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Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 05:14 PM

got juice
you did this with a duramax or what........stock tranny would not begin to hold those numbers.........or it was a spike...........?

no spike... stock auto tranny.... i did it in 4th gear 2/3 throttle. Juice was starting to defuel beyond that hp level so i basically held it at 2/3 for a nice smooth dyno plot. here is some linkage for ya!

http://www.nwbombers.com/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=2e5ed736f347e35b70b3aed1e428c321;a ct=ST;f=21;t=4449 (http://www.nwbombers.com/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=2e5ed736f347e35b70b3aed1e428c321;a ct=ST;f=21;t=4449)

and on the tdr

http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=443303ba063da893f686970c9382bea9& threadid=82829

sdaver

10-06-2003, 05:47 PM

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 06:26 PM

hey thats smokin.......the other 1/3 would put you around 822..........have you made a 1/8 or 1/4 mile pass will 5th hold............why would any one need a transmission if stock will hold 544?...........not to be so skeptical it just seems like a lot..........dave

If you want the number go to PDR and look at the figures. you can call it like you see it and allude i am lying, don't candy coat it .tell it like it is.

I NEVER said 5th gear would hold it in fact that is why i was careful in 4th. Instead of trying to malign me, go pee up a rope... 822...give me a break. Besides i have nothing to prove to you. The dyno run speaks for itself, and there were around 150 people there watching.

The only reason i am here is jess invited me to join in, and after talking to him i figured people on here would be less judgemental, as they are at NWBOMBERS..... so far this has not proven to be the case

Edited by: Got Juice?

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 06:38 PM

Actually, i was fighting a slight defuel during the run. if i do end up getting a tranny, i believe this combo will be good for around 570 hp

but at the rate egt's climb, a bigger turbo is also on the must do list!

CPMac

10-06-2003, 07:54 PM

Got Juice what is a BDPP 155.

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 08:03 PM

Bully Dog Power Programmer in 155hp flavour

looks the same as the quad module

sdaver

10-06-2003, 08:13 PM

pee up a rope thats a good one....I have to admit thats 40 hp higher than any i have ever seen(without drugs).....just seems unbelievable....saw the nwbombers post......were any correction factors used......I wish we lived closer I would gladly pay for the dyno and a repeat performance....what kind of dyno........why is not jess trying this stack........hey post the dyno sheet would love to see the curve.........

CPMac

10-06-2003, 08:32 PM

That combo must be awesome.

Stock truck 240 to 260 rwhp

Edge 125

BDPP 155

Total 540 You got 544.

They must compliment each other well to get more gain than advertised out of both of them.

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 08:32 PM

give me your fax#...my scanner is out for the moment (operator error)

the dyno is the new (australian made iIIRC) dyno dynamics.

sweet unit too.. you calibrate the zero-point to vehicle rpm.... NO TIRE SLIPPAGE AT ALL...... the test was done ASL with OAT of 27 centigrade and 18%RH

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 08:52 PM

That combo must be awesome.

Stock truck 240 to 260 rwhp

Edge 125

BDPP 155

Total 540 You got 544.

They must compliment each other well to get more gain than advertised out of both of them.

I would suppose so, although i am a far cry from a diesel expert here, the numbers speak for themselves. I will Fax a copy of the chart to Sdaver and he can post it if he sees fit.

king d

10-06-2003, 09:04 PM

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 09:12 PM

why is not jess trying this stack....... sooon dave soon! i will be trying it out,jonothan glad you came over these guys will busts your balls for a bit but it will smooth out like i told you those are incredible numbers stick around it gets better....jess

Yeah, i'll stick around... just got off the phone with sdaver, and he set me straighthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif I'll be faxing him the sheet in the morning. There is also another member who has dynoed 3 events at the same time i did... so unless all 3 dynos are wrong, he was within 10 hp of his last numbers, so i will take this chart as correct. BTW...thanks for giving me the lesson on types of dyno's sdaver.... something to watch for!

CPMac

10-06-2003, 09:13 PM

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 09:35 PM

All the #'s really say is that their dyno try's to calculate fwhp or it is being operated improperly or that one of your power enhancers is way bigger than you think it is. Or they accidentally switched your #'s with another truck.

oh... yeah... RIIIIIIIGHT....thats how i did it... i just bolted my engine up to the dyno..... you are sooo smart.... maybe you just can't drive your own truck? Nahhhhh couldn't be that!

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 09:42 PM

I do not know if my old prototype hot oj is any stronger than the later version...maybe it is... i do not know.... as for the bully dog.... i do not know that either... what i do know is this: the dyno is accurate...it was being run by the qualified technician and was at sea level in pretty decent running conditions. You are entitled to your opinion, that is for sure, try to be graceful when someone else's combination betters yours. It is a trademark of the mature individual. I did have a complete service before i went on the dyno, clean fluids and filters. That can make a difference as well as the individual driving

BIG DIPPER

10-06-2003, 09:53 PM

Got juice............

Simmer down, you tell him to be graceful after being a smart ass in the previous post.. No one has called you a liar,just questioning your posts. Not like it hasn't happened to the rest of us.....thing is, now it is your turn.

And yes, the guy operationg the dyno could make changes that could skew numbers, good or bad. CPMAC has a lot of experience on the dyno, along with a few others. You will see that their experience is appreciated.

Just take the ribbin like a man and wait out the results of SDaver's post. If all the evidence is there, Dave will support you and this will be over soon enough. Til then, keep your chin up. We really aren't that bad.Edited by: BIG DIPPER

CPMac

10-06-2003, 09:56 PM

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 10:06 PM

I didn't mean that you did something shady but something just doesn't add up. You don't get full advertised gain out of any stack because they overlap on what signals are changed. There are several other possible reasons for the faulty reading but I just mentioned a few. I wish you well in coming up with the most hp but what you have will not produce those numbers on a Mustang or Dynojet dyno. If it reads that high then I understand a lot more about the shop's dyno you were at.

I understand... really i do, i was expecting to see 430 or 450 RWHP.

since an unchanged truck at the last 3 dyno events we did together, he made no changes and was within a few hp .... on this dyno his numbers were within tolerance.... 5hp high.... that is it. He is my gauge as to whether or not the dyno is functioning or being run correctly. in essence he is my 'control' vehicle.

I do not like all this .....i had enough lumps on other forums but this is ridiculous. Getting more bashing on my brand of truck forum than what i do on sites where the membership is comprised 99.95% of dodges.... heck...even the dodge guys were impressed with the run. I guess i should just give up. I had higher hopes here than on the dieselpage is all. My mistake entirely.

FirstDiesel

10-06-2003, 10:17 PM

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 11:01 PM

Got Juice

Hang in there. Certain members on this forum speak a little too much like experts. Some actually think they should be listened to as THE expert.

I know nothing about stacking boxes as I don't even own one yet but I do know that I've heard pissing matches from these guys amongst themselves because they all know more than the other one.

You know what you've done. Screw them if they don't believe you. Your new and you pissed on their parade.

If they don't beleive you offer a pull off and let them show up and put up or shut up. Remember it's real easy to be a big mouth on a forum while they're hiding behind the fact they don't even post a name or a location. Cyber bloody noses are easy things to give out.

Thanks FirstDiesel....i have just had a great chat with another member, and i will try to 'hold out' against launching into another tirade until another member can perform the same stack and reverify my numbers. i did not realize this is the highest number so far on straight #2 with a stack. i guess i just posted and landed straight into the lake of bullpoop. Honestly, i hope Jess can back up my numbers or better yet beat them by 25 hp or so!

BIG DIPPER

10-06-2003, 11:17 PM

SmokinMax

10-06-2003, 11:39 PM

big dipper

back on what you earlier said about the guy on the edge site and the spike well that was me so i knew for sure that was a spike on my run...dont know about anyone elses...

my runs were on a dynojet this weekend i may hav ethe oppertunity to dyno on the same dyno piers has so i can let you know what i make on it with the same combo....

ill try to get somewhere on here to get some pictures of the stacks does anyone know where i can post them easy? let meknow

thanks kyle Edited by: SmokinMax

Got Juice?

10-06-2003, 11:50 PM

ha... i forgot... i have a cheapo logitec cam ...bad quality, but you'll get the ideahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/Picture_003.jpg

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Mackin

10-07-2003, 12:30 AM

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 12:37 AM

I took my truck out tonight with FRESH tranny (again) and my seat tells me I'm 600 plus plus ...... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

No dissrespect ..
Juice in what gear did you dyno ?? At what point did the dyno load ??

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Dynoed in 4th ..locked up... started the run at 2300 rpms and finished at 3100

dyno load???? what is that?

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 12:40 AM

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 12:46 AM

you will need to call Piers Harry, or Jason Burton or Eric wagner or..... the spectators at the event to get it all bud.... it may seem a little unbelievable, but a no boost launch will light the tires thru 1st second and third gears. that does not mean anything, but this is probably the most sophisticated dyno out there at present time, and no slippage on the rollers like a mustang or a dynojet. The slippage on those over 500 RWHP is well documented , as i have had 'guests' in the box to keep it on the rollers before!

But on this beast..... no ballast is required.

CPMac

10-07-2003, 12:49 AM

Got Juice did you make more than one run at the hp level in question because the control truck you mentioned and your other runs unstacked seemed like they should be accurate.

First Diesel if you are referring to me that is fine. I don't mind critisism from someone that admits they know nothing about the subject at hand. I wasn't trying to bash Got Juice only trying to find out if he also thought there was an error in the reading. I'm not here to fight with anyone only to give and take information. I would buy the exact same setup if it makes that much hp and I know a lot of other people would to. I just hate to see 200 people call bullydog and edge tomorrow to order this combo to later find out that there was something wrong.

CPMac

10-07-2003, 12:52 AM

First Diesel in the 2nd picture is that 2 separate dyno runs or a tq curve and a hp curve on the same sheet?

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 12:56 AM

CPmac.... i only made 1 run like this, as there were other trucks waiting in line... the event started at 8:00 am and did not end until 9:00 pm.

However, both control trucks were ahead and behind me, so i believe the run to be valid. I also did not want to risk my tranny at that HP level, as i towed a 5er down to the event, and really wanted to get home unbroken.

As you can see, there is no spike that i can see

Mackin

10-07-2003, 01:05 AM

Wow !!!!!!

All I can say is I can't wait to dyno on the 25TH..... Man oh Man with a Full Suncoast implant and what I have in HOUSE ,and incoming ,look out, pull your socks up now,cause they'll be quiters before I'm done !!!!!!

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Mackin

10-07-2003, 01:08 AM

How did you stop a down shift when the dyno was loaded ?? You didn't feel the dyno load,a near stall condition ?? You do have an auto ,right ??

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Edited by: Mackin

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 01:13 AM

How did you stop a down shift when the dyno was loaded ?? You didn't feel the dyno load,a near stall condition ??

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

oh gotcha .. i started the run in 4th ...the calibrated the dyno at the 2300 rpms i started at an loaded an ran until i hit 2500 rpms and then added throttle easy until i was sure i would not go out of lock or 4th gear then gave her all she could handle

CPMac

10-07-2003, 01:17 AM

Got Juice what are the two lines on the chart?

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 01:26 AM

the solid one is hp....the dotted one would be for torque, but no sensor was hooked up, so no torque was accurately measured

Mackin

10-07-2003, 01:26 AM

Juice

Trust me if that stack alone "stock tranny" can put down them numbers sign me up, I'll take three sets !!!!!!

No Torque readings ?? You gotta figure they'd have an Optic sensor avail .....

