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Old 08-01-2019, 11:25 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I guess the only way to use the upload thing is one at a time....

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Repairs:
BWD OPS 1/14 Heath PMD kit 3/14 Airtex boost solenoid 6/14 Lube Specialist cooler lines and cooler, rad support mounts, Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks, rear brakes 7/14 Interstate Batts, Cooper AT3 tires, Hummer H3 rims, stepper motor 4x4, coolant flush 11/14 Stabilizer bar links, soot trap gasket 9/15 Dorman tank, sending unit/sock delete, filler neck, filler neck, hose, Leroy's Tank Barbs, SAE30R9 lines, WIX filter head and prefilter with brackets by paleyjim, intake manifold gaskets 3/16 Used transmission, dipstick tube, fluid flush, drain plug pan by paleyjim, power steering fluid flush, transfer case seals and fluid 9/16 Duraterms 11/16 Ball Joints and wheel bearing drivers side. Powerstop pads, lubed sliders 4/17 AD244, Leroy's Flight Systems PMD 9/17
Performance:
Ashland Muffler 2.5 X-over 12/13 FTB FFM by paleyjim, ported upper egr delete S-code, lower F-code, ported IP fitting, FASS DRP-02 lift pump 3/16 Transgo Shift Kit by paleyjim, Energy Susp. engine+trans mounts 9/16 Ported GM8, Diamond Eye, Quadstar tune 11/16 K47 Box, Glowshift 3-1 1/17 Leroy's Billet Crank pulley, Fluidampr. 9/17
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:08 PM   #102 (permalink)
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After mulling it over for several days now of barely being able to work on it, I've come to one conclusion that reflects a few points my grandfather used to make quite often:

You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

Now, (sorry to eulogize) he did this just about every day, whether it came to his wacky inventions, his building projects, or even his own vehicles: he was working with what he had. Lots of bird turds being stirred with Miracle Whip, for sure. But it was always a consideration, quickly brought up for every project, especially big and hopeless ones he didn't have materials for somewhere already. Me, I'm very different. I do things all the way until they are right. If I care about it, I have immense patience and drive and belief that this is the way it should be done. If I can't see it through: I don't do it.

The next one was:

Good enough for a town this size.

Where, if it works, and its easy or ingenious, gets the job done, who cares what it looks like. This was kind of scary when it came to AC wiring and plumbing work he did... But things he really cared about, this statement never applied. In fact, bringing it up on something he put some detail into would definitely get him fired up. To some extent, I LOVED this statement. It meant we were done working, and I could go play or lay around or whatever I was going to do as a kid.

I love this truck and I hate it. Its done a LOT of work and its taken a LOT of work. I've been proud of its capability for what it is, and cursed it because it wasn't enough. Its gone fast enough to scare me and slow enough to get creamed by an old woman in a Nissan Leaf in the stoplights.

jdla140 mentioned its even illegal to haul what the 2500 is rated for with the registration reading as a 1500. The cab and bed aren't that nice, which will beg me to repair it as I move it. Easily a many-month project. The end? STILL not enough truck for what I'd like to do with it. So, screw it.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****, so I'm going to fix it up good enough for a town this size.
Awesome post

I've a saying... "Effort / Reward". Everything in our life will require a level of effort and comes with a level of reward. Weigh those and all becomes clear. Although I like your family saying's colorfulness more than simply saying "effort versus reward". lol

I had a 1990 K1500 Stepside Z71 I purchased new for just over $16,000. It spent many years in salt country. Moving it to the desert stopped the rust's progression, but every time I had to work on it the rust was like a pit in my stomach - disheartening. I LOVED that truck and took care of it far too well for a "thing", even having driving shoes so the muddy work boots wouldn't mess up the cab. I always said I'd keep it forever. I seriously considered completely restoring it. Besides the underbody rust, it was in perfect shape. Then in 2012, while parked in the drive, someone knocked on my door and offered to buy it. $4500 dollars later and a few tears as it drove away and I have never regretted it. She was good to me and now she can be good to another. Ironically, sold to a kid, again ;-)

I now have had a 2006 LBZ since new and vow to keep it forever... maybe. Big difference is ZERO rust as she's been in the desert her entire life. The effort it'll take to keep her makes a lot more sense than my first ever new vehicle, that ole Z71. I think I woulda grown to hate that Z71 if I had attempted to try and undo what nature had done. Nature of the beast for vehicles driven in salt country.

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Old 08-02-2019, 09:26 AM   #103 (permalink)
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I knew a fella that had a 96 stepside and did exactly that the love of his life, restored it, souped it up. I don't know how much he spent, but he sold it for $20k. Built a Vortec 5.7 for close to 500hp on pump gas, body off resto, paint, full gauges even like, power steering and rear diff temp! People love these trucks. We had a 91 stepside and it was an amazing truck even with the 4.3!

Love the driving shoes detail. That really says something about how much you cared. Wonder how many times you changed your shoes to keep it nice?

I bought this truck in spirit of those, but so far its the ashes of my hard earned dollars that make this more like a funeral urn on a mantlepiece than a beloved truck.

