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m1a2d3
08-25-2006, 08:28 AM
im going to buy a truck this weekend. dealer has 2 one diesel one gas. d33000 g27000. i dont know what to buy. had a ford 6.0 and loved the diesel power. but hated the oil leaks it got lemon lawed. i dont tow heavy but truck will someday be converted to a utilty body all out work truck. they are extened cabs. buy the time you add tax etc diesel is 7k more. service is also more on lbz. of course i like power but have never driven a lbz. overall i know lbz is more. is it worth it. sorry for long post any help would be apprecated.

BigShrimpah
08-25-2006, 08:53 AM
so go drive the LBZ and the gasser, and I can almost bet you won't be taking home the gasser after driving an LBZ

and the Duramax is a whole lot better than the POS 6.0 powerstroke

Riccas
08-25-2006, 09:02 AM
I have been in your situation owning a Ford 6.0 and i own both the Dmax and gas motors in the HD series. For my personal vehicle i chose the diesel for power, performance, and pride ):h But for my work vehicles i buy gas. Short trips with low milage is not a job for a diesel. My box truck is a gas motor. Doesn't get the best milage, but i've only put on 7k in 3 yrs. For a service vehicle that doesn't travel great distance i would say go gas. Personal go diesel.



-- Rick

Coolbreeze
08-25-2006, 09:39 AM
I think it depends on what you want, your intended usage, mileage you drive and the price of diesel in your area. IF you want to tow then the diesel is so much better. If you don't drive it much, or tow then the gas is likely to be cheaper. Also I have cheap diesel where I live. Payed $2.75 the other day. At one point in time this summer diesel was 18 cents cheaper then regular unleaded.

axlenut
08-25-2006, 10:28 AM
I went to diesel for the power, because I was tired of gutless under-powered struggling gas burners. See, the new formulated gas with either ethanol or MBTE produces less mileage and power than the old stuff (up to 10% less over the leaded 98+ octane stuff, as I understand it) leaving the gasoline engine at about the limit of its ability to produce power while meeting pollution standards. Also, here in California diesels are not subject to the state smog check (at least as of today) so that is one less hassle for awhile.

I bought the DuraMax 2500HD CC 4X4 SB with some doubts, but am a complete convert. It has power the Ford 7.3's I drove never dreamed of, it's quiet, it doesn't smoke or stink, and right off the lot it averaged 15 mpg stop and go in city and 20 mpg freeway, not bad for a heavy truck with 360 Hp and 650 ft lbs of torque. Thus far with only 2,000 miles driven, the truck has had no defects whatever - nothing, everything works perfectly. Every vehicle I have owned from three manufacturers has had some small screw up somewhere, a leak, a noisy window motor, burned out light bulb, etc, but so far the GMC is 100%. Enough said. :ro)

dustinw
08-25-2006, 04:38 PM
... Also I have cheap diesel where I live. Payed $2.75 the other day.....

Diesel's been at $3.50/gal here for the last month.... argh. They are blaming the Prudohe Bay shutdown for it too.

skyflyer
08-25-2006, 05:39 PM
i love my truck for towing but unless i had a need for a diesel i would consider fuel prices. here in Iowa reg gas 2.61 a gallon diesel 3.17 a gallon

6 Shooter
08-25-2006, 05:59 PM
If ya want a work horse get the diesel, if ya want a toy, get the gasser! :grd:

phyrejim
08-25-2006, 06:15 PM
I just traded my 02 lb7 for an 06 lbz wow! what a difference. I can't see ever going back to a gasser.

DURAMAX3500
08-25-2006, 06:27 PM
get diesel. i went from a gasser to a diesel. i like the diesel much more

HD Scott
08-25-2006, 07:07 PM
Come to a diesel site for an opinion on gas vs. diesel? Everyone here loves their diesels.

Duromax04
08-25-2006, 11:59 PM
For me, if you earn a living with it, or pulling a big 5th wheel travel trailer, then it is diesel all the way. If you are just using it for occasional light to medium towing, and just on weekends and things like that, then I would probably go gas.