Mac Edited by: Mackin

fredw

10-07-2003, 01:27 AM

in got juiced regards

i also have the downloader pup, and mine is stacked with the smartboxE, i am running 110hp stacked with 85hp, if i go higher it seems to limp in 5th, only tried it once, but works great in the 85hp setting, but most here are telling me the tranny will not take it, as for now it is, i have not dyoned it but using the 1/4 mile time and weight it is over 450rwhp, so i think this combo of yours does have a chancehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif, how is your 1/4 mile times, and weight

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 01:46 AM

weight 7300lbs.....best Q/M to date is 14.18@ 100 mph

full fuel load... me 225 lbs.... both 5er and goose hitches in the back

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 02:19 AM

Mackin... you really want a kick in the pants you should try the 'custom' Van AAken box i was running at the show. Mark was down from england just for the event and we tuned a box on the fly with his laptop to produce as much power as the stack (didn't get the opportunity to dyno it) but man was it STRONG!

Should be arriving by mail here in about 2 weeks

Big Russ

10-07-2003, 03:54 AM

Be careful Jon.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Get that turbo changed.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

You guys have some good emoticons here...

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 03:58 AM

Be careful Jon.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Get that turbo changed.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

You guys have some good emoticons here...

Russ.... glad to see a friendly face here! *L*

Big Russ

10-07-2003, 04:16 AM

LMAO! You call that Avatar friendly???

I hope to see you at the next Dyno event - I sure wish it was possible for me to come up to Piers - but you know... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

FirstDiesel

10-07-2003, 07:59 AM

First Diesel,

If you are refering to me, I will hook up with him.......right after I drag your truck around for awhile.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Maybe we should listen to you ........the expurt.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

All my info is posted, email, IM, and location....I AIN'T SCARED!!!

BRING IT.

If the shoe fits. Seems you were the first to respond to my post. Maybe you think your an expert. Never mentioned names but your sure quick to jump in with a response.

All I'm saying is give the guy a chance. He posts info and everyone gets up in arms that he's making it up or doesn't know what he's doing??

What did he do wrong?? He's not one of you and posted a better number?? People attack his numbers and even accuse him of having the dyno post FWHP instead.

Gee guys, play nice and give new boy a chance too. What happened he didn't know your secret handshake??Edited by: FirstDiesel

BIG DIPPER

10-07-2003, 09:25 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif, don't worry FD, we will let you play to.....

I hope the combo he has is legit....I know I will have one, and you? Oh that's right, stock, so you have no clue.

Just so you cheer up a bit, I talked with him last night.....nice guy, seems to be a straight shooter. I never called him a liar, just questioned his abilities, I mean let's face it, anyone can post that they have done things........some can prove it......Got Juice is one of those guys.

FD....ever stop to think that it isn't jealousy or not knowing the secret handshakehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif, but that we hope everything is on the up and up with this because he could have set a bar..........wouldn't you like to show up at a dyno with a bunch of nay sayers and drop almost five and a half on #2 alone...........

sdaver

10-07-2003, 09:46 AM

sorry I missed this had to study geography with my 5th grader.....kinda like being here......she is a little more mature at times than herehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I to talked to got juice and would love to try that stack. It might be the combo we are all searching for........jonathan(got juice) seems to be a great sincere guy that shares our similar interest.......skeptical yes a little only because its more than I have heard of with just #2. Would I try it, you bet. Would I wear it as a banner if it proved to work ..........hell yes......dave

fredw

10-07-2003, 10:03 AM

hello BIG RUSS:

i remebered when i first posted on your site, and got a freindly welcome from yourself, nice to see you here, so i read you were there when got juice dyoned his truck

CPMac

10-07-2003, 11:09 AM

Got Juice what custom program did you run? You felt it was as strong as the stack?

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 12:11 PM

Got Juice what custom program did you run? You felt it was as strong as the stack?

I do not know which base program Mark loaded into the Van AAken module to begin with. i was too busy driving the truck. what i can tell you is this, the box fuelled as hard as the stack, tranny would not upshift until we made changes to the programming (defuel) and went like a scalded dog. would this program be released to joe public?.... i doubt it... you would definately need to sign your life away!

I do not belive the module being sent to me (Thanks Mark) will even have that programming, but mark does know his stuff. When i have the module in my hot little hands i'll tell you if it is the one i had at PDR or not

The custom mod felt as strong by my SOP meter, but we unfortunately did not have enough time to dyno it :( my best guess it pretty close to the stack.Edited by: Got Juice?

sdaver

10-07-2003, 12:55 PM

so the box was borrowed and you dont still have it?.........I could have never given that one up....they would have to had a real fast truck to catch me leaving with it......davehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

hang on Im confused as usual
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif got it mark from england not mark from bully dog........this box matched the power pup hot oj stack.......got itEdited by: sdaver

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 01:02 PM

so the box was borrowed and you dont still have it?.........I could have never given that one up....they would have to had a real fast truck to catch me leaving with it......davehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

hang on Im confused as usual

I know i know...... if i could only have gotten that laptop from him, and copied the programming files, who would need the box?..... so many people with programming ability but not the base maps.... sure would have been cool to have though. oh well, when it gets here i'll verify it is the hot one, then send it to somone with a decent tranny to try out!

GMC-2002-Dmax

10-07-2003, 01:06 PM

I rolled my '02 on a WINPEP/DYNOJET at Unlimited Motor Sports in CT and will be back there on October 25th with the CT. Posse.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Anyway I looked at my Dyno Sheets, Stock Tranny and Airbox with a wastegate hose still connected I saw about 27 psi boost at 3150 rpm.

My baseline number with an Alli was 249/421

my v4.61 Hot OJ yielded 387/721

Stacked with Predator 40hp and Hot OJ yielded 408/742

Stacked with Predator 65hp and Hot OJ yielded 412/755

Stacked with Predator 40hp,Hot OJ and a VA pressure on 70hp yielded 435/774

Stacked with Predator 65hp,Hot OJ and a VA pressure on 70hp yielded 429/785

This was rolling at 1600 rpm on a Dyno Tech II commanded 4th gear/ TCC LOCKED.

Dyno loading to build boost at lower rpms and the runs started at 1400-1600 rpm up to the redline at 3200. Optical sensor was on the balancer.

I am not doubting any one at this point, this is what we saw that day with this particular combo.

Obviously the two stack combo's are not even close to the same.

We are hoping to have a 215 stealth tuner to roll with a comp juice stack on the 25th.

It would be nice if we could try a BD box as well.

Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY

sdaver

10-07-2003, 01:08 PM

d gamble
1606 queen city ave
tuscaloosa alabama 35401......Ill pm my fed ex account numberhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Ol Blue

10-07-2003, 03:18 PM

Got Juice,

I'd send you my $.02 to help start the tranny fund, but then you'd be short $.35 after paying the postage. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

In the name of friendly competition, I can't wait to see what you do next!

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 07:07 PM

sdave....did you get the fax i sent you of the dyno run yet?

You are welcome to post it. anything would be better than those crummy webcam pics i took

BMDMAX

10-07-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Got Juice:

weight 7300lbs.....best Q/M to date is 14.18@ 100 mph

full fuel load... me 225 lbs.... both 5er and goose hitches in the back

Let me start by saying I am NOT calling you out on your dyno run. I am curious about your 1/4 mile run though. Was the 1/4 you ran done with the same stack you dynoed?

My truck weighs the same and it ran a 13.18 @ 103.51 with less horsepower. A full second better with about 50 less horses? Even if you soft launched to keep traction up you would have to be in the 13's with that kind of power. Just wondering.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifEdited by: BMDMAX

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 07:34 PM

BIG DIPPER

10-07-2003, 08:06 PM

Got juice.......those numbers look very familiar. I could run the 14.1, but that mph I only saw on the Gtech.......track was always 91-92 area.

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 08:40 PM

well my last dynojet experience with hot juice version 4.3 was a 408/749 at the wheels.

i have tried the stack in the quarter, but i do not want to limp the tranny, so i tend only to run the hot juice when i race, that is until i get the tranny done..then...look out!

sdaver

10-07-2003, 09:26 PM

got the fax will post tommorrow

Got Juice?

10-07-2003, 09:46 PM

got the fax will post tommorrow

Not a bad looking curve IMHO

sdaver

10-07-2003, 10:58 PM

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SmokinMax

10-07-2003, 11:27 PM

got juice ....i too made close to the same numbers you did on a dyno jet with hot oj ...and limping alli...i made 408 and 842....

Big Russ

10-08-2003, 03:07 AM

hello BIG RUSS:

i remebered when i first posted on your site, and got a freindly welcome from yourself, nice to see you here, so i read you were there when got juice dyoned his truck

Howdy Fred! No - I wasnt at Piers http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I had to run south for family reasons. But I hear 'Juice got quite the applause! I woulda loved to be there. Juice and I were supposed to trade rides for a show and tell - I'll bet I woulda been real REAL impressed! I've been slingshotted around in a couple of 500hp Dodge Auto trucks - but never in a 543hp Dmax! Jon I'm looking forward to that... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

socaldmax

10-08-2003, 04:36 AM

Got Juice,

Sorry, I just saw this thread.

Welcome to the forum! Good to see you're spreading the good word among the Cummins guys and some of them seem to be able to get past the brand issue and are honestly impressed by your truck, even if it is a Chebby!

I'm sure you're tired of people seemingly attacking you - well rest assured they are not attacking you but trying to figure out how these numbers were arrived at based on the modules you were using. I have no doubt that you got those numbers and the dyno charts prove that those are the numbers recorded by the equipment.

"from 242 stock..... to 379 ('unleaded juice') to 408 (hot juice) to 543 (hot OJ/BD stack or Van Aaiken will do the same with a few tweakages right Mark?)"

I have the utmost respect for Piers and his technical expertise, but something literally doesn't add up. What type of dyno was used? How could torque not be measured? IIRC, proper dyno measurement is done with torque readings, and hp is calculated from that.

The "unleaded" Juice produces about 85 to 90 hp on every single truck I'm aware of, so I'm at a loss to explain how it produced a whopping 137hp on your truck. The Hot Juice is advertised as 125hp but I've heard it can produce between 130 and 140hp. I don't have any logical idea how it could produce 166hp. The BDPP 155 stacked with a 125hp Hot Juice will produce considerably less hp than adding the numbers together.

On 9/29/02, I dynoed a regular Juice (3.61) on a Mustang dyno (generally considered to be more conservative and more accurate than others). The operator, Joe at Pacific Performance, used a Tech II to command 4th gear and lock the TC. He then did a calibration run to calculate drivetrain losses and gear changes due to tire size differences and then carefully started the recording, accelerated the truck and stopped the recording. My numbers were 247.6hp/430ft-lbs stock and 331.9hp/653ft-lbs with Juice level 4. This is a gain of 85hp/223ft-lbs out of an advertised 90/250. As you can see, it falls within the realm of what is advertised. We then ran the Powershot 2000 propane system and it yielded 345.2hp/601.1ft-lbs, a gain of 98hp/171ft-lbs out of an advertised 100hp/200ft-lbs.

We then ran the Juice level 4 and propane together for a total of 401.1hp/724.6ft-lbs. This is a gain of 70hp/70ft-lbs over Juice alone, or calculated another way, a gain of 56hp/123ft-lbs over propane alone. Notice how these stacks don't add up to separate figures, but propane or N20 stack much better with timing boxes than boxes stack with each other, since they are providing fuel or O2 in different ways. A pressure box complements a timing box, N2O adds to that, propane adds to that, etc.

The dyno numbers posted by GMC2002 are a perfect example of what one might expect to see with those boxes by themselves and stacked.

