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Old 03-21-2007, 08:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can i pull this?!?!?

I wasnt really sure where in the forum to ask this question....


a friend of mine is buying a 32 ft. 2 car stacker trailer that HE SAYS... weighs about 25,000 lbs. fully loaded(2x 2500lb cars, wieght of trailer itself(prolly 10-1200 lbs, tire machine, generator, air compressor, tool boxes, etc.). Now i know this is a bad *** trailer and i will probably have the apportunity to borrow it for a weekend race event or 2 per year, however i have a feeling my truck isnt up to it...



He has a 99 E450 w/ 7.3 PSD that he is going to pick it up with( he has airbags on it too).




I googled payload and max capacity of our trucks but got mixed results. So what is max payload/ tongue wieght and total tow capacity?

Truck is in my sig.



i Think he said its like a 5000 lb. tongue weight on that trailer.


thanks in advance guys!

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Old 03-21-2007, 08:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sure you can pull it, but depending on the trailer may whip the rear of your truck around. You will definitly be over manufacture recommendations. The big thing is can you stop it.

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Old 03-21-2007, 09:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well yeah the question is can i safely pull it? and how much over OEM specs would i be?


and now that i think about it it prolly weighs about 20k not 25k.


The trailer has 6 brakes on it, so i figure stopping shouldnt be too bad. My truck stopped by 24ft enclosed single car with no brake controller really well.
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You need to find a scale and weigh your truck front and rear axles, then look at your door jam and look for gross weight, that will tell you roughly how much pin weight you can handle w/o overloading yoru truck. You def should switch to a weight distributing hitch at least.
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You need to find a scale and weigh your truck front and rear axles, then look at your door jam and look for gross weight, that will tell you roughly how much pin weight you can handle w/o overloading yoru truck. You def should switch to a weight distributing hitch at least.

While you are looking at your door jams, look for cracks in the metal/welds....25,000 pounds??? Are you kidding? I wouldn't do it.
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I pull a 5th wheel toyhauler that properly weighs 14K MAX! And my duramax does great, but I wouldn't go over that! I know I could pull more, but why risk it.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You'll want to have a dually at least. I'm not sure but your 315s are probably not the most stable tire. Is it a goose neck/5th weel? We are licensed at 36,000 gvcw with a dodge 1ton dually. It pulls it fine. If you get to crazy the dot will catch you and shut you down if they think your overloaded. They did with us and we had to get all the dot numbers, IFTA and apportioned plates. Whats your buddy pull it with? You should just ask to borrow the whole outfit. Thanks, Jerod
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:46 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I will try to answer your question as to whether you can safely pull a 20,000 lbs trailer with your 2500HD Crew Cab truck.

Like it was suggested already, you will need to have your truck weighed at a certified scale to get the most accurate results, but with the information you have provided, some ballpark estimates can be made.

My experience tells me that your 2500HD CC truck will very likely have a wet curb weight of approximately 7,400+ lbs with a full tank of fuel and a driver on board.


GM rates the 2500HD as follows
GVWR: 9,200 lbs
GCWR: 22,000 lbs (Truck + Trailer)
So, for your truck, the maximum Payload will be: 9,200 lbs – 7,400 lbs = 1,800 lbs Payload

A quick calculation yields 20,000 lbs Trailer + 7,400+ lbs Truck = GCW of 27,400+ lbs (You would be 5,400 lbs ABOVE the GCWR for this truck).

If this is a gooseneck or a 5th wheel trailer the recommended pin weight is 20 to 25% of the total weight. So 25% of 20,000lbs = 5,000 lbs.

Gross vehicle weight with this much trailer pin weight is 7,400 + 5,000 = 12,400 lbs (Your truck will be overloaded by 3,200+ lbs).

Also, with that much pin weight, you will very likely be looking at somewhere around 8,000+ lbs rear axle loads. Those BFG All Terrain T/A KO LT315/70R-17 load Range D tires are rated for 3,195 lbs @ 50 psi. -- So 3,195 x 2 = 6,390 lbs. (You would be overloading your rear tires by more than 1,600 lbs and DOT will pull you out of service immediately, assuming that you haven’t already experienced a rear tire blow-out.)

Can your 2500HD pull this load?
There is no question that it can pull it.

Will it be safe to pull this big a load?
Some people might tell you that all you need are air bags & bigger tires and you are good to go. But my engineering experience tells me that this much load will NOT be safe to tow with your 2500HD truck. Sure you could probably upgrade the axles, suspension, brakes, tires, etc. and feel like you are safe. But are you absolutely sure about that? Is the frame capable of taking the beating from a 20,000 lbs trailer? Is your insurance company going to cover you if you have an accident with a heavily overloaded rig? Are you willing to take that chance?

There is a reason why your buddy is pulling this big 20,000 lb trailer with the F450 truck. The F450 was designed to carry that load, the 2500HD wasn’t. Considering the risks and costs involved, you and everyone else on the road with you would be much better off and a lot safer if you get a bigger truck.

My bottom line is: I would NOT pull that big a trailer with a 2500HD truck.

Hope this helps.
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i weighed my truck once at a truck scale @ 7000 lbs +/- 20 lbs with a 1/2 tank... without me in it.


So i guess ill be borrowing his rig too. And i suppose ill be upgrading my truck in the future as i plan on getting a similar trailer someday.

It is not a 5th wheel setup either.





Thanks for your input guys!
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You will need to add 7.3 lbs per gallon of diesel fuel plus yourself and any passengers, tools, luggage, etc. (1/2 tank = 13 gallons = 95 lbs. And I'm sure you know how much you weigh. )

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