Good news guys, the Edge Juice for the LLY is almost here. Have been in contact with their Senior Engineer and they need Beta Testers. I have signed up and my box is in the mail. Rob McPherson is the contact at Edge and he states that they still need more Beta Testers, so anyone that would be interested I'll post his address and phone number. he says that he looks forward from hearing from you guys.





Rob McPherson, Senior Engineer (801) 476-3343 Ex 164, Email: rmcpherson@edgeproducts.com. Ok here is your chance to be first on the block with and Edge Juice for your LLY


Paul

Paul, Thanks for the heads up, mine is on the way too! Can't waithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Thanks also to Paul & George (aka Big Dipper) on this.


I am number 26 Beta tester, only 4 more to go as I write this!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

From what I understand, the modules probably won't ship until next week. Friday at the earliest is what Rob said yesterday. I called to confirm this afternoon. Either way, sure will be nice to finally get one!

Sweet :D Mine is on the way....

Well, since I just got the okay from Rob, I guess I can let the cat (not the converter) out of the bag.


I've had one for a month now...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


Just got back from Ogden and getting it and the Attitude reflashed for the latest release.


Initial impressions with the first Beta, WOW...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Had a couple of things that concerned me about it among them the EGT's with a stock exhaust. So I put a Banks CAT back system on it. That dropped the EGT's about 125 to 150 degrees F at 70 mph.


The newest version I got today is much smoother than the first and seat of the pants comparison might lead you to believe it's not as strong. But I think that's actually because it's so much smoother on the power application. Max boost is the same between the two. Never did any time runs on it since this is a 3500 DRW and all you racer guys wouldn't be interested in my times, so I don't have any to give you.


So they're getting closer to final release, hang in there guys. You who've managed to get a Beta are going to love it...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


edit info:


Paul, forgot to ask, can I be the first on the forum?


Not many folks on my block, it's a rural area...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifEdited by: Zeeb

Yes DSTRBD, Rob told me that it would probably ship next week, overnight UPS when it does ship.


Yes Zeeb, Rob also mentioned that it's been used/tested a little by some of the locals there in Utah plus a truck (or two?) from their shop.


Yes I do believe I will love it, almost as much as my Dmax!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Zeeb,


You are a little devilhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif. Had yours a month now Huh, hmmm. So whether you live in a rual area or not "YEP" you are the first on the block with one......Glad to hear that everything is OK with this new toy. I can't wait to get it on my truck, hopefully all those that wanted to get the beta version where able too. My thanks to "BigDipper"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif for alerting me and now all of us to the upcoming release for the LLYhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

What kind of hp/torque increase are we looking at Zeeb? Will it require tranny upgrades?

I've not seen any numbers from Edge, and I don't think you will until they get the final release out. They've sure got a niffty dyno room...


Don't know what kind of dyno they've got, and I'm not really too concerned with the numbers. I can tell you I'm REALLY impressed with the difference it made.


Trans upgrades? Well based on Hasslebachs pics of burned clutches and his never threw a code or limped, I've been trying to make up my mind which way to go. If you're careful with it and don't try anything over level 4 empty or level 2 loaded, it's supposed to be okay.


I've tried level 5 once and the defuel between shifts is really noticeable, but MAN...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


So I've been chasing info on the upgrades and which one for a couple of weeks now. It may not be for everyone, but I'm leaning towards the Suncoast Stage III right now.


edit info:


Check this thread for pics of the clutches and some of the discussion about trans upgrades:


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9935&PN=1Edited by: Zeeb

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left> </DIV>Edited by: SteveNorCal

Those numbers look kind of like a dyno run sheet I saw up there in the control room, but I wasn't sure if that's what they were going to use.


If you think about what the Ally is rated for, even level 1 will put you over the torque rating which IIRC is 680 ft/lbs. Seems like Edge even publishes something to that effect on the LB7's, 900 ft/lbs. in 3rd and 4th, dropping to about 680 in 5th.


