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Old 04-30-2010, 07:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Curious to how the 2001 to 2006 trucks compare to 2007 and newer trucks?

I keep seeing all these upgrades done to the newer trucks. How do us older trucks compare to them when it comes to towing? Does a simple programmer like the Edge even the playing field? Do we need to upgrade suspension or anything to equal the newer trucks abilities or is the newer trucks just that.. Newer!!

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The suspension is the same I believe.

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I see a lot of views guys. I am new to diesel trucks.. Either you dont know or dont feel like answering.
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The new ones 06+ have the 6 speed which I would say is better (stronger) and drops the rpms lower. I honestly have not towed anything in a newer truck, so I cannot say.
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Yes I would think 6 gears are better than 5 as far as towing. Hence the reason the big semi's have so many gears..

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The new ones 06+ have the 6 speed which I would say is better (stronger) and drops the rpms lower. I honestly have not towed anything in a newer truck, so I cannot say.
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The 6th gear to my knowledge is not for towing. Also the reason semi's have so many gears is because their's are so close together. Keeps them in their powerband. To add to this they do not spin very fast at all, like ours to a 5.7 or 5.3 gas engine. They spin 5k to 5.5k at redline, something like that, and our Dmax's redline at what 3,100 or 3,200 rpm. Semi's don't have a high rpm so to have any type of speed and power, they need the gears to keep them at the low powermaking rpm's.
Up to 2011 the I don't think their is much differnce in them at all, other then engine and emissions.
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the allison is using ALL 6 forward gears for towing....no problems at all....70mph in 6th gear is around 1700/1800 rpm depending on tire size. when towing and climbing hills adding throttle to maintain speed; most of the time you will be able to stay in 6th gear depending on the speed you want and how heavy the load is; if for some reason you cannot maintain speed and continue to ad throttle the trans will down shift to 5th gear raising rpm to about 2100 allowing you to climb the hill easier. very nice to have such a small gear change not like going from 5th to 4th which is a big jump in rpm.....only once did I ever have the trans go into 4th on a hill and then i just backed off and moped along at 55mph to the top...

suspension wise the 01 thru 10 models are all the same...it is the HP/TQ rating of the engine that changed over the years allowing you to tow more with the added power...

the new 11 model has new suspension and frame parts for more in bed truck carrying weight and new HP/TQ numbers for even greater towing
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So reading what you are saying a programmer or program evens the playing field for us older trucks?

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the allison is using ALL 6 forward gears for towing....no problems at all....70mph in 6th gear is around 1700/1800 rpm depending on tire size. when towing and climbing hills adding throttle to maintain speed; most of the time you will be able to stay in 6th gear depending on the speed you want and how heavy the load is; if for some reason you cannot maintain speed and continue to ad throttle the trans will down shift to 5th gear raising rpm to about 2100 allowing you to climb the hill easier. very nice to have such a small gear change not like going from 5th to 4th which is a big jump in rpm.....only once did I ever have the trans go into 4th on a hill and then i just backed off and moped along at 55mph to the top...

suspension wise the 01 thru 10 models are all the same...it is the HP/TQ rating of the engine that changed over the years allowing you to tow more with the added power...

the new 11 model has new suspension and frame parts for more in bed truck carrying weight and new HP/TQ numbers for even greater towing
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other than the 6th gear; i dont know of a "boxed" controller that doesnt get to or even get past the "new" power numbers.....

do some research on PPE, Fleece, Hypertech, Diablo, Edge, Banks, and I'm sure I missed one or 2 and see which one "fits" your wants the best....I say "want" because we all NEED more power but just HOW MUCH do we actually WANT is really the ????

"boxed" controllers are best for guys that really arent computer savy or just want something simple to plug in and go....they offer proven ( usually ); reliable, "safe" power/mileage gains
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I don't think there is much difference between my LBZ (360 HP) and the LMM (365 HP). The LMM has 5 more HP and added emissions which probably negate the 5 HP, and a new body design. If it were an LB7 I might put a programmer on it, but IIRC they are 300 HP, have no cat, and pull well. My brother in law has an LB7 with the Banks 6 gun and 4" exhaust and can keep up with me on flat ground, and only slows a bit more than I do going over the Grapevine. I agree with LtEng5, how much power do you really need, and IMHO if you are climbing lots of hills you might be 5, maybe 10 minutes behind everyone else at the end of the day, and I would be happy with that.

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