The reason is because if you drive your diesel a lot of miles/year, then you will recoupe the addtional cost much quicker. Having said that, I drive mine 9,000 miles/year, so even with the fuel savings, it will take me 10 years or better to recoupe the extra $. It doesn't really pay for me to have a diesel. I bought it because the dealer talked me into it. I really like it and don't regret it, I just can't justify it financially. It is just fun to hear the rattle and the turbo. I also know that I can sell it anytime I want and get a pretty good price for it. I am not so sure about the gas burner.
Ultimately, it is up to you, but that is just my 10cents worth and you got all that for 5 cents. What a bargin. :)

TheMercuryMan
08-26-2006, 12:38 AM
I cant afford to have anything to tow but i had a dodge ram hemi CC but now in 6 years when i get my truck paid off i can tow any thing i want. just my 10 cents most people say 2 but my time is worth more than that.

kr350psd
08-26-2006, 01:04 AM
It doesn't really pay for me to have a diesel.

It probalby dosen't pay me either but its what I like. I have a 10K dump trailer I haul anthracite coal for myself with. I haul stuff for other people too but yea I could get by without a diesel.
But there's no way I gonna do that.
Thats why I go to work everyday. You gotta have a little enjoyment out of life.

SD-455
08-26-2006, 09:21 AM
im going to buy a truck this weekend. dealer has 2 one diesel one gas. d33000 g27000. i dont know what to buy. had a ford 6.0 and loved the diesel power. but hated the oil leaks it got lemon lawed. i dont tow heavy but truck will someday be converted to a utilty body all out work truck. they are extened cabs. buy the time you add tax etc diesel is 7k more. service is also more on lbz. of course i like power but have never driven a lbz. overall i know lbz is more. is it worth it. sorry for long post any help would be apprecated.
Get the diesel. You can not compare a 6.0 GM gasser with the standard automatic tranny to the Duramax/Allison. To get the Allison in a gasser you have to get the 8.1 then you are looking at less than $4000 difference in cost. You will be lucky to get 10mpg from the 6.0 gas motor for what you will be doing. The diesel should get at least 15mpg doing the same thing. If you need to haul a mini excavator or a 6 ton dump trailer off and on you will smile while doing so. As far as trying to justify the diesel with fuel savings don't waste your time. If you trade trucks with less than 75,000 miles on it you will get about $4000 more out of a diesel than a gas motor truck.

Mad_At_M
08-26-2006, 10:31 AM
Drive them both...You will go home with the Diesel, I did!! Fuel is higher, but the Diesel has more power and will get better milage especially with a few mods. Fuel - Millage ratio between the two will be wash if you keep it long enough.

cewillis
08-26-2006, 10:44 AM
LBZ - heavier and more expensive. But also way more hp and torque, lasts a lot longer, much better mileage, and (?) more reliable.
And the Allison transmission is just outstanding!
No contest for me - LBZ/Allison it is.

Datdude
08-26-2006, 11:17 AM
I am on my third diesel truck (Ford, Dodge, Chevy) and will never own another Gas truck. The upfront cost is more, but the resale makes up for that in my opinion. Mileage is better and it should last longer as well. Get the diesel and you will not be disappointed. My LBZ only has 300 miles on it, but what a truck!

Ruben Z
08-26-2006, 12:53 PM
Dont make the mistake I did!!!! Read my thread! I don't even know why they put that 6.0L in Heavy Duties. Diesel is the ONLY way to go.

Utahski
08-26-2006, 04:10 PM
Even the big block gas engine won't have near the torque of a Duramax, and it'll burn twice as much fuel. Test drive both a 6.0 and the diesel and there won't be any question about which is more fun. If you really want to be convinced, I strongly suggest taking a test drive someplace where there's a hill or better yet, in the mountains. Even if it means finding another dealership to test drive, do it. On about a 6% grade, accelerate from stop to highway speed and you just won't believe the difference in a diesel. The gas truck will feel like a dog, the diesel won't even notice the grade. Gas trucks can't begin to keep up in the mountains.

WilliamBos
08-26-2006, 05:06 PM
I cant afford to have anything to tow but i had a dodge ram hemi CC but now in 6 years when i get my truck paid off i can tow any thing i want. just my 10 cents most people say 2 but my time is worth more than that.

Hey,

A rate increase should be expected not that you have a new truck to pay for!! LOL

m1a2d3
08-27-2006, 01:53 PM
thanks for all the help. i found a cc 3500 truck lbz. last one in an 06 around that has options i want. but dealer will not take gm supplier for it wants 2k more. im going to call tommorrow its almost the end of month. if not ill wait till all 06 are gone and see if 07 start to have a rebate.