Anyways, great work!

Got Juice?

10-08-2003, 11:42 AM

I really am not too crazy about stirring up a bunch of controversy.

All the dyno runs i have posted i still have on file, and although i do not dispute the fact that a stack shouldn't make that much difference, on this particular day, running these particular products on my truck , and comparing my numbers to other trucks who made no other modifications since we last dynoed that were spot on, i have to believe that this number is correct. Qualified people WERE running the dyno cell.....I did the driving.... rpms start was calibrated on the machine and they did verify my rpms when the run finished. So there were a few surprised people there as well. My bottom line is this: most trucks dynoed as expected... some slightly higher 3-5 hp some a little lower, but a 100 hp difference on my truck from what you have posted is equally hard to believe. If you don't believe it, i thoroughly encourage you to buy the same products i did and try it out.

J

PEANUTGRWR

10-08-2003, 11:53 AM

Joe E

10-08-2003, 12:35 PM

Ok, been following this intently. I am running an Edge/Attitude, am planning on getting a tranny upgrade this spring cuz I'm HOOKED, and GotJuice's setup is impressive, but also has raised my questioning eyebrows.

I mean, according to his dyno reports, I can drop another $420 (give or take, not counting tranny), and be (well) over 500Hp. This is contrary to posted findings everyone esle has had (for a long time). Believe me, I'm NOT jealous because I mis-invested or anything (all I have is a 125 Juice but have future desires), but I am suspicious (not of GJ personally, just the results).

I would love nothing more than for a couple more people to set theirs up the same way and see if we have similar results: SO I CAN SET MINE UP THAT WAY!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I think people should determine the best way to confirm that the HJ/BD will give these results (for anyone), and really leave the personal attacks/defense out of this discussion -> let's leave it technical: ie verify the dyno (as GJ already has to the best of his ability), verify the setup, etc.

GotJuice, I think it would be invaluable for the forum in general (and MEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif), if you or someone who has a BD could loan it out for someone with easy access to a dyno (and running a HJ) to run the same setup and see what's up on a different truck and dyno (and driver, but I assume that won't make a 100Hp diff).

Just my $0.02 - I would love this setup to prove itself a top-value stackup (I can just see the price of the two going sky-high).Edited by: Joe E

sdaver

10-08-2003, 12:40 PM

trying to work out the details

Joe E

10-08-2003, 12:51 PM

Good deal Dave, keep us up to date! Thanks.

Mackin

10-08-2003, 12:53 PM

GOTJUICE, I WOULD BE JEALOUS OF YOU TOO IF I HAD SPENT 3000-4000 ON A TRANNY UPGRADE AND STILL COULDNT HANG WITH YOU ON THE DYNO LMAO. LIGHTEN UP GUYS JEALOUSY WILL GET YOU NOWHEREhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

No turd Peanut ..... I just got my tranny done.....I could only break 400 (422) once then she was slip sliding ,bouncing of the rev limiter way early .....

WTF

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Where to (insert word) is Quad ??? Someone go invite Bully Dog over ..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: Mackin

sdaver

10-08-2003, 12:59 PM

hunting season

sdaver

10-08-2003, 03:58 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DDD_untitled2.jpgEdited by: sdaver

Quadzilla

10-08-2003, 03:59 PM

I am here....

Numbers look funny to me but....I wasn't there.

Sounds like a N20 number, but like I said I wasn't there.

If that stack makes 543.....I should make like 600+http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I don't know what to say thats why I stayed out of it!

PEANUTGRWR

10-08-2003, 04:32 PM

LMAO OK MAC SETTLE DOWN GEEEZZZZ. BY THE WAY HOW MUCH WEIGHT DID YOU LOOSE SINCE YOUVE BEEN WALKING FOR SEVERAL WEEKS????????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

Got Juice?

10-08-2003, 04:40 PM

No nitrous.... no C3H8.... diesel#2 only. i don't want a bottle-fed baby!

Overvalved

10-08-2003, 09:05 PM

I remember reading somthing about trucknutz, those are good for anohter 40+ horse! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

-Zach

Maverick

10-08-2003, 09:38 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I just added another decal!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Problem solved!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL227/437876/941414/29461144.jpg

Got Juice?

10-08-2003, 10:48 PM

Good post Mav.....lets keep up the good work

fredw

10-08-2003, 10:59 PM

http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL228/1516908/2896597/35368258.jpg

fredw

10-08-2003, 11:10 PM

do not know how long above gtech graph will be here, but for now this is my smartbox, power pup combo, as for the 1/4mile speed, i do remember reading a post from kenedey in regards to gtech speed was a math calulation compared to a track speed which was a trap speed, rather than a math calulation, always lower than gtech, if someone else can say more on this please dohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif, also looks like my stock time is very compariable to other people with stock trucks

Got Juice?

10-08-2003, 11:17 PM

you have the 85 hp bully dog?

you can also get the 155 hp version...which is the one i have

fredw

10-08-2003, 11:33 PM

i do not have the 155hp version, the first day when i was testing all the hp settings, when i set it to the 95hp it put my tranny to limp mode in the 5th gear stacked with the 110va, i only tried it once, so i have not look for more hp

Rob Hanson

10-08-2003, 11:47 PM

Wow. This is quite a thread....

I was there at Piers Dyno day. I have known Piers for about 4 1/2 years, and I can say that I have never known him to take a shortcut in anything he does for a customer. He was trained on the dyno as was his crew. Juice got those numbers cause he earned them.

Piers and his crew worked from sunrise to way after sunset, trying to dyno everyone that wanted to, and then donated the money to the local children's hospital. He is a top notch man, with a lifetime of experience with diesels.

Even if I had never met Juice, which I have, I would absolutely believe the numbers cause of where he got them!

I have known Juice for over a year, and been able to spend time with him at several gatherings. He is a top notch kinda guy, I would give him the key to my house if he needed it (maybe not the combo to my gun safe, tho! )

Would you guys believe a cummins dynoed at 752hp? It did! Sorry to say, it was not me...I'm about 1/2 of that!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Overvalved

10-09-2003, 12:06 AM

The few times I have delt with Piers he and his company have been very accomodating and a pleasure to work with. When I sent my HX35 turbo up to them to be "piersified" they accidently shipped the wrong turbo back to me. I can understand how this could happen after seeing how many turbos they deal with. After a call I send the turbo back and they not only ended up paying for all the postage but I payed less than quoted for my turbo. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Smile.gif

bhaner

10-09-2003, 12:10 AM

I too was at Piers Dyno day. Got Juice had a very impressive run. From the bay where some of us were watching there were many "holly s***'s" after the numbers posted.

As for the accuracy of the dyno, my truck at the time was completely stock. With the HO 6 speed I pulled a 257.8 hp and 550 ft/lbs. This is within 10 hp of where multiple other trucks with the same configuration as mine ended up.

As for Piers and his team, they are top notch in my book. They are on the cutting edge of diesel performance. Some of the most knowledgeable and friendly guys in the business. It was a great event for all of us.

hoot

10-09-2003, 12:17 AM

Overvalved

10-09-2003, 12:33 AM

Overvalved,

It's great to see all brands involved in these threads. There's a ton of stuff to learn from all you guys that have been doing some of this stuff way before the GM boys got serious.

hoot

I'm open to learn all I can and it certainly seems that the Dmax has been a saving grace for GM in terms of diesel technology and reliablity. I'm not sure what the Dmax crowd has availible for aftermarket turbos but I know that if Piers got into it whatever comes out of his shop will be a welcome addition to the 6.6. Edited by: Overvalved

Big Russ

10-09-2003, 12:43 AM

Good to see ya here Rob! 725hp? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif WOW

Diesel Power

10-09-2003, 01:04 AM

turbo girl

10-09-2003, 01:16 AM

My name is Morgana and I am a proud member of Team PDR , part of the reason I am proud to work at PDR is because Piers and the rest of the PDR crew are some of the finest people I know. I am angered and shocked to say the least at the accusation that anyone at PDR would in any way shape or form "fix" numbers at a dyno event. Integrity is a large part of PDR, and anyone who has dealt with Piers knows that. I was of course at our dyno event on Sept. 26th and am the person who recorded Jonathans ( Got Juice ) numbers. To say the least we were all amazed by those numbers and very proud of him; he takes a lot of ribbing from all the Dodge boys and comes through smiling no matter what. How sad that a site dedicated to chevrolet wouldn't be as proud if not more that a fellow chevy lover would do so good. This is my first and last post on a site that encourages such slanderous accusations. We put on an event to show everyone our new location, raise a few dollars for charity and above all to have fun and hope that everyone who attended went away with a happy memory of our first dyno event.

Ol Blue

10-09-2003, 01:29 AM

I've been watching this fairly silently thinking eventually, everyone would get to know Got Juice, his integrity, and his impeccable honesty, if not by meeting him, then by reading his intrinsically open posts.

Got Juice, thanks for sharing your information. You can have the keys to my house also...Anytime! Enough said.

Questioning Piers' and group competency......I would greatly like to quote an honest man that had been made very upset on how to use a rope.....

Overvalved

10-09-2003, 01:42 AM

As much as I love my boy http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Broken Heart.gif he does on occassion stretch the truth.As a youngin we called him pinnoccio.He's been clinically diagnosed as dyslexic, so if he's claiming 543, I'm betting reality is 345

You should be very proud! You have raised a fine young man!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Got Juice?

10-09-2003, 01:45 AM

Ol Blue

10-09-2003, 02:04 AM

*LMAO*!!!!!!!

we could always helmholtz the forum eh rip?

Speak to your mom with respect! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif That's to be a Capital "R"!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Big Russ

10-09-2003, 02:41 AM

PEANUTGRWR

10-09-2003, 03:05 AM

HEY GOTJUICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUVE DONE GOOD IN SHORRING UP YOUR STORY --------TO GET ALL OF THESE GUYS AND GALS AND UHHHHHH WHATEVER THEY ARE TO BACK UP YOUR STORY. BUT THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY "DIESEL PAGE" AND "FENCE RIDER" CERTIFIED????????? IF THEY ARENT ------ALL OF THE ABOVE POSTS ARE JUST GIBBERISH!!!!!! I MEAN IF THEY DONT HAVE THE CREDENTIALS THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF TYPING FOR NOTHING. THEY HAVE TO FALL INTO A CERTAIN CLICK THAT HAS TO PASS THE INSPECTION OVER ANYTHING THAT IS SAID OR DONE FOR IT TO BE "BY DAMN THE TRUTH" SO BEFORE I BELIVE ANY OF IT THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON IT OK.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Big Russ

10-09-2003, 04:46 AM

Huh??? I've read that half a dozen times.... still makes no sense... (Muddy?? that you?)

If he can get a bunch of Dodge fanatics to believe him (We witnessed it all..) it should be that much easier to make believers out of GM drivers..

Heres my credentials...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/6CD_sizeimage.jpgEdited by: Big Russ

Joe E

10-09-2003, 10:12 AM

Holy whining Batman!

Someone put together this combo on another truck and let's see if we have THE SWEET COMBO here!!!

And if the results aren't duplicated, maybe then it's time to question why not... Until then, the useless comments (including this drivel) just take up bandwidth diluting an interesting thread!

Ol Blue

10-09-2003, 10:36 AM

...AND UHHHHHH WHATEVER THEY AREHmmm.....Not sure if I'm supposed to be insulted or challenged??? If insulted - yeah, whatever, if challenged - when and where?

TO BACK UP YOUR STORY. BUT THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY "DIESEL PAGE" AND "FENCE RIDER" CERTIFIED?????????Well, I'm allowed to post, so I guess I'm Diesel Page certified??? I've ridden and repaired many fences, you want to assist on the next set? You close to Northern Idaho?

