the 1000ft lbs of torque ceiling. Details and sheets to follow later.Edited by: Trippin

What a tease........

What broke? your wallet?

Trippin just called me and said that he is typing this long post......so just stay glued to the screen. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Well I'm out of here this a joke


We should report this to the staff..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Only a 1000lbs. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I got 1020 and i had a bad muffler bearing.
Sounds great Trippin.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif
Scott

atleast you got to dyno this weekend. We drove all the way down to Banks' for a El Mirage 200 mph club meeting, and there was supposed to be a dyno shootout for all the race cars and tow rigs. Once they got wind of some heavy hitting dmax's coming down they all of a sudden said there was not enough interest (yet probably 20+ cars wanting to dyno), then they said dyno operator didnt show up (i guess only one guy knows how to operate the dyno out of the 10+ employees that were there?). Later we got wind they didnt want to get shown up at their own place by the competition (ie TTS power)..


got to give them credit for one hell of a beautiful facility though. They have lots of projects under way with the d-max motors. Dry sumps, billet oil pans, large turbos, new pistons, rods, head work etc. had some really cool cutouts of the dmax motors, so it was very interesting to see what is all inside these things.

Guys, Sorry for the wait but I had to scale these down to meet the 125kb limit. Actually 1007ftlbs.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/TTS_Extreme3a.JPGEdited by: Trippin

Do you have a HP one? I hate having to crunch all the numbers at each RPM point.Edited by: Amric

Sure,


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/TTS_Extreme2a.JPG

so what broke?

The hp and tq curve could set right over each other, the only thing different is the scale numbershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


What happened to the 1800 rpm being the peak torque? you are only showing about 45-47% of peak torque at 1800 rpmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif and 95% of your peak hp is down near the peak torquehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Was that run with the TTS extreme only or did you have anything else stacked too? Looks like some good numbers on the dyno but how does it drive on the street? And do you need to buy any new rear tires yet?


Inquiring minds want to know.


Thx Diesel Dragon http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


P.S. I have a post dedicated to you, if I can ever figure out how to resize my pictures from 1.25mb to 125k.

pretty sure he is running only the extreme. The extreme is a bit touchy to drive on the street due to the massive amounts of torque it puts out. Really have to be smooth with the right foot. I prefer stage 2 or 120hp for daily use, but anytime I need the power it is only a fingers length away.


If Steve is actively selling these extremes, they are hands down the best bang for the buck if you are after big numbers.

COngrats!

The hp and tq curve could set right over each other, the only thing different is the scale numbershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


What happened to the 1800 rpm being the peak torque? you are only showing about 45-47% of peak torque at 1800 rpmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif and 95% of your peak hp is down near the peak torquehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





I'm having trouble understanding your point. Is there something you'd like to compare it to? Please explain your thoughts.

IMO the curves before 2250 are probably not valid. My guess is that peak TQ is actually higher than 1000, but occurs below 2250 somewhere. I'm basing this on the shape of HP curve. Your results may vary. I do know I could not get reliable TQ values without being able to lock it fourth.


Interpolating the curve by eye, and assuming a constant ramp, he was making about 375rwhp and 1125ftlb at 1750rpm. Just a hunch though.

Trippin,


Were you running a stacked combo or just the Extreme? Also, what are you doing to keep the fuel pressure up?


Doug

The truck has TTS Xtreme program, AFE stage 2, 4" exhaust and ATS transmission/converter.


Hdmax


What curves you looking at as they look complete different to me.


Peak torque 1006.7 @ 2213 rpm


Peak RwHp 464.4 @ 2635


It's above 420 RwHp from 2200 to 3200 and since the motor idles at 600 rpm and the normal operating range is 1400 rpm to 3200 rpm that's about 60% of the time!


onedit: it also has a FASS fuel pump.Edited by: Diesel Tech

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Trippen


Congrats on the great numbers http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. I have the wife loading up the barby in our home ( yes it has more wheels than my Duramax http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif). Looking forward to seeing you soon, neighbor.


mike

I was referring to the up side, it looks like the tq and power curve are nearly the same shape.


I have just never seen it where both tq and hp are so closely shaped the same.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

If they were on the same graph, the shapes would change. Trippin could do both on same graph to show the changes.





Peak TQ generally falls around 2400RPM with the big boxes and tons of fuel as the engine is actually overfueled down low, then the turbo takes off and light things up, thus the pronounced peak in the curve. I'd like to see the Wheel Power numbers if you have them...Edited by: Kennedy

I understand what you are saying, but the shape will not change much from 1250-2250. Take a real good look at the two, they are very close the same. I know they are not the same, but closer then I think I have seen before.