Thinkmoto
08-28-2006, 07:31 AM
I went from gas to diesel back to gas and went crazy. I ended up going back to diesel and now i'm happy once again. never again will I own a gas truck.

EXPSD
08-28-2006, 05:26 PM
Think about the 7K, if it is MSRP then it is closer to 5k diff. The trade in is always going to be higher with the diesel - that 7k is not as much as it may appear.

MKAH
08-28-2006, 08:43 PM
I went from a gasser to a diesel. It is unikely that I will ever own another gas powered truck.....ever.

:ro)

towdog333
08-29-2006, 11:18 AM
I an 02 Chevy HD 6.L gasser and it was a dog on MPG. The DMax will definitely get ya better MPG plus way more power.

junkyardrules
08-29-2006, 12:48 PM
I went straight to a diesel. I didn't buy it for the fuel savings (as someone else mentioned, diesel is often more expensive than gas!). I work hard and wanted a truck that had lots of power and sounds cool. Everyone has their own reason for getting one. I plan on driving it for the next 10 years. I looked at the Toyota Tundra but my wife said it looked like a "girl truck". I know lots of people who buy gas and regret not buying a diesel. I don't know anyone who bought a diesel and wished they'd gone gas.

Maintain
08-29-2006, 03:45 PM
IF you drive alot of miles...
IF you tow ALOT...
IF diesel fuel is around the price of low grade...
IF you plan on having it for 300,000 miles....

If you answered yes to 2 of those questions, I think you should go with the diesel.
Any of the new BIG 3 diesels are nice (07's) and are up to the task. Stock vs Stock comparison... there isn't much difference, it's more brand loyalty or name pride.

alimax
08-30-2006, 12:39 AM
thanks for all the help. i found a cc 3500 truck lbz. last one in an 06 around that has options i want. but dealer will not take gm supplier for it wants 2k more. im going to call tommorrow its almost the end of month. if not ill wait till all 06 are gone and see if 07 start to have a rebate.

Don't forget about the current 0% / 72 month financing on the '06.

m1a2d3
08-30-2006, 08:13 PM
its all over . theres a new 2500hd crew cab in my driveway its an lbz. not loaded but has all i need. came from a f350 cc 6.0. wish the chevy cc was a little bigger. thats why i bought the ford in the first place. but im not going to miss that 6.0. 1st impressions ac is better than ford. truck is much quicker. truck is quiet.im happy right now hope i wont regret it.

03LB-7dmax
08-30-2006, 08:19 PM
its all over . theres a new 2500hd crew cab in my driveway its an lbz. not loaded but has all i need. came from a f350 cc 6.0. wish the chevy cc was a little bigger. thats why i bought the ford in the first place. but im not going to miss that 6.0. 1st impressions ac is better than ford. truck is much quicker. truck is quiet.im happy right now hope i wont regret it.

You will regret it when you buy a performance adder):h

olbrenner
08-30-2006, 08:37 PM
Don't forget about the current 0% / 72 month financing on the '06.Please do tell about this financing, as in a link or document that states so.

alimax
08-30-2006, 11:50 PM
Please do tell about this financing, as in a link or document that states so.

Looks like I spoke to soon, or late. There is still 0-2.9% financing on many models but it no longer applies to the Duramax trucks. There is at least $3,000 worth of rebates on the Duramax, though. Here's a link to Edmunds with more info:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/chevrolet/silverado2500hd/100556624/incentives.html?vdp=off&setzip=92225&state=CA

junkyardrules
08-30-2006, 11:58 PM
Congrats on the new truck! :)

m1a2d3
09-01-2006, 07:43 PM
thanks once its broken in i have to race a hemi dodge 2500 my cousins husband seems to think his stock hemi is the fastest truck around. i tried to tell him its got 650 lbs of torque. but he dosent get it.

olbrenner
09-01-2006, 08:05 PM
Looks like I spoke to soon, or late. There is still 0-2.9% financing on many models but it no longer applies to the Duramax trucks. There is at least $3,000 worth of rebates on the Duramax, though. Here's a link to Edmunds with more info:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/chevrolet/silverado2500hd/100556624/incentives.html?vdp=off&setzip=92225&state=CA

Gulf state area is as follows through 9/5 on Duramax's:
'06:
$4K customer allowance/bonus cash -or- $1K bonus cash with 0%/36, 0.9%/48, 1.9%/60
'07:
$2500 customer allowance/bonus cash