IF THEY DONT HAVE THE CREDENTIALSHow's 436hp with Stage 2 injectors? That creative enough to have credentials? And no, I'm not done with these little 2s. The current modification is almost 4 months into testing and developing, but it's still not quite there darned it. And...yeah, I've got the dyno chart. This game is a LOT more than just bolting on and plugging in parts. And sometimes....it's believing what someone else has accomplished so it can be tweaked, perfected, and/or expanded on.

FALL INTO A CERTAIN CLICK THAT HAS TO PASS THE INSPECTION OVER ANYTHING THAT IS SAID OR DONE FOR IT TO BE "BY DAMN THE TRUTH" SO BEFORE I BELIVE ANY OF IT THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON IT OK.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I still regret clicks from high school. To look cool, others were insulted...all in the name of vanity.

How about we get back to the topic at hand. Some REALLY good news about diesel performance?

Got Juice, did you get a chance to observe gauges while you were running? How were they? Is the defueling caused by a speed limiter? Is that solveable?

And for the big question.....Did you keep the wheel weights on? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Ol Blue

hoot

10-09-2003, 10:50 AM

Got Juice?

10-09-2003, 11:23 AM

How about we get back to the topic at hand. Some REALLY good news about diesel performance?

Got Juice, did you get a chance to observe gauges while you were running? How were they? Is the defueling caused by a speed limiter? Is that solveable?

And for the big question.....Did you keep the wheel weights on? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

[/QUOTE]

Wheel weights....check.... gauges....uhhh yeah they were fine..... they were also reading a little on the warm side.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

Got Juice?

10-09-2003, 11:24 AM

CPMac

10-09-2003, 12:12 PM

Nice graph. Too bad you didn't run it up to the governor, at the rate it was building it would have easily went over 550. I am also impressed with the tq reading as it looks to be very close to 1100 but probably 1080? That would be the most tq on #2 also. I wish you would have dyno'd the VA box by itself so we could have known if it would have done better than the stack, after all if it was there would be no since in buying two boxes then.

Rob Hanson

10-09-2003, 12:18 PM

Hoot...I don't know ya, but think I like ya. You have a good attitude, at least on this thread!

Maybe some of the guys that don't believe Juice are the same ones that would stretch the story on their own behalf.

It seems to me that if you trust people, it is because you, yourself, are trustworthy. When we have diesel events in my area, I leave my front door unlocked and allow people to come in at all hours of the night that they show up, grab a couch or the floor, and sack out til morning. I trust them, their actions, and what they say. Til PROVEN otherwise.

The groups here in the northwest do some cool stuff. Its not just dodges. its fords and chevs, too. Its called Pay it Forward. Rent the movie. Kinda our creed. We also transport stuff around the northwest for each other. We have helped a guy purchase a 1st gen cummins, helped transport horses, helped newbies work on their truck, etc. I was under the asumption all of these groups were like that...guess not.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Rip...LOL.

Ol Blue...sure would like to meet ya some day.

Overvalved...are ya in the low 12s yet?

Rob Hanson

10-09-2003, 12:21 PM

Big Russ...that was 752hp, not 725...Jason got that on #2 only!

CPMac

10-09-2003, 02:26 PM

Rob I also would also share the house for anyone even Got Juice but that doesn't mean I believe there wasn't some type of error somewhere. But it does make me wonder about him with the statement he makes in his signature "stock with 544hp" I mean come on that is a definate stretch no matter how you read it.

Quadzilla

10-09-2003, 02:34 PM

I am not doubting the number was made, but something doesn't add up. It simple you can't take and add numbers together. I am sure he made the number, but he isn't telling us something. This is fine as most people who make big numbers don't tell all.....

NWB Hoss

10-09-2003, 02:35 PM

Hey Juice!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif
I finally got myself all logged on!
I just wanted to let any of you who are interested
know that I was at PDR and I not only saw the dyno run
in question I also went for a ride in the truck in question.
It puzzles me as to why you seem so unwilling to believe
there is a chevy out there able to hit those numbers?
Just because it is not your truck???????
Juices numbers are good as you have heard from several other Dodge owners.
It is hard to fathom that he would need a bunch of Dodge people to vouch for him.
But Juice is a stand up guy so vouch for him we will!!!
I was a firm chevy non-believer and gave Juice his fair share of crap also
until he took me for a ride!!!
Fastest truck I have ever been in!!!
Believe it or not But either way Got Juice
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif You are the man!!!

hoot

10-09-2003, 02:52 PM

Looks like it's back to the drawing board for some of you guys.....

CPMac

10-09-2003, 02:59 PM

NWB Hoss I don't doubt that his truck impressed the heck out of a lot of people including several Dodge boys. I also agree that several people saw the run and the numbers that it spit out. I also know he said the Van Aaken made as much power by itself. I don't know what kind of correction factor was used that day but it could have been the reason also but that would mean all the numbers would be off some and I doubt that so it's probably just like Quad said some don't tell all. That would also make the most sense taking into account the 544 hp stock statement. I also agree that it would be fine for him to not disclose all of his setup to make this hp but claiming to make it with less than it takes is a bad sales tactic in my book.Edited by: CPMac

Joe E

10-09-2003, 03:06 PM

Ok, enough of the "verifications" - I have no doubt that the dyno read what he posted, that his truck is fast, etc.

The question I think we all want to know, is will the Hot OJ and the BD Pup ALONE make that kinda power (and if not, just say there was a little more to the truck) on a similar truck, and if so, I'm sure there's more than a few programmers out there who want to know HOW/WHY, and a few consumers who would be curious if there's something *funny* as a drawback which to this point is unknown.

Let's have some technical discussion on why these boxes would or couldn't "add" so much. Regardless what's been seen to this point in other stacks.

Let's face it, if all it takes is those two boxes and some tranny work, the big dogs will be pushing the envelope even further.Edited by: Joe E

Overvalved

10-09-2003, 03:54 PM

I am not doubting the number was made, but something doesn't add up. It simple you can't take and add numbers together.

It has been known to happen on modified dodges (bigger injectors and or turbo) That Comp boxes, rated from the maufacturer at 120-130 horse, are good for 200horse at the rear wheels. Now I know Juice's injectors and turbo are stock but it shows that sometimes its more complicated than simple additon.

CPMac

10-09-2003, 04:22 PM

Overvalved when has any box made 200hp that is rated at 120-130. I assume you mean that with the injectors or turbo and box you gained 200hp. Every truck i've seen on the dyno with performance turbo's and injector's wouldn't lose near the box's rated hp by turning it off. Just as any stack combination on a Duramax isn't going to yield full advertised #'s. I also would like to see what the hot juice and the BD pup would do on other vehichles, heck I just wish he would have made another run to back up his numbers.

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 04:23 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Huh??? I've read that half a dozen times.... still makes no sense... (Muddy?? that you?)

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/6CD_sizeimage.jpg

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=CPMac]Overvalved when has any box made 200hp that is rated at 120-130. I assume you mean that with the injectors or turbo and box you gained 200hp. Every truck i've seen on the dyno with performance turbo's and injector's wouldn't lose near the box's rated hp by turning it off. QUOTE]

ive seen it happen with big injectors on idahoctd's rig. over 200 hp gain with the box on. [130 hp rated box]

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 04:42 PM

yep,,,,,,,,,,i be anutha one who witnessed juices run. shocked the heck out of me that a shivy could do that good but i seen it wid my own eyes. and i also know that numbers of some trucks on piers dyno were consistant with numbers on other dynos so the dyno aint off. way to go juice. good numbrs for a chevy.

gee,,,,,,,,after a day try'n i finnally got on this site w/o an error message

sdaver

10-09-2003, 04:45 PM

with injectors......agreedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/BFF_peelout.gif

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 04:46 PM

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 04:49 PM

Quadzilla

10-09-2003, 06:11 PM

See you are either confused or not wanting to tell it the way it is.

A box rated at 130hp is not making more power with injectors. The injectors are making more power because of the box. A quick example would be the fact that the boxes block the map sensor from seeing to much boost. There is a lot more to what is making power.

By the way I am not saying its not possible to make those numbers because its not my truck, I believe I might have him covered.

So to get to the bottom of this lets do a dyno.......If I am wrong I will pay for the stuff and dyno time....fair enough?

Who do we want to dyno it?

get some details and lets get this program on the road.

Quad

NWB Hoss

10-09-2003, 06:26 PM

See you are either confused or not wanting to tell it the way it is.

*
Once again you are calling us all lier'shttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

A box rated at 130hp is not making more power with injectors. The injectors are making more power because of the box. A quick example would be the fact that the boxes block the map sensor from seeing to much boost. There is a lot more to what is making power.

*

By the way I am not saying its not possible to make those numbers because its not my truck, I believe I might have him covered.

*

So to get to the bottom of this lets do a dyno.......If I am wrong I will pay for the stuff and dyno time....fair enough?

*
Piers Dyno was not good enough????

Who do we want to dyno it?

Again Piers Dyno was not good enough???

get some details and lets get this program on the road.

Quad
The program is on the road and Juice is behind the wheel!!!!

*

Big Russ

10-09-2003, 06:35 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Huh??? I've read that half a dozen times.... still makes no sense... (Muddy?? that you?)

Sorry Muddy... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Got Juice?

10-09-2003, 06:47 PM

Stock means STOCK!...... the ONLY things on the truck are 4" banks EXH.... K&N drop in filter and a 2 box stack!

STOCK INJECTORS/TURBO/TRANNY/IT EVEN BREATHES STOCK AIR!

BMDMAX

10-09-2003, 06:57 PM

Got Juice,

I think that your definition of stock is up for interpretation. As a purist, (I am and most of these guys are) if you say stock then it should be taking the truck and adding the two boxes. There should be zero other mods done.

That said, a four inch exhaust and a K&N drop in won't make up the difference in HP.

I think that a run on Piers dyno is good enough for just about anybody but I would like to see it done on my truck to get that second opinion everybody wants. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

CPMac

10-09-2003, 07:47 PM

I understand stock and that is fine to have an air filter and exhaust but with the statement stock 544 hp that leads us to believe you are fos. because stock they make 300 fwhp.

NWB Hoss Piers dyno would be fine but there needs to be more than one pull and possibly more than one truck. I know his truck might make the power and another may not but I don't believe his truck can back this # up at Piers or anywhere else.

Quadzilla

10-09-2003, 08:21 PM

Yes, you heard me I don't believe 544 is obtainable with what has been reportedly done to that truck.

Joe E

10-09-2003, 08:32 PM

NWB Hoss,
I for one want to see this duplicated on another truck, on another dyno. NOT because I'm calling anyone a liar, but because if the exhaust, K&N, and the 2 chips are all that are needed to get that power, there'll be a lot more people ordering/making that setup.

Likewise, there could be some fluke in his numbers; the truck had a burst of 100% oxygen, the dyno had a surge of electricity, some crazy alignement of the planets - I don't know.

If it can't be duplicated, or even close, then something's wrong - NOBODY'S a "LIAR" (unless someone actually is, but I'm taking the numbers to be real). If it can, then it's a sweet combo, and I'll be ordering mine right away!!!

If there is any way to get a BD155 to GrandRapids this weekend, there's an event being hosted by dmaxalliTech and there will many Hot OJs on hand - heck I think dmaxalliTech just finished putting his Transgo in, so tranny strength concern could be minimized. This would be an opportunity to standardize the results!!!

Anybody, Bueller, Bueller?

hoot

10-09-2003, 08:35 PM

Got Juice?