I'm shopping hard for a heavier one, but seem to be striking out. For years actually. I even bought a 2500 Dodge and resold it to pay for parts on this! Stupid.
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BWD OPS 1/14 Heath PMD kit 3/14 Airtex boost solenoid 6/14 Lube Specialist cooler lines and cooler, rad support mounts, Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks, rear brakes 7/14 Interstate Batts, Cooper AT3 tires, Hummer H3 rims, stepper motor 4x4, coolant flush 11/14 Stabilizer bar links, soot trap gasket 9/15 Dorman tank, sending unit/sock delete, filler neck, filler neck, hose, Leroy's Tank Barbs, SAE30R9 lines, WIX filter head and prefilter with brackets by paleyjim, intake manifold gaskets 3/16 Used transmission, dipstick tube, fluid flush, drain plug pan by paleyjim, power steering fluid flush, transfer case seals and fluid 9/16 Duraterms 11/16 Ball Joints and wheel bearing drivers side. Powerstop pads, lubed sliders 4/17 AD244, Leroy's Flight Systems PMD 9/17
Performance:
Ashland Muffler 2.5 X-over 12/13 FTB FFM by paleyjim, ported upper egr delete S-code, lower F-code, ported IP fitting, FASS DRP-02 lift pump 3/16 Transgo Shift Kit by paleyjim, Energy Susp. engine+trans mounts 9/16 Ported GM8, Diamond Eye, Quadstar tune 11/16 K47 Box, Glowshift 3-1 1/17 Leroy's Billet Crank pulley, Fluidampr. 9/17
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:39 AM   #104 (permalink)
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MP,

I knew a fella that had a 96 stepside and did exactly that the love of his life, restored it, souped it up. I don't know how much he spent, but he sold it for $20k. Built a Vortec 5.7 for close to 500hp on pump gas, body off resto, paint, full gauges even like, power steering and rear diff temp! People love these trucks. We had a 91 stepside and it was an amazing truck even with the 4.3!

Love the driving shoes detail. That really says something about how much you cared. Wonder how many times you changed your shoes to keep it nice?

I bought this truck in spirit of those, but so far its the ashes of my hard earned dollars that make this more like a funeral urn on a mantlepiece than a beloved truck.

I'm shopping hard for a heavier one, but seem to be striking out. For years actually. I even bought a 2500 Dodge and resold it to pay for parts on this! Stupid.
Love makes us do crazy things.

On the driving shoes, used until.... The heater core o-rings gave out and flooded the pristine carpet with antifreeze. Was gonna clean it up real nice until while reinstalling that heater core I spilled my bottle of tack adhesive on the carpet. What a gooey mess! So I ordered and installed the molded rubber flooring, doubling up the insulation under it. I actually wanted rubber flooring from new, but the truck was loaded and as such, carpet. 5.7 TBI. I can still tell you if a 5.7 from that era drives by just from the sound.

More.... Get this, my southern wife who was almost never allowed to drive it (I had it before I had her), drove it one rare occasion and managed to dent the entire driver's side cab when she hit the gas station bollards... and scared, kept going. From bumper to bed! I told her to go back to KY, we're through. Luckily she ignored me and I still have her today. But THAT is how much I loved that truck. ...makes ya do crazy things.

Edit: I siliconed the edges of that rubber flooring where it ends under the door sills and 4x4 floor shifter and filled any trim screw holes with silicone. That allowed me to hose out the cab floor when she got dusty.
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And we're supposed to believe that Democrats aren't for open borders simply because they say so?

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Old 08-05-2019, 09:20 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Sounds familiar!

The friend that fixed up his Z71 never let his wife drive the truck- she backed into a light pole in the Walmart parking lot so hard that ripped half the bed bolts off. That was the "smoking gun" for the build. That's when I think they started sleeping in separate bedrooms.

No good progress for the weekend. I fought with a cab mount bolt for a couple hours and got disappointed. I am looking at putting a set of Energy Suspension cab mounts in it if I don't find good used ones.

A friend that I talk chainsaws with is encouraging me to do the whole cab swap, which might be more likely if I have more punched through cab mounts...
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Repairs:
BWD OPS 1/14 Heath PMD kit 3/14 Airtex boost solenoid 6/14 Lube Specialist cooler lines and cooler, rad support mounts, Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks, rear brakes 7/14 Interstate Batts, Cooper AT3 tires, Hummer H3 rims, stepper motor 4x4, coolant flush 11/14 Stabilizer bar links, soot trap gasket 9/15 Dorman tank, sending unit/sock delete, filler neck, filler neck, hose, Leroy's Tank Barbs, SAE30R9 lines, WIX filter head and prefilter with brackets by paleyjim, intake manifold gaskets 3/16 Used transmission, dipstick tube, fluid flush, drain plug pan by paleyjim, power steering fluid flush, transfer case seals and fluid 9/16 Duraterms 11/16 Ball Joints and wheel bearing drivers side. Powerstop pads, lubed sliders 4/17 AD244, Leroy's Flight Systems PMD 9/17
Performance:
Ashland Muffler 2.5 X-over 12/13 FTB FFM by paleyjim, ported upper egr delete S-code, lower F-code, ported IP fitting, FASS DRP-02 lift pump 3/16 Transgo Shift Kit by paleyjim, Energy Susp. engine+trans mounts 9/16 Ported GM8, Diamond Eye, Quadstar tune 11/16 K47 Box, Glowshift 3-1 1/17 Leroy's Billet Crank pulley, Fluidampr. 9/17
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:04 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Some progress, I guess.

