
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[QUOTE=Ron Nielson;9171034]Oh, I didn't think you bought the Arctic Fox!! Just kidding. Many AF people who have purchased new AF's have had this same problem. Some have even asked for, and received, 4 new fully loaded backing plates. Good that you discovered this now before you were in a situation where you needed non-greasy brakes.

By the way, are your trailer axles the EZ Lube type?[/QUOTE

I couldn't sell my wife on the Artic Fox, she just didn't like the floor plans. It won't matter much anyway, because she won't let me take the new 5er hunting, so I am stuck using my old Alumascape for my hunting trips.
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I had the same problem with my 2012 Open range, it had Dexter axles. Someone had significantly overgreased the hubs using the grease fitting and likely a power grease gun. I ended up having all 4 hubs with blown out rear seals and grease on the magnets and shoes on every one of them. I cleaned the drums up in the parts cleaner at work and after a bunch of wiping and 6 cans of brake cleaner I had it all back together and working properly.
I personally don't use the grease fitting for this exact reason.

I am not a fan of Lippert, their quality is sketchy on most of their products.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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If you have EZ Lube hubs, there's a specified way to grease them. Do not use pneumatic gun, raise wheel and turn it while using hand type grease gun. Dexter has a video on it.
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I am familiar with the process, I just chose to not use it. In all the trailers I have serviced I never once found a situation where more grease would have helped. Other than cleaning the bearings and repacking them by hand I see no reason to mess with them. Too much grease is almost just as bad as not enough and if they are serviced properly the grease stays intact.
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If EZ Lube is working correctly, it does not add grease. Old grease is pushed out front of hub and replaced with new grease. OTH, I've never had an issue with hand packing trailer bearings.
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Old 07-03-2017, 12:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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When there is enough miles on a trailer to require giving the bearings more grease it is also time to check the condition of the braking system.

Thus no need for the EZ Lube. Remove the bearings clean and hand pack with a quality wheel bearing grease.

Also replace the grease seals as they do wear out. If you removed the bearing the grease seal has been damaged or distorted beyond reuse.

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