10-09-2003, 09:05 PM

Without Prejudice.

To the members on the board who have decided to push this in a direction unbecoming you have lost a potential member.(no big deal i am sure)

It is not enough i guess to satisfy you people with a Dyno sheet. You candy coat things, so no i cannot DIRECTLY say anyone called me a liar, but switch shoes..... YOU MAY NOT HAVE DIRECTLY SAID SO IN AS MANY WORDS< BUT YOU MADE YOUR BED GO SLEEP IN IT.

You Just had to start inferring that the rest of the people there do not know what they are talking about.... most of them with more dynotime under their belt than you could have in 10 more lifetimes CPmac...and these so called 'critical' D*D*E People have earned my respect far more than this sorry group could ever hope to measure up to. They Grasp the terms Honour and Truth.... And yes, my first few visits to their forums was not without incident, but everything was dealt with in a respectful adult manner. 'Mean People Suck' and so does this rat-Hole IMHO.

I am sure there are good people on here somewhere, just because i haven't met enough noteworthy ones does not mean there aren't any, and i certainly mean you no disrespect.

This goes out to the people in this forum who do not care to believe anything even when the evidence is there to back it up and then some.

This has got to be the biggest disappointment of a forum i have ever had the displeasure of being a part of. The level of ignorance is absurd. I submit that unless things change this will be my last post on this forum (and you are thinking good riddance at this point, i can tell) but you have lost my respect and a few of you will never see one thin dime of my business. I prefer my friends and associates to be honest, and this basic criteria has not even been met here.

I will not refer anyone else to this site EVER, not even someone i dislike profusely, and they will not get any product recommendations from any vendor who has contributed to this discussion in a non-constructive way.

I do hope i get banned.... i could care less.... my NWB friends know me and know what ihave done... i have nothing else to add to this thread that would not sink me lower to your level, and with that i say good luck

Juice

NWB Hoss

10-09-2003, 09:12 PM

Yes, you heard me I don't believe 544 is obtainable with what has been reportedly done to that truck.

Is that only because none of the boxes you make are capable of that kind of horse power increase?

As far as all these Dyno duds who do not believe the numbers are ligit I do not think you would believe it if you where there and saw the run with your own eyes. obviously if YOUR truck can't do it nobody's can. Any of you who have ever spent any time on more than one Dyno know that every day and every Dyno are different and each type has it's own differences. You can Dyno the same truck on the same Dyno with the same driver on two different days and be 20hp off. So unless Juice made more hp than before on whatever Dyno you deemed worthy of your presence you would run him out on a rail for making 2 less hp.

Apparently you believe us (those who saw Juice Dyno) too unintelligent to understand what we saw. You all should try to not be so narrow minded and rigid.

I do now see why Juice came to The Bombers site over this one when all he wanted to do was talk about his (Chevy) truck without being racked over the coals, the funny thing is he had to go to a Dodge site to get the recognition he deserves.

marksmith

10-09-2003, 09:18 PM

LOL Juice it seems like you have these fellers all tied up. LMAOhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Seems like everyone here is calling you out and saying it wont work but NOBODY has these two boxes stacked to prove you wrong (unless I overlooked it) I for one never figured these over-cylinder'd diesels would be worth more than a boat anchor ('specially given chebby's reputation with diesels) I was quickly proven wrong. From the takeoff when Mark from VA was in the rig to that dyno. I am impressed and wont bash the d-max for power. (Chevy on the other hand is still fair game http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif)

I will tell what I saw and know. Piers' dyno is very consistant IMHO I was on the rollers twice, four hours apart the only differance was some oil additives. They was 3 HP and 15 TQ differance between the two. That is consistant if you ask me. There were also a couple rigs there that I am aware of that were unchanged from their last dyno. Their numbers were very close to their last run, therefor I see these numbers as real figures.

Under Juices hood is stock. Airbox and all. The only differance I seen was the stack that was on the drivers side of the engine. Other than that, perfectly normal. Out back was a SS 4" exhaust. I was over every square inch of that thing and never did I see propane or NOS (or anything else for that matter) There were ample amounts of fast food wrappers, fishing pole, tackle, stuff for pulling his 5ver, coat, cig's.... you get the picture. No special stuff. These figures are real fellers. I have a feeling when he gets a tranny behind that d-max all He!! is going to break loose!!!! I for one cant wait.

As for Helmholtz, Juice you give me a time and place.. I will show up and show them what a diesel is supposed to sound like.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Later

Mark

hoot

10-09-2003, 09:22 PM

Got Juice,

One dyno? You get questioned about it. You leave?
People get questioned all the time on these forums. Lighten up.

Can you run that consistantly and is it possibly for me to do exactly what you reveal and get the same results?

No malice intended.Edited by: hoot

Joe E

10-09-2003, 09:27 PM

MUDDYMESS

10-09-2003, 10:02 PM

[/QUOTE}

I do now see why Juice came to The Bombers site over this one when all he wanted to do was talk about his (Chevy) truck without being racked over the coals, the funny thing is he had to go to a Dodge site to get the recognition he deserves.

[/QUOTE]

yep,,,,,,,,,,,,,the dodge folks are a nice, friendly bunch http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Joe E

10-09-2003, 10:10 PM

Muddymess, I need a full screen of your avatar... hehe

Geerrhead

10-09-2003, 11:17 PM

Juice,

I hope you stick around. Your HP #'s are incredible, The envy of most.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif These are a good bunch of guy's. I have had a the pleasure of meeting quite a few in the Northeast. I have made internet friends across the country. I look forward to making friends across the border in Canada! My friend owns a shop with a Dyno Jet. I am fortunate to be able see many vehicles go on the roller's. It's a great place for a bunch of motorheads to hang out. I have seen a Buick V-6 exceed the limitations of the dyno! I have also heard all the BS that goes with it. Bench racing is great, I just wish that peoples ego's would not get in the way. I know it's a long haul, but you are welcome at our BBQ's and Dyno events in Connecticut.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Big Russ

10-09-2003, 11:27 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Juice!

Diesel Power

10-09-2003, 11:36 PM

Now you've gone & upset him.He does tend to hold a grudge.Juice boy please call home. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

& DON'T look at that avatar from that muddy fella........

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Unhappy.gif

Quadzilla

10-10-2003, 12:06 AM

Yes, you heard me I don't believe 544 is obtainable with what has been reportedly done to that truck.

Is that only because none of the boxes you make are capable of that kind of horse power increase?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I'm not afraid to dyno against any of them. I think I have been dynoed and scrutinized by plenty...do a search, look at 1/4 mile times....tell me what you think?

Lets see a guy runs 12.8 on a stock turbo on #2 only......with my tuner....think it makes enough power?

I am not ridiculing this guy....I am not even saying he didn't make the number. I am saying something doesn't add up......and it doesn't.

Quadzilla

10-10-2003, 12:16 AM

GotJuice,
I think your reaction is as bad as the people who are making fun of you, just the other end of the spectrum.

What you (seem to) fail to realize in your reaction, is there are a dozen, if not more, people here who are VERY knowledgeable about not only the trucks, but also the programming/code which these boxes are using. Heck, Quadzilla has been accused more than once of selling the same box at BullyDog, under his own name, and he's here questioning it because I'm sure his box, while different than BD, is more similar than not. I'm sure all the people running his box stacked with the Juice woulda seen much better results. Heck, his 215Hp w/ the H-OJ doesn't come close to yours IIRC.

If you stick this out, we are all going to find out one of three things:
1) You are right, and a pioneer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif
2) Your truck responded differently than others
3) Something was amiss in the readings...

Believe this, or not, but I sincerely hope we find number one, cuz it'll make my decision easier which box to get for a scanner/speedo tool.

You wanna bail, your decision...

Actually my tuner and their tuner are quite different. I have stated before that if someone wants to dyno them I would be happy to supply a test tuner. For some reason people would rather call me a liar than take me up on it?

I have dynoed there tuner......inlcuding the 150 hp tune. I have dynoed the juice, the "comp" juice, all the VA stuff including custom stuff. I have dynoed plenty of other products and stacks. I have hundreds of hours on a dyno with DMAX stuff. There are several ways to make a lot of power. THere are a lot of good choices available.

The reason I don't believe this number with the given products is simple.....LACK OF AIR. The stock turbo is only good for so much power without help. WE have a lot of customers making 480-510hp on #2. The upper end of that spectrum take some special precautions and a few tips and tricks to get there. I don't care how much fuel and timing you have if you can't supply air.

I think he could make good power with big VA box and any stack. The big VA box can make a lot of power. Same is said for the Big Juice.

I just think at 544 there is something wrong. A correction number? IT could be a lot of things. I think if you went to another dyno you might be disappointed......probably by 50hp or more. But you never know, that why I said lets set some truck up with this setup?

Did you get some super special thing from VA that you don't want to tell about? Are these off the shelf parts? Something doesn't add up.

CPMac

10-10-2003, 04:25 AM

I'm sorry juice I don't want you to go. I only post my opinion because I want to protect others from being misguided. If I am proven wrong I will apoligize but until then I believe I am doing the right thing. A lot of people post incomplete or wrong information and unless it is questioned then possibly thousands of others could take it as good information. I hate to see people throw money away because someone else made a mistake and nobody questioned it.

NWB Hoss I have operated and ran several types of chassis dyno's and I know that most people in the crowd at a dyno event don't have a clue what is going on. I in no way mean that the Piers crew is not trustworthy (because i'm sure they are) but it would be possible for a competent crew or the machine to make a mistake and not notice it. Therefore most of the crowd couldn't possibly notice, so your reading the sheet they printed out or reading the screen after the run proves nothing.

P.S. I know what you ran from Van Aaken and I believe that it ran just as good as the stack but we'll have to wait for further confirmation.

Mackin

10-10-2003, 08:07 AM

Lots of Dyno runs upcoming in the next few weeks .... Wouldn't take much to put this to bed once and for all .... Most people are "Comp'ed " nowadays ...... What's a Bully Dog Buck double Nickels go for ?? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

I luv to put that number out with a simple stack, might have to sell the "Gas" no need fur it .....

Hang in there Got Juice, as you momma can tell you, they'll be good days and bad .....
Everything should be backed up to calm the masses .... But you got my interest .... Cpmac has some valid points ..... People can make errors none of this should be taken Personal ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: Mackin

cdhd2001

10-10-2003, 11:22 AM

This is funny. Got juice only makes one dyno run. Only uses two boxes. Then says he got 543 hp. Yes, the dyno graph proves that 543 hp was achieved. However, no one else has seen those kind of numbers before with just two boxes. So, they question you. Then you (got juice) decide to leave and go sit in a corner and pout. That "really" seems immature on your part.

The problem here is only one dyno run for proof. To have an accurate number you have to be able to repeat it. Then you average all of them together. I would think a minimum of 3 runs would suffice.

If you are mature enough come back and do a few more dyno runs. Otherwise everybody will smell poop.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

NWB Hoss

10-10-2003, 12:16 PM

This is funny. Otherwise everybody will smell poop.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

The poop was in the air here long before Juice ever showed uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif this place is knee deep in it!!!!

Big Russ

10-10-2003, 12:36 PM

CPMac

10-10-2003, 12:39 PM

I bet he is listening.

Big Russ

10-10-2003, 12:40 PM

you could be right - but he aint responding - I called him last night.

CPMac

10-10-2003, 12:42 PM

I think that proves what I believe. He doesn't believe the numbers himself enough to defend them.