Friday, bumpers are off both trucks, thought very very hard about swapping frames again.

This morning beat the frames with a ball peen hammer, which works great to clean rust scale, and exposed a couple issues on the 2500 frame.

Dad stopped by and looked at the brackets and offered some reasonable solutions. Solidified keeping the 1/2 ton frame. Going to make a cardboard template Tomorrow to make the parts we"ll weld in to the rusted area

Dropped the tank and found the leak. I'm thinking a quick weld zap down the cracks a bit should get it. Don't know what else to do.

Jacked cab pulled cab mounts out and started cleaning up the bad mount holes. I'm probably going to go with Energy Suspension on the mounts, stock ones are all pretty rusty, and I'm not sure what constitutes good or bad, I don't think the ones on the 2500 are much better. The two in the rear are trashed and ES ones all around are cheaper than just the two upgraded gmt900 rear mounts. If my front four were better, I'd feel better about reuse/upgrade.

Cab bolts are on order from McMaster 1-3 week lead time but way cheaper than anything else. 12x1.75x120.

Tomorrow I'm going to start painting the good cab brackets and other things with POR15 and get the leaf springs moved over, cardboard templates to Dad, work on straighten the 2500 bumper and a parts list to order. Hope I can keep this under $300.
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BWD OPS 1/14 Heath PMD kit 3/14 Airtex boost solenoid 6/14 Lube Specialist cooler lines and cooler, rad support mounts, Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks, rear brakes 7/14 Interstate Batts, Cooper AT3 tires, Hummer H3 rims, stepper motor 4x4, coolant flush 11/14 Stabilizer bar links, soot trap gasket 9/15 Dorman tank, sending unit/sock delete, filler neck, filler neck, hose, Leroy's Tank Barbs, SAE30R9 lines, WIX filter head and prefilter with brackets by paleyjim, intake manifold gaskets 3/16 Used transmission, dipstick tube, fluid flush, drain plug pan by paleyjim, power steering fluid flush, transfer case seals and fluid 9/16 Duraterms 11/16 Ball Joints and wheel bearing drivers side. Powerstop pads, lubed sliders 4/17 AD244, Leroy's Flight Systems PMD 9/17
Performance:
Ashland Muffler 2.5 X-over 12/13 FTB FFM by paleyjim, ported upper egr delete S-code, lower F-code, ported IP fitting, FASS DRP-02 lift pump 3/16 Transgo Shift Kit by paleyjim, Energy Susp. engine+trans mounts 9/16 Ported GM8, Diamond Eye, Quadstar tune 11/16 K47 Box, Glowshift 3-1 1/17 Leroy's Billet Crank pulley, Fluidampr. 9/17

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So, is that last photo the crack in the tank? Is that a circular dent at the center of the crack?
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There are a bunch of dimples like that in there. I believe they are the spot welds for the baffle in the tank.

Whenever I talk about being cautious about grinding around the leaked diesel fuel I keep getting reassured you can drop lit matches in it etc and it won't burn.

Can also grind out the crack and jb weld too.
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BWD OPS 1/14 Heath PMD kit 3/14 Airtex boost solenoid 6/14 Lube Specialist cooler lines and cooler, rad support mounts, Pro Comp ES9000 Shocks, rear brakes 7/14 Interstate Batts, Cooper AT3 tires, Hummer H3 rims, stepper motor 4x4, coolant flush 11/14 Stabilizer bar links, soot trap gasket 9/15 Dorman tank, sending unit/sock delete, filler neck, filler neck, hose, Leroy's Tank Barbs, SAE30R9 lines, WIX filter head and prefilter with brackets by paleyjim, intake manifold gaskets 3/16 Used transmission, dipstick tube, fluid flush, drain plug pan by paleyjim, power steering fluid flush, transfer case seals and fluid 9/16 Duraterms 11/16 Ball Joints and wheel bearing drivers side. Powerstop pads, lubed sliders 4/17 AD244, Leroy's Flight Systems PMD 9/17
Performance:
Ashland Muffler 2.5 X-over 12/13 FTB FFM by paleyjim, ported upper egr delete S-code, lower F-code, ported IP fitting, FASS DRP-02 lift pump 3/16 Transgo Shift Kit by paleyjim, Energy Susp. engine+trans mounts 9/16 Ported GM8, Diamond Eye, Quadstar tune 11/16 K47 Box, Glowshift 3-1 1/17 Leroy's Billet Crank pulley, Fluidampr. 9/17
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Actually unless you know you can get the drill shavings out..might be better to clean and weld the crack and current spot weld, grind weld enough to put a square or diamond shape patch over the entire area and weld the outer edges.

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