Trippin, your PM box is full http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Wow! That looks great. Trip, What Broke?


I think I'll have to pull some cash out of my fannie pack now and get me one.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Wow! That looks great. Trip, What Broke?


I think I'll have to pull some cash out of my fannie pack now and get me one.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Broke the 1000ftlb ceiling!Edited by: Trippin

Trippin, your PM box is full http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Sorry. Cleaned it out.

John,


I'm not sure what "wheel power" is....or if the gear ratio or tire size has anything to with it but you asked for it so here it is. Are there additonal parameters that have to be set for this? I know it looks even better if we use the DJWhPw and DJWhTk factors or even the STD numbers. As you and I are the only ones posting Superflow numbers which should I use?


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/AB4_cwhla.JPGEdited by: Trippin

If you go to plot/preferenced/channel order, You can select Wheel Power, and Wheel torque. Channels 100, and 121. These are before correction numbers.





I'm still a bit undecided as to how I feel about correction factors as applied to a turbo diesel. The SAE isn't as drastic as STP, but still may be a bit optimistic. The power curve WILL change with conditions somewhat, but how much remains to be seen.





As a quick reference, you can go to the data sheet, and select File/average/colums, then display/maximums and you'll get the peaks. When time and conditions allow, I've been doing 2 or 3 runs then select file/average/tests and averaging the 3 tests so long as they are consistent.

John, any info on your dyno runs yesterday?


Can u share or was it 'top secret'?


BTW Sunday I saw BD LLY box 3 level 0-50-80 or 85.


Looked very similar to PPE Enforcer LLY w/ 3 levels 0-98-175 (crank).Edited by: Dmax Tim

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Them durn re-labeled boxes with pumped up numbers. Going by that strategy, my VA box is 450+http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Please define BD BD Brake, OR Bully Dog. 2 very different companies.


I dyno'd a stock LLY yesterday, Nothing really impressive...





Then went out and broke mine...





Edited by: Kennedy

Guy

You need to get back to the dyno .....

475/1011

Dipper I stand corrected 441/924 .... Very respectfull for Edge a 238 base line ta boot .....

That oughta get the phone ringing .... I'm outside cleaning up the girl she worked hard last couple days ....
Um #2 ,1 to 1, no stack .....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Edited by: Mackin

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Them durn re-labeled boxes with pumped up numbers. Going by that strategy, my VA box is 450+http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Please define BD BD Brake, OR Bully Dog. 2 very different companies.


I dyno'd a stock LLY yesterday, Nothing really impressive...





Then went out and broke mine...







so are you not impressed by the LLY? are you saying it isnt much of a motor or just that you arent impressed by the "added" power.

Oh Trippen ....


http://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/soot_003.jpg


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/soot_002.jpg





Now that's some soot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

geeze a little soap once in a while... i thought you had a black truck not pewter!!!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif

Damn it Mackin,


You out did me again! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

That was 40 miles and two dyno sessions .... Two hours on Superflow with exhaust pipe as Ted Jannetty ,I think didn't care for the soot that was covering his Primo setup her in Waterbury ...


Yes Jannetty Racing has one Primo Dyno house .... I was real impressed ...


All better ...





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/soot_005.jpg





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





Dam I still see soot on the hitch .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifEdited by: Mackin

http://www.superflow.com/merchandise/apparel/detector.gif

Damn it Mackin,


You out did me again! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








Didn't mean too .... I just had to confirm I wasn't nuts ....


The Extreme is bad ass on the street nothing has ripped the Max like it before ... My ass O meter was impressed then I got dismal numbers on a DynoJet ....


Hooked up with Jannetty Racing (always accommodating to me nonetheless) a quick call and off I went later in the day ...


State off the art load cell dyno .... Has more bells and whistles then I imagined ...


Got some good advise and he actually produced the peak numbers as he recognized sumtin ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


Same sweep ,very controlled, he took a 438/953 and turned it into a 455/998 on one ECM .... Impressive, thanks Ted !!!!


Sweeps were started at 25 LBS of boost 50-74 MPH approx ....


Other Numbers posted were from another ECM program ....


Mac





On Edit : Nice to have a Transmission that gets the power to the ground .... Sump temp on Dyno ,150 Degrees ,believe it ....Jannetty does have a built in fan that a grown Man can climb inside the exit tube, that is hard to stand in front off ...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifEdited by: Mackin

I must say i was quite impressed with his dyno... it reminded me of a jet engine testing room.. big hole in one wall that a 350lb man could climb thru easily.. never got to see it fire up tho... guess it works!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Damn it Mackin,


You out did me again! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Other Numbers posted were from another ECM program ....