Big Russ

10-10-2003, 12:54 PM

He's got no reason to defend them - You all have seen the graphs in black and white. It's very simple. It's like arguing that the sky is up, if ya dont believe me when I say the sky is up, then your ignorant and stubborn. I'd only argue with you shortly before realizing that I'm not going to get anywhere with the argument, and I'd walk away and let you believe what you wanted to. Even if the dyno run was flawed, not too many of you gave him a pat on the back nor attempted to do anything but question his results. We're not a bunch of hayseed web footed simpletons out here. We know who our friends are and attempt to sidestep controversy. If you all dont believe the graphs that were witnessed by well over 150 people, then so be it - I'm not gonna bang my head into a stubborn brick wall anymore, and neither is he. I believe the graphs and so do the rest of his friends.

Now for a new turbo and some monster EDM injectors so I can catch up.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Juice on the dyno....

http://www.piersdiesel.com/PhotoAlbums/DynoMania03/images/dm0336.jpg

BMDMAX

10-10-2003, 01:14 PM

marksmith

10-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Well said big russ! I agree totally. It seems that someone tore up someone elses "record" for power and they got their panties in a wad. They dont understand being 11 hours away from home, slipping tranny anyway, and having to tow his 5ver and needing the ride home. Its called run what you brought. He drove it on the dyno, got awesome numbers, drove it off and drove it home. I wouldn't run it that hard again just for tickles. So you are right. The sky is up, the numbers don't lie. Get over it and grow up everyone.

Im out

Mark

CPMac

10-10-2003, 01:26 PM

Joe E

10-10-2003, 01:57 PM

NWB http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

I don't know about the NWB crew but I like to operate with a bit more data than just one run. It is just smoke if you can't repeat it. I think it is a great run, we just want it repeated on more than one truck. Hell, I would love to have those numbers on my truck.

I think it is pretty simple for you guys to grasp.

1 run = Flier, Unusually Stout Truck, or Error.

Multiple runs = Stout Truck, Good Job!

Multiple runs, Multiple Truck, Multiple Dynos = Kick Ass Combo we will all buy.

Any Questions? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

That's exactly where I'm coming from. Good numbers, GotJuice! - is that what you're looking for? If that's all you're looking for, then I don't care if you do go away (sorry to say), but I would HOPE you would be interested in helping the entire group (not even necessarily this forum, but DMax owners in general) move the needle even further! If the numbers are repeatable, then you've helped the masses. If they aren't on other trucks, then your truck is a flier, and the credit is still well deserved. If they aren't repeatable on your own truck (recognizing the point that it's your DD, and maybe you won't be pushing it like that any time soon), then there was an error.

If you and your friends can not admit that there's even a chance of this being an error, then you're being naive. Even Quadzilla has admitted it's possible, although he doubts it. By stating so, he admits there is greater than zero percent chance that it's possible. You and your friends seem to be of the opinion that there's a zero percent chance that there could have been an error. We're just trying to confirm it. Do you think anybody releases a product with one-off sampling??? Statistically, most experiments will require at least 6 samples to be considered statistically valid, but yet instead of supporting the goal of substantiating the results, people on both sides have resorted to name calling and whining.

I'm done with this thread until we have more info on the stack...

Edit: Ok, maybe not since Hoot is making fun of me http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Joe E

hoot

10-10-2003, 02:13 PM

Well.... That's it... I'm mad. I'm not talking to you guys anymore.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

CPMac

10-10-2003, 02:14 PM

Okay who is going to be next to test this combo. I would be happy to do it but i'm afraid the NW guys wouldn't believe my results because I would try it on a couple 6 speed trucks and an auto or two. If you guys would be interested let me know.

BMDMAX

10-10-2003, 02:25 PM

I got a dyno day setup for the 1st of November. Let me know if you want me to run it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

We have the dyno run on the 11th if that is too long to wait, but I don't know who would run it.

NWB Hoss

10-10-2003, 02:29 PM

I think that proves what I believe. He doesn't believe the numbers himself enough to defend them.

How about YOU!!!! Got any proof of that 508 you are so proud of??? Why don't you come over here and prove to me your numbers are ligit?? Where is your dyno sheet? Its all just a bunch of type if you cant prove it so where is your proof? There is no trust what so ever here so why should I trust you.
How about it show me the numbers!!!!

hoot

10-10-2003, 02:48 PM

It doesn't look to be so much about proof that the run was accurate. It's more like... how the heck did he do it?

543.3hp with a edge 125/BDPP 155 stack at piers dynomania!

The next questions were "Was it a spike?"]

Got Juice? answers...

"no spike... stock auto tranny.... i did it in 4th gear 2/3 throttle. Juice was starting to defuel beyond that hp level so i basically held it at 2/3 for a nice smooth dyno plot. here is some linkage for ya!"

sdaver says...

"hey thats smokin.......the other 1/3 would put you around 822..........have you made a 1/8 or 1/4 mile pass will 5th hold............why would any one need a transmission if stock will hold 544?...........not to be so skeptical it just seems like a lot..........dave"

This is where it starts to fall apart....

Got Juice says....

"If you want the number go to PDR and look at the figures. you can call it like you see it and allude i am lying, don't candy coat it .tell it like it is.

I NEVER said 5th gear would hold it in fact that is why i was careful in 4th. Instead of trying to malign me, go pee up a rope... 822...give me a break. Besides i have nothing to prove to you. The dyno run speaks for itself, and there were around 150 people there watching.

The only reason i am here is jess invited me to join in, and after talking to him i figured people on here would be less judgemental, as they are at NWBOMBERS..... so far this has not proven to be the case"

It didn't take long for the crap to start and all a couple of decent guys did was question the numbers. Once those statements were made by Got Juice, and the lady stopped by, wow. Too much

Touchy touchy

Edited by: hoot

hoot

10-10-2003, 02:54 PM

Dumb question. What kind of dyno hp numbers do you get if you keep it in first gear? Higher than when in second gear?Edited by: hoot

BMDMAX

10-10-2003, 03:25 PM

Hoot,

I don't know for sure but I bet the dyno numbers would probably look pretty good, just a real short curve. I have not tried to run the 1/4 just in first yet though....LMAO http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

king d

10-10-2003, 03:25 PM

JUICE hope you decide to stick around and also hope you dont think i led you to the lions den.to me you have showed the proof of your feats and that is that.i am like a lot of others and am like holy smack thats huge.that being said i have never repeat never ran that combo.you have and you have documented proof and witnesses as to what it did.just hang in there,these hp numbers are huge a lot more than anyone has ever made including bullydog using the same stack.as you and i talked about earlier it could be related to the hot juice you have.awesome numbers hope you stay ,and i will spin the rollers with a juice and a bd 155 very soon..... jess

Big Russ

10-10-2003, 03:29 PM

Big Russ I don't believe I want to hand out attaboy's to someone who make a statement like "544hp stock" then is questioned and admits it has every performance upgrade available on his truck in some stage other than injectors. I also noticed he reply's to some questions while avoiding others. That makes it seem like he is trying to make a sales pitch for someone. I want to talk to him more about the VA box, it should be a good topic since it seemed to make the same power as the stack.

I'm sure you would be a bit excited if you'd just spun the rollers to the same tune. From re-reading all the posts, it looked like he was attacked by a pack of coyotes. It's pretty hard to respond to 20 people at once.

So if you guys dont want to celebrate the fact that one of your own went to Dodgeville and stood up to a parking lot full of competition and made 3rd place on #2 only and gained a WHOLE lot of respect http://www.nwbombers.com/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?s=01f291f87c486c4cd02d8611b6309975;a ct=ST;f=13;t=4467 then so be it. My head hurts.... and they say Germans are stubborn... Back to the Bombers for me - allthough I think I'll stick around and answer questions in the Dodge forum. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

http://www.nwbombers.com All brands welcome! 'Juice is the GM forum Moderator!

Aufwiedersehen!

Overvalved

10-10-2003, 03:37 PM

Big Russ I don't believe I want to hand out attaboy's to someone who make a statement like "544hp stock" then is questioned and admits it has every performance upgrade available on his truck in some stage other than injectors.

Holy crap, you guys really have no room for levity around here. When someone says "544hp stock" well DUH of course he has some performance upgrades, its just supposed to note that a majority of his truck is stock. This is not some fire breathing NOs sucking, O-ringed, twin turboed trailer queen. Its a GMC with stacked boxes and like it or not GJ has dynoed 544horse, with no hidden goodies and with no hidden agenda from anyone. I cant wait to see what numbers he gets with a aftermarket tranny.

BMDMAX

10-10-2003, 04:00 PM

It's all a matter of perspective. Look at it from our side. We have guys and vendors working on these trucks for a couple of years running boxes, combo's, whatever. Lots of runs and experience compiled as a baseline of power available to us on #2. We know it is great if you are making 500 on #2.

Along comes Joe Numbnuts (Not GotJuice) but Joe Numbnutz on any dyno in the world. He makes 50 more horses than anybody else running.

You don't think that people are not going to question the results? So far I have questioned the results only. I have talked with GJ and I think he did a good job. I have no problem with the guy. All I am asking for is validation.

YOU guys can whine and snivel and say that we are a bunch of harsh judgemental aholes but the proof is in the pudding. I know if a NWB guy added just a couple of mods to his Cummins and blew your butts off the dyno you would question it just the same. You can lie and say otherwise but you would want to know for sure so you could do that same bomb.

hoot

10-10-2003, 04:05 PM

I'm sorry but like I posted earlier, Got Juice got upset aweful fast when somebody questioned results that in my eyes, were almost too good to be true with just stacked boxes.

But that doesn't mean we don't believe him. Just eliminating things that might have skewed the results.

Early on sdaver was darn polite when inquiring how he came up with the numbers. That does not fall into the category of calling somebody a liar.Edited by: hoot

CPMac

10-10-2003, 04:35 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/288_scan0001.jpg

NWB Hoss

10-10-2003, 04:52 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Edited by: NWB Hoss

Mackin

10-10-2003, 04:55 PM

First off Cpmac should bone up to how he's putting down 508 , in his handshacker ....http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Second of all The Comp Juice yields between 408 and 412 outback ...So GJ dyno'd 544 he got an approx. yield of 134 HP out of the Bully Dog stack ... AS we know pulse on pulse normaly wont yield that type of increase .... More so with an auto do to greater lose thru drivetrain ...

I also like to know what he's referring to as the Hot OJ was defueling,that is a bit confusing to me ...

No one can jump in a 215 Quad-Comp Juice dyno run ?? Or is that you Cpmac, bud ?? http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I'll be dynoing Oct 25 Th. if you want to hold your breath that long. I'll take you up on your offer Cpmac ...Matter of fact you send me a Combo I'll run it as "soon" as it gets here ...I have access to a dyno any time 40 mins away ... Have box will travel ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

BMDMAX

10-10-2003, 05:01 PM

Mac,

That's the combo I am putting on the rollers on the 1st. My gtech yielded 496 with it but I think it will go over 500. My gtech was a little bit conservative compared to the real dyno run I had a month ago.

blowingsmoke

10-10-2003, 05:54 PM

Edge 125 - 800 dollars

BDPP 155 - 450 dollars

Watching you guys turn a post into a 6 page novel - Priceless.. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

Ol Blue

10-10-2003, 06:01 PM

It's all a matter of perspective.

YOU guys can whine and snivel and say that we are a bunch of harsh judgemental aholes but the proof is in the pudding. I know if a NWB guy added just a couple of mods to his Cummins and blew your butts off the dyno you would question it just the same. You can lie and say otherwise but you would want to know for sure so you could do that same bomb.

Question it? Yes, we did question it, but not in the same as this thread has done, we didn't attack!