Now when you start with 520 on an LB7, even level three is under. But start with 590 and level 1 is over the limit. Now this can vary from truck to truck as the dyno guys have said, but GM didn't do anything to the Ally for increased HP or torque with the LLY. They just used some of the built in reserve it already had, and added the G solenoid for improved ATF cooling at low power settings.


It's a sticky question and one that I'm still not sure about how best to proceed, but if you get the Juice, I'd say you better start tucking away something toward a tranny upgrade...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Got one on the way also, should be here tomorrow. Also ordered a BD torque converter today, and will install it along with my transgo kit. Its going to be tough to just use the lower settings until I get my tranny done. I'm going to be a busy guy for awhile. I haven't even changed my exhaust yet. Ah! The price of power.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif tpitt

Zeeb,

What is the impact on fuel mileage, and at what levels? Also, were you towing or empty.

Thanks,
Bruce H.

Bruce,


I've not really done any towing other than the ATV trailer which is only about 2,000 lbs. loaded, an almost non-existent load the the Dmax.


Very little highway driving, mostly just the usual run around stuff and while I've not really driven it hard, I didn't want the Ally to get lazy either while running this test. The truck only has about 1900 miles on it and the mileage figured by hand has gone up from 14.4 to 14.9 running the Edge on level 4.


That could be just breaking in changes, but on level 4? I'd think it would have gone down...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Maybe some of the LB7 guys can chime in here on their experiences, or shortly you'll have some more LLY guys to answer questions...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Got one on the way also, should be here tomorrow. Also ordered a BD torque converter today, and will install it along with my transgo kit. Its going to be tough to just use the lower settings until I get my tranny done. I'm going to be a busy guy for awhile. I haven't even changed my exhaust yet. Ah! The price of power.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif tpitt

So, is the general consensus that a Tq converter and a Transgo kit is all you really need to do (on an unhurt trans) to make it last reliably through level-5 on an otherwise mostly stock truck?

The truck only has about 1900 miles on it and the mileage figured by hand has gone up from 14.4 to 14.9 running the Edge on level 4. with that amount of miles on the truck going from 14.4 to 14.9 can not in any way indicate the Juice improving the mileage. (I do not mean that the juice did not help, just that this is no indication) The truck`s mileage should still be getting better due to the engine still breaking in. And 99.9% of the time add ons do not help mileage.


I have 59000 miles on my truck, and mileage jumps around 2-3 mpg from one tank full to the next. Where and how I drive, and conditions all play a Major role.

Mike,


Valid points all, I only tracked it because Edge was interested.


Other than having a general idea of what it's getting for trip planning purposes, I don't really care what it gets for mileage, that's not what I bought it for. The fact that a four ton truck gets as good as it does just blows me away, it's a bunch better than my last truck which was a gasser.Edited by: Zeeb

omniGLH,


The torque converter and transgo kit should hold the juice through level 5 with no problems. I'm probably not going to go too extreme with this truck. My other (2002) would slip the transmission. I want to get a head start on this one. I'm certaintally (sp) not an expert on transmissions though. tpitt

Thanks for posting such valuable info, Rob got mine comming too. My local dealer tried to get me on as a beta/gunnie pig, with no luck. They didnt try very hard. Ther will flip out when they hear this. Thanks once more fellers, saved me time and money. And you cant beat that.

Do they need anymore testers or do I need to call?


I'm up to 55 miles so time to play http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

OMG, they're on the way (Overnight Delivery) and will be here tomorrow!!! Ally, get ready for a workout......


Is it tomorrow yet???????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

SteveNorCal


Being that Idaho is closer to Utah then Cal, my tomorrow will be here first. Just kidding, can't waithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif.

Heck, Idaho has UPS service now? Next you'll be telling us that indoor plumbing is now available.

McRat


Hey is that what that white shinny thing in that little room is, well I'll be. What will they think of next "indoor plumbing" WOWhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

SteveNorCal


Being that Idaho is closer to Utah then Cal, my tomorrow will be here first. Just kidding, can't waithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif.