Mac





Bet they (ECM's) came from Californiahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Wow Mac, Thats an Extreme signature you have there! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


01 CHEV 3500 LT 4X4 BLACK
DMAX IS A DRUG AND I'M HOOKED
PICS (http://www.pbase.com/mackin/root)
GM GOT IT ROLLING
WHAT WILL MAKE IT FLY
SEE ME IN SEPT
SUNCOAST CONVERTERS "LEVEL V"

THE LONE RANGER RIDES AGAIN
PERHAPS SOME CHANGES ARE IN ORDER.INDEED
FORD,IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Them durn re-labeled boxes with pumped up numbers. Going by that strategy, my VA box is 450+http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif



Please define BD BD Brake, OR Bully Dog. 2 very different companies.



I dyno'd a stock LLY yesterday, Nothing really impressive...







Then went out and broke mine...












so are you not impressed by the LLY? are you saying it isnt much of a motor or just that you arent impressed by the "added" power.





The LLY that I dyno'd was bone stock, and very low miles, but it wasn't anyting spectacular by any means. There was a sort of goofy "lump" in the curve around 2200RPM. Likely programming related...

.Edited by: hoot

Damn it Mackin,


You out did me again! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Other Numbers posted were from another ECM program ....


Mac





Bet they (ECM's) came from Californiahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif








Well Yes they did matter of fact !!!


TTS to be exact .... How did you know ???








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

some times all it takes is a few four letter words and a state of the art dyno to make us feel better.......great numbers machttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Damn it Mackin,


You out did me again! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Other Numbers posted were from another ECM program ....


Mac





Bet they (ECM's) came from Californiahttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Well Yes they did matter of fact !!!


TTS to be exact .... How did you know ???


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif





Seems there has been a few from there as of late.

Trippinhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Nice #s. Where did you have your rig dyno'd and whose machine was it.

Trippinhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Nice #s. Where did you have your rig dyno'd and whose machine was it.





Dyno facility link:


http://www.westechperformance.com (http://www.westechperformance.com)


This dyno contains auxillary sensors so we recorded Boost, Fuel Pressure, and EGTs for each run. Slipped the fuel pressure tap into where the schrader valve is by the passenger side alternator. Boost was "T"eed into the wastegate line and EGT was plugged into the 1/8" pipe hole already there for my Attitude thermocouple.


Dyno:


http://www.superflow.com/merchandise/apparel/detector.gif

John "Please define BD BD Brake, OR Bully Dog. 2 very different companies."


Bully Dog LLY box.


I was w/ Eric when he was talking to u on Saturday nite.


I thought u might have had some LLY boxes u were testing.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Them durn re-labeled boxes with pumped up numbers. Going by that strategy, my VA box is 450+http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Please define BD BD Brake, OR Bully Dog. 2 very different companies.


I dyno'd a stock LLY yesterday, Nothing really impressive...





Then went out and broke mine...











What is broke mine mean ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

You'll see when you get here! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif





How about a chart on the dyno run???

You'll see when you get here! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif





How about a chart on the dyno run???





I think Ted must of sent it snail mail cause I haven't gotten it yet .... I'll have to stop in and pick up the 10 or so runs on floppy I guess ...


I was there earlier he was MIA ....





Mac

Mackin,


Is it true what they say????????????????????






































Life begins above 96 mph! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

With TTS life begins right off idle ....


Ninety six is so slooooooooooow ....I gotta go North where they don't reciprocate traffic infractions to stretch my legs and work out the kinks in my right ankle ...


I did play with a Rice Bike Sunday tho ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Rice is best served SMOKED! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Funny you mention that. I find myself playing with the bikes as well. Ate yet another Lightening on the way home Monday night, I don't know what it is about that stretch of road but the Lightening hunting is really good there. I was giggling like a school girl thinking about you and your sig.


FORD,IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

With TTS life begins right off idle ....


Ninety six is so slooooooooooow ....I gotta go North where they don't reciprocate traffic infractions to stretch my legs and work out the kinks in my right ankle ...


I did play with a Rice Bike Sunday tho ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif








http://www.2fdr.com/mcrat/tts.jpg


So tell me Mac your speedo been looking like this latelyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Um YUP !!!!


As a matter of fact just the other day ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Now to move the pesky RPM limiter...

Waiting for CPMac 's comment before I believe this .http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Wonder if he called Steve Cole lately?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I can't comment on anything to do with the TTS extreme as I am not able to get one.

I can't comment on anything to do with the TTS extreme as I am not able to get one.





I'm in the same boat as are a few others. Eventually I'll have one in house to dyno, one way or another. Looks like it makes some good peak numbers now. I'm still interested in seeing Mac's data. Edited by: Kennedy