A quick piece of NWBers history. One guy stands up (IdahoCTD) says he's got 600+hp on #2 only, followed quickly by he's got 700hp on #2 only, and then almost as quickly comes he's well into the mid 700hp on #2 only, (I'm not trying to be vague, I really don't remember the exact numbers and they're not that relevant anyway), but there WAS NOT ONE attack post. There were plenty of questions, some technical, some general, some about durability, some about repeatability, and some even about streetability, but NOT ONE you're FOS!!!

I truly believe that Got Juice came here to share information, ask and answer questions, and as alluded to earlier, promote GM diesel enthusiasm. Reading through a variety of the posts here, many are derogatory on a close to personal, if not directly personal level. So, I also believe that the personality/character that this thread took on, pushed him away, not the quest to have the strongest, baddest, fastest Duramax, with some secret modification hidden away and undisclosed.

IdahoCTD is, to this day, involved in the NWBers and has helped many of us, myself very gratefully included. Though IdahoCTD is not "new blood" but persistent and thorough, SOMETIMES, it takes new blood, with a different view, to progress forward.

Also, Stock at 544 should be considered as typed .... an oxymoron such as mine at Slightly Stock!Edited by: Ol Blue

PEANUTGRWR

10-10-2003, 09:03 PM

HEY I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BACK OFF AND LET GOT JUICE BREATHE A LITTLE. YOU KNOW IM LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT POSTED BEFORE ME, ITS A DAMN SHAME THAT THE DODGE BOYS ARE BLOWING THIER HORNS FOR A CHEVY GUY AND NONE OF THE CHEVY PEOPLE WILL STAND UP FOR HIM HELL, IF HES LIEING OR NOT SHOULDNT WE == GM OWNERS == BE PROUD THAT THE DODGE BOYS AND GIRLS ARE BELIEVING IT!!!! LETS GIVE IT A WEEK OR SO AND LET SOMEONE ELSE OR EVEN JUICE TRY THE COMBO AGAIN BEFORE WE BURN HIM TO THE GROUND. YOU CAN CALL BULLSHEUT AFTER YOU HAVE TRIED IT OR SOMEONE ELSE HAS AND IT DOESNT WORK====FAIR ENOUGH????????

YOU GUYS KNOW HOW I HATE CONTRIVERSYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: PEANUTGRWR

Big Russ

10-10-2003, 09:14 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/DZ3_dedhorse.gif

WC=0 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif

CPMac

10-11-2003, 03:33 AM

PEANUTGRWR

10-11-2003, 04:37 AM

YEA BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH THE PUSHER PUMP ADDS

Mcfly

10-11-2003, 07:38 AM

Has anybody else been able to try this magic combo?

Mackin

10-11-2003, 09:06 AM

Mackin my truck made 508 with the Quad 215, VA custom programming (the same as Got Juice tried at the dyno day), custom downpipe and a 4" exhaust system, pusher pump and no air filtration system. The reason I don't talk about it unless asked is because the VA program is basically unobtainable unless I loan one out.

I was just bust'in your chops .... Been around long enough to know your a straight shooter .... Just thought I'd help prove it to the our new friends .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif I'm hoping to join the "public" 500 club right soon ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

Mackin

10-11-2003, 09:08 AM

YEA BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH THE PUSHER PUMP ADDS

Is it mega horsepower Nut or just a LIL ??

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

fredw

10-11-2003, 09:27 AM

Mackin my truck made 508 with the Quad 215, VA custom programming (the same as Got Juice tried at the dyno day), custom downpipe and a 4" exhaust system, pusher pump and no air filtration system. The reason I don't talk about it unless asked is because the VA program is basically unobtainable unless I loan one out

so is this number from one dyno run, you say the same as got juice,are you saing you ran the same stack as got juice, if so why did you not speak up, how do you know va 155 is not the same as quad 215, i take this with a grain of assult, because earlyer in the post, i had the felling you thought these numbers were unatainable from his stack, now you are receiving close to the same, what gives here

Mackin

10-11-2003, 09:43 AM

Fred

I think what your over looking is the "tried" Va box ... GJ said set off the pants the Custom VA he tried was stronger then the Bully Comp stack he dyno at 544...

Cpmac is running the Custom VA and Quad and a handshacker but yet his dyno sheet reports ....

What is he suppose to say GJ already left the building for nothing,should he rub salt in the wound ?? He like the rest are just trying to figure out how the dyno and he got to that number with less of a stack,as it just doesen't add ... No one is putting him down or his truck regardless of what some think here , It's nothing personal sh*t happens ....I've seen a 225 VA fall on it's face in a bursting display on a dyno .... Some guys here have a ton of time and weapons they have ran on a dyno to get to where they are at,and not ....

If everyone goes back and reads page 1 you'll see who got overly defensive first ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

hoot

10-11-2003, 10:04 AM

If everyone goes back and reads page 1 you'll see who got overly defensive first ...

Exactly my point. All GJ had to do is say "No problem boys, I realize one dyno run doesn't make a confirmed winner but I'll do it again."

Just like when you get a crappy run for some reason or other. If GJ ran 240 RWHP he wouldn't be posting it.... he'd be out dynoing it again to make sure.

It works both ways.

I hope he can do it again. I for one love seeing the Dmax kick butt in stock form... e.g. stock major engine components.

Edited by: hoot

FirstDiesel

10-11-2003, 10:07 AM

True but he came with what he thought was good news and certain forum members pissed in his cornflakes. Makes one a little upset.

hoot

10-11-2003, 10:08 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

fredw

10-11-2003, 10:17 AM

If everyone goes back and reads page 1 you'll see who got overly defensive first

sorry boys: the way i read it, it looks like he has proved what he should have, your saying prove it again, it does not add up, i would say he has on his setup, now all the non beleivers, should test and prove it, my two centsEdited by: fredw

BIG DIPPER

10-11-2003, 10:34 AM

OK Fred....

From the looks of your avitar....you have a crew/short......and you say you are 8k+?????? Are you trying to tell us you ran a 14.3 with your aux tank full???

hoot

10-11-2003, 10:43 AM

No...fred

There are some here that take a more technical/scientific approach to this. This isn't the Indy 500 or a 1/4 mile drag where once you win you're done.

With a 20% loss he's pushing 600 flywheel. That is awesome. He has doubled the stock engine rating with a stack.

I am not saying it's impossible.Edited by: hoot

Mackin

10-11-2003, 10:56 AM

And I got a 12" ..... Ah never mind ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

CPMac

10-11-2003, 11:43 AM

NWB Hoss

10-11-2003, 12:18 PM

True but he came with what he thought was good news and certain forum members pissed in his cornflakes. Makes one a little upset.

That is what I'm talking about!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

You guys bring guilty until proven innocent to a new level.

Juice is relatively new to all this and would have been more than happy to answer any and all questions and most likely travel quite a ways to meet up with fellow Duramax enthusiast's (as he has done with us Dodge guys) run his truck with you do R&D and go out of his way to cotribute to your cause. The way I see it we (Northwest Bombers) are lucky you have shuned him because he is a wonderful asset to our group. Just because you have never seen numbers like this turned means it is not possible?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

I find it hard to believe that you all are so incrediblely self centered that you actually beleive that since no one in your little group has made these numbers that it cannot be done.

All you would have needed to do was say "how the hell did you do that" or "tell us more" instead you say "I do not believe those numbers can be made with that stack"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

No you did not attack http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif You burned him at the stake!!!!

So you all sit together with your heads in the sand telling each other you have the powerful trucks on the planet and be happy that way. Meanwhile the rest of us will continue with the our pursuit of horsepower just make sure you don't leave your neck of the woods or we will embarrass the heck out of you.Edited by: NWB Hoss

NWB Hoss

10-11-2003, 12:24 PM

Fred W I used a 215 programmer and a 250 hp box to achieve those #'s. The 250 box is the same one that Got Juice tried at the dyno day but didn't run on the dyno and said was just as strong as the stack he made 544 with. If it was just as strong as the stack and I'm running another 215 hp program also maybe you can now understand why it wouldn't be possible with what he had.

That was a seat of the pants estimate!!!! That can be trusted about as much as a kid in a candy store. I cannot beleive you are digging so hard for BS comparison's you should go to work for the National Enquirer!!!Edited by: NWB Hoss

Mackin

10-11-2003, 12:50 PM

Hoss

So your saying he has "more" to say ?? The way I under stood it is he had a Bully Dog 155 and A Comp OJ and it yielded 544 wopping HP out back ..... I think he was pretty clear that's how he did it .... I asked some legit questions he responded ... Why everyone has their pants in a bunch is beyond me ... Why can't the guys who have done this question such a conquest ??

Basic math says 245 stock + 145 + 155 = 545 HP

He's stacking pulse on pulse in addition ,we could only wish it worked this way .... I'm not doubting he has the "paper" to prove his claim ... Something is a miss ... What was the correction factor do to no optic sensor figuring HP ?? What did he use to retain 4th gear,I don't recall ??

Your truck is moded ,do the math,claimed verses actual yield ..... You Cummins guy know itwell enough ... If this were on the TDR they'd rip this guy to threads ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Edit: Not trying to make this sound like we're eating our own .... As some say he is new at this,then he's getting one helluva education in refferance to stacking yields and HP ... No reason to take your ball and go home ... Even if all he has to offer is what he has ...

What happens if I or anouther come back with same stack and much lower number ??? Will you reverse your opinion or cry fowl ?? It's going to happen so prepare your self ...Edited by: Mackin

PEANUTGRWR

10-11-2003, 12:58 PM

MAC, THE LIFT PUMP ADDS APOX. WHAT 3 --------NOS STICKERS AND ONE MOROSO STICKER ADDS. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY UHHHHHHHHHHHHH MAYBE 50 HP OR SO???????

GMC-2002-Dmax

10-11-2003, 01:17 PM

Fight Nice Children............

The proof is in the pudding, I want to taste the pudding....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

Send me or Mackin your BD box, we already got the OJ, and a 215 Quad Stealth is enroute.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Let us put this baby to bed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Sleepy.gif

Ya got till the 25th for the Brown Truck to get it here.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

We will have a Suncoast Dooley and some seasoned stock Alli's to bake. We may have a "virgin" tranny sacrifice as well.

Oh, our resident CT HP/TQ king is supposed to show the paper dyno queen as well, SO........>>>> Let's see how much that stock handshaker can take..............

Better get there early or standing room only......

Let us know here in the thread or PM one of us, preferably MACKIN.

Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Quadzilla

10-11-2003, 02:57 PM

For all you people saying it is up to non-believers to prove him wrong read the following:

I OFFERED TO PAY FOR DYNO TIME AND OFFERED TO GET ANY HARDWARE I CAN SO THAT IT COULD BE TESTED.

I would do it, but who is going to believe me?

I am not here to piss in someones cheerios, but what he claims is not likely possible. Sure anything could happen, but more than likely there was an error somewhere. If he can't see that then he doesn't need to be offering his help and support.

I have people dyno all the time and call me, sometimes I tell them that soiunds about right, sometimes I tell them something is wrong it sounds low, sometimes I even tell them that it is way high. You need a reality check if you think a simple stack will make 540+ rwhp, escpecially on a stock tranny.

I don't understand what the big fuss is? Welcome to the game. I get questioned and called a liar more than anyone else. AS long as I know what is going on I can hang in there and take whatever is dished out. I am not afraid to stand up for what I believe even when people call me a liar. I just work that much harder to prove them wrong.

AS for CPMAC, I belive he showed you a dyno chart with about 5-6 runs on it. I belive at least 2 of them were over 500 and within a couple of HP. IS that not enough?

