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Old 02-11-2012, 09:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Kellogg American Air Compressor Help

So after ~50 years of use and abuse my shop compressor needs work.

From what i can gather off the steel nameplates it's a Kellogg American model A320 two stage compressor.

The front oil seal started to weep about a year ago, but it finally started leaking so bad i can't run it anymore without fear of it going dry.

There's also an issue with the high side piston's cylinder wall. It is pitted slightly. I've located what seems to be a overhaul kit for this compressor with new rings, gaskets, etc.

Can i use something like a wheel cylinder hone to clean up the bore a tad? The high side piston is only 1.75" in diameter.

It seems to seal ok since when i put my hand over the piston and turn the compressor by hand it tries to suck my hand in. I'm just worried the pitting will break a ring at some point, if it hasn't already.

I've been running 30 weight compressor oil in it since i was given it but it does knock for a few seconds when dead cold, but once the oil starts moving through it stops knocking completely.


This thing has to be from the '40s or '50s going by the huge Delco 1 1/2 HP non capacitor brush motor. I'm guessing its either an 80 or a 90 gallon tank running 150 psi.



Anyone know where i can get some information from? I'm curious about age and such. Hopefully i can repair it, because the modern compressors can't hold a candle to these antiques.

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Old 02-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If the pits are small. you can hone them out. Otherwise, you would have to have the head bored out.
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exactly what tom said.

we had an old twin cylinder compressor that water had gotten into the cylinders while being stood. We pulled it down and ran a sprung loaded cylinder hone down the cylinders and all was good
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Scales is where we used to get parts and repairs for our shop compressors.
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was able to hone that cylinder a bit. it's better than it was, but still won't be perfect.

Now i've got another issue. I've got the thing all apart, rods out and all.

Both pistons were missing the oil control rings. They weren't even in the crankcase. It's like they weren't installed.

It's a strange oiling system in this compressor. It's not splash lubricated per-se.






The ring on the crank pulls oil up and it's fed into two ports that lead to the oiling hole in the crank for the main bearings.

There's also tubes that lead up to the needle bearings at the piston pin end of the rod.

I'm guessing it's an oil feed up to the needle bearings via centrifugal force.

Now comes my main issue. The rods are ferous, some sort of steel because they are magnetic.

The main bearings seem to be lead, or something very soft like it. i cannot get them out. It's like they are fused in there after 60+ years. I was able to knock a chunk out of each one as there's a hole int eh center that your supposed to drive the bearing out with.

I dont' want to damage the rod cap in the process so i've been trying to be careful.

The rod side of the bearing has that little tube in the center, and i don't' want to pry around there for fear of breaking those ancient tubes.


Any tips on how to get them out? the rebuild kit is supposed to come with new ones, as well as an oil seal and gasket set.

The low side's bearing was chewed up a bit(but not spun), but the crank seems to be ok save for the typical polish/wear patterns of running day in day out for 60 years.
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Try these guys Dave you may find a manual on the bay as well there was one for the 4cyl. models.
http://www.gerardaircompressors.com/compair_kellogg.htm

http://www.aircompeq.com/kakits.html


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The main bearings seem to be lead, or something very soft like it. i cannot get them out. It's like they are fused in there after 60+ years. I was able to knock a chunk out of each one as there's a hole int eh center that your supposed to drive the bearing out with.
Dave, chance are the bearing are made of a material called 'babbitt', which was very common in small engines. I don't know the composition of it, but I believe it contained brass, plus something else. It was common in low rpm, moderately low stress areas.
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Turns out the bearings are poured babbitt bearings. The bearing isn't an insert like on your average engine.

The bearings are physically poured into the rods(i'm guessing) and then machined "in rod" by the looks of things.

Can't find anywhere that these old style bearings are made. They are the perfect fit bearing more or less, and don't come pre-made. The model-As used poured babbitt bearings.

I wonder how old this compressor really is?

Anyways, i've seen prices on the low end of $100 a rod to pour new ones.

As i've always said, if it needs strange or difficult to acquire parts odds are i own it and found out the hard way.

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