NWB Hoss

10-11-2003, 06:21 PM

For all you people saying it is up to non-believers to prove him wrong read the following:

what he claims is not likely possible. Sure anything could happen, but more than likely there was an error somewhere. If he can't see that then he doesn't need to be offering his help and support.

What he claims is more than "Likely" posssible and yes anything could happen IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE OFFERING YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT!!!!!

Practice what you preach hypercrite!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Quadzilla

10-11-2003, 06:31 PM

When you take the products you buy and add their hp numbers together, then you dyno higher than that number.......IT IS NOT LIKELY.

So from what you are saying......someone should be able to buy a Juice (90hp) and a Predator (120hp) and go dyno 470rwhp? Yeah that will happen.

hoot

10-11-2003, 08:11 PM

I knew there was more fire in this thread http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Mackin

10-11-2003, 08:50 PM

Hoss

How did you get here =>2002 HO 6-speed 462.8hp 990ftlbs torque #2 only ???

Help us understand your logic ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Joe E

10-11-2003, 10:44 PM

Off topic (sort of) question for Quad or anyone who's done it:

What would one expect out of a Quad 135 & Hot OJ stack? Worth it?What settings on each offer the most when combined?

cdhd2001

10-12-2003, 01:23 AM

It is amazing how many are crying foul just because someone questions a person’s results.

FYI, I don't own any of the boxes in question and probably won't for a while. I have a "cheapo" Superchip that is great for my needs, especially since I need to take the truck in Tuesday for a tranny leak.

With that said, let me show you an example.

I come on the forum, and one of my first posts is about my awesome stack. Lets say I run a 95 hp Superchip with 110 Quad chip. Then I go to the dyno and make only one run. That one run gives me 460 hp. Lets see, 245 (stock) + 95 + 110 = 460 hp. This is not likely because you are stacking pulse on pulse. Don’t you think people would question my results? It doesn’t matter if four of my friends were there or not. The numbers just don’t add up.

The same is true if I said the same stack yielded a 11.5 sec 1/4 mile run. It still doesn’t matter if my buddies were present or not. I would still get questioned. That is the name of the game.

Reminds me of an old saying. “If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen!”

Quadzilla

10-12-2003, 01:59 AM

Off topic (sort of) question for Quad or anyone who's done it:

What would one expect out of a Quad 135 & Hot OJ stack? Worth it?What settings on each offer the most when combined?

There are a few people that ahve done it. I don't know #'s for sure, but we are planning on finishing some testing and posting all the results on the web.

We plan to stack all of our tunes with the following:

Juice

Hot Juice

"Comp" Juice

VA 110, 150, and 235

Another box that no one has ever seen!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

We think that this info would be relative for all the people that have a "box" and would like either more power or would like to remove their limiter and be able to change tire sizes. Or both!

Typically from what has been seen there is another 10-18 hp available from a VA, or Edge Comp stack over our 215. This is due to the timing advance at higher rpm's.

We are still working on teh big tune and are making some changes and soon I think we will milk all that can be milked without a stack!

Quad

CPMac

10-12-2003, 02:00 AM

Peanut I noticed a gain of 0 peak hp on the dyno with a lift pump. Edited by: CPMac

Mackin

10-12-2003, 08:56 AM

Peanut I noticed a gain of 0 peak hp on the dyno with a lift pump.

Any spikes ???

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Joe E

10-12-2003, 09:13 AM

We think that this info would be relative for all the people that have a "box" and would like either more power or would like to remove their limiter and be able to change tire sizes. Or both!

Typically from what has been seen there is another 10-18 hp available from a VA, or Edge Comp stack over our 215. This is due to the timing advance at higher rpm's.

Quad

Thanks Quad. I think your big box is more than I want (power & $), so I was interested in what the 135 unit will give me, so I can utilize some of its other functionality which I don't currently get from the OJ/Attitude.

I look forward to your results - any idea on timing? Thanks!

NWB Hoss

10-12-2003, 01:48 PM

Hoss

How did you get here =>2002 HO 6-speed 462.8hp 990ftlbs torque #2 only ???

Help us understand your logic ...

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Mac,

I did not simply for saving time and the fact that I did not think you would care, bother to list my Bombs. I have an Edge race comp a Piers Diesel Research HX-40 turbo, Diesel Dynamics stage 3 injectors, a Rip Rook custom 5 inch exhaust,South Bent con ofe clutch,AFE Mega Cannon cold air kit, BD turbo saver blow off valve, Larry B turbo guard,ect.ect.ect....

Sorry for any confusion I truely did not think you guys would care how I made my power I just listed the numbers to show I am not ignorant about the world of upgraded diesel trucks.

I an not trying to hide anything or misslead anyone at all!!!!

In answer to Quadzilla in reguards to the numbers not adding up you should (being a vendor) know very well that the numbers NEVER add up!!!!!

Anyone who believes that you can take add on parts that claim say Box X= 100hp and box y=220hp therefore I get 320 rwhp is nuts and any seller of said parts who tells you that is full of it!!!!

You can also take 4 new trucks right off the showroom dyno said trucks and get 4 different readings. you can also take 2 trucks with exactly the same mods and get 2 totally different dyno readings. I think you are well aware of this also.

Quadzilla

10-12-2003, 03:14 PM

NWB Hoss

10-12-2003, 05:23 PM

Anyone who believes that you can take add on parts that claim say Box X= 100hp and box y=220hp therefore I get 320 rwhp is nuts and any seller of said parts who tells you that is full of it!!!!

Did I not say that?

You fail to mention that this goes both ways. There are so many variables to consider that it is mind boggling. With all the different boxes on the market and all the programing changes being made almost daily if a person is lucky enough to have a top end engine and gets the most of all the new programming has to offer it is very possible for some combo's to exceed there listed rate of increase.

From a Dogde perspective the Edge Comp boxes coming out now are changing so rapidly that you really cannot be sure what you are going to get until it shows up. I have personally tested a couple "new" programs for the comp boxes and been able to benefit from the newest upgrades. That is why I say just because you all have not been able to (YET!!!) see the kind of numbers Juice has put down don't kid yourselves by thinking it is not possible.

2+2 does not always = 4 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Not everything is black and white

Mackin

10-12-2003, 08:07 PM

2X2=4 Does not happen in claimed HP "box or any mod" is exactly my point,as we "all" are aware of .... But yet GJ received all of the manufactures claimed HP gain,very unusual,you have to admit ... This is "all" we are trying to bring to light .... I wish GJ all the best in his quest for power and performance .... I hope he leaves here with an education on stacking and actual HP gains if anything .... I wish he would stay and contribute to the Diesel Place ,the option is his .....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Edited by: Mackin

SmokinMax

10-12-2003, 08:51 PM

i was hoping to have results on my dyno on dyno dynamics but i got on it and my truck through the dyno behind the truck......in about 3 seconds i was a 300 hp and 1200+ tq.....both lines going straight up pretty impresive i think wish it would have stayed on it but it ended up my truck was on the tangled mess for about and hour and a half while we tried to figure out how to get it off with out breaking anything....but im pretty sure that my numbers on it would have been higher than on davids dyno jet from what i saw in the short time it was on therebut not 554. .....hoping to get back on the same dyno with n a couple weeks ....

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 04:48 AM

C'mon up to Canada.....where the beer is much much stronger....oh yeah BD-Power www.bd-power.com (http://www.bd-power.com) is having a dyno day october 18th.... run whatch brung... hope to see some of you there. Pack your bags, kiss wifey g'bye and come on up!

Dyno will be a mustang 1750 IIRC

hoot

10-13-2003, 06:46 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Stand your ground.

heartbeatcanada

10-13-2003, 09:05 AM

Hey Got Juice

Good to see another crazy canuck on board, with the horsepower sickness.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Hope you can duplicate your numbers at BD, as there will be alot of people switching modules.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Maybe BDwill give you that tranny upgrade like you need,with numbers like that just with 2 boxes i'm sure they'd like there tranny under your truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif ITs worth a try isn't it. Good luck, and good to see your back on the forum. Geesh i leave for moose hunting for a week and have to play catch up on the topics when i get back, its pretty hard to do especially with this thread 8pages wow.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif Later Jeremy

sdaver

10-13-2003, 09:05 AM

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 01:05 PM

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 01:09 PM

are you going to run a gain gj?......thought you sent your juice off......do ya need a loaner.....its a tranny killer.....and its stolen......time will tellhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I am definately not driving for 10+ hours to spectate.... yup gonna run it one last time.... although i do not know if i will be getting an updated box or not, without the same programming i had it is hard to say what i will run...time will tell.

the edge went back to ogden for an upgrade so i can run the monitor. who knows if i'll be able to do it with the new combination...hopefully the custom V/A box will be here from england...then see what that one can do!.....then a stack with it *L* i am such a dreamer..... wouldn't dare do it to a stock alli....or would i ?

NWB Hoss

10-13-2003, 02:26 PM

wouldn't dare do it to a stock alli....or would i ?

Yea you would!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 02:32 PM

wouldn't dare do it to a stock alli....or would i ?

Yea you would!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

SOOOOOOO BUSTED!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

hoot

10-13-2003, 02:39 PM

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 02:50 PM

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 02:52 PM

Anyone coming up to BD-power's dyno day?

C'mon, i know you want to!

Camstyn

10-13-2003, 04:17 PM

I'm only 30 minutes from there, I might show up.. My truck is basically stock so I won't be wasting dyno time on it though.

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 04:28 PM

I'm only 30 minutes from there, I might show up.. My truck is basically stock so I won't be wasting dyno time on it though.

1st off, you should dyno your truck, for 2 reasons. #1 its free, and #2 if you make any modifications to your truck, you would have a baseline comparison too see which mods provide the best gains for what you want to do. that being said, there are more trucks in the stock class than all the others combined (almost)

but if you are close by, i encourage you to come on out, and meet some great people, dyno events are a great time, the food for lunch is provided and you cand see some pretty cool stuff for sale by vendors, and some high hp trucks strutt their stuff. it is a saturday well spent IMHO, and a day you will remember. i have yet to go to a dyno day that i did not thoroughly enjoy. Besides, it would be great to see another GM product run.

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 04:34 PM

i forgot to mention...bring your camer and...LEAVE ALL CREDIT CARDS AT HOME!

24VChevy

10-13-2003, 09:48 PM

Hey there Juice, I wil see you there for sure. It will be good to see you and that D-Max rip up the rollers again! My jaw hit the floor at the PDR Dyno day when you hit that 500+ number.

Malcolm

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 09:50 PM

Hey there Juice, I wil see you there for sure. It will be good to see you and that D-Max rip up the rollers again! My jaw hit the floor at the PDR Dyno day when you hit that 500+ number.

Malcolm

I'll be there.... maybe some TDP members will show up too!

PEANUTGRWR

10-13-2003, 10:18 PM

JUICE------IF YOU BRING THE HONEY I MIGHT MAKE THE TRIPhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 10:22 PM

JUICE------IF YOU BRING THE HONEY I MIGHT MAKE THE TRIPhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

hopefully i will have a new (unreleased ) toy to play with!

fredw

10-13-2003, 11:44 PM

Got Juice?

10-13-2003, 11:49 PM

hi juice:

wish i could make it, just looking on the map, it is not to far from medicine hat, then the wife mentioned that their is a family weding that nighthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif, just my luck, so give her hell and take lots of videos,

i really would of like to know what my stock tranny was taking as well

you are from the hat....shoot that is only 3 hours away from me....if i drive slow!.... go to the www.nwbombers (http://www.nwbombers) site....they have quite a few events you might be interested in. Good people as well!