Harley99,


OMG, the UPS guy just came and brought me my juice!!! (just kidding...)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Ok, it's now 12:01 am. June 8th where the hell is that UPS guy with my juice box, fingers drumming, fingers drumminghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. Have to get mine before SteveNorCal gets his, have to just have to.............did I say that out loudhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

UPS just left after dropping mine off.


I stayed home from work just to play http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

















J/K, I'll let u guys do the testing then I'll have to decide what to get.

TICK...TICK...TICK...


Is it here YET?


TICK...TICK...TICK...


Where's that UPS guy?


TICK...TICK...TICK...


It'll be worth it guys, I promise...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Dmax Tim


You are fooling right, the time your message was posted shows 4:10 am. Now being in Ohio that makes it 6:10 am. So that means I can expect the UPS guy around 8:00 am. That means I could have slept in today........Geezzhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

TICK TICK, it's not here yet!


Any minute now, I can feel it.....

Mines here and being installed as we speak. I can't wait!!!

I purposely rode the bike to work today so I have a nice cool engine to work on when I get home from work :D

Yea that's the J/K= just kidding

How did Minnesota get delivered before Idaho, I'm only about 500 miles from Ogden???

How did Minnesota get delivered before Idaho, I'm only about 500 miles from Ogden???


Probably UPS in Idaho was changing horses. ;-)

Could be, I think that the wooden wagon whells don't hold up well on these dirt roads..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

ROTFLMAO....changing horses, great one McRat.


I can feel it now, any minute......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Tracking shows mine to be about an hour away.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


On edit: I wonder how many in this boat stayed home from work today for this???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: SteveNorCal

Just a quick thought for you guys...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


I had been driving mine more aggressively than I normally would so the Ally didn't get lazy. Got out on the four lane just a block away from Edge and kicked it down in level 2...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif


It was a really awkward de-fuel on that 2nd to 3rd shift. Of course that was the first Beta and it's been refined since then, but your Ally's will have to get used to the extra power...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Normal day off for me........but with my luck it won't be delivered until tomorrowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif a work dayhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

That is strange about the shipping.


Like Zeeb said, awkward shifting at first. Of course I drive like an idiot so that may have alot to do with it. First two settings are very mild with not much seat of the pants difference. The third setting (Driver) is a big difference. This is the first setting where Alli got upset with me. We have since made up. Great power and very smoothe once she gets used to it. Setting 5 is great. Like the previous 2 settings, Alli got upset, shes got no sense of humor! Under full throttle it will definately buck a bit between shifts, but is expected.

Hmmm... Santa Claus just visited SoCal. His reindeer were in at the vet's office, so he pulled up in a Big Brown Cummin's Powered Truck.


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Let's see who is the first LLY into the 13's... ;)

Mine's here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally the wait is over....

So....McRat...


You gona stack that thing with the TTS ECM mod?

So....McRat...


You gona stack that thing with the TTS ECM mod?





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Edited by: McRat

How did Minnesota get delivered before Idaho, I'm only about 500 miles from Ogden???


Overnight freight works in an interesting fashion. No matter where the package starts at, they ship it to the middle of the country, then fly it to the destination.


If you ship a package Red from Tampa FL, to Miami FL, it travels 3,000mi to get there.


Or so I was told.

If Mike had a chain he could have pulled me into the 13's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

How did Minnesota get delivered before Idaho, I'm only about 500 miles from Ogden???


Overnight freight works in an interesting fashion. No matter where the package starts at, they ship it to the middle of the country, then fly it to the destination.





That's how it works. Bunches of airplanes from small single engine stuff all the way up to heavy jets. It's setup like a bunch of wheel spokes, some of those spokes with more wheels on their ends. Everything is gathered to one central location and sent out again.


Interesting part of that is the founder of FedEX submitted the idea in a paper for a colledge class. The professor grading the paper gave him a "C" with the notation; "Interesting idea but not practical, it'll never work.."


Not sure that's the exact quote, but it gives you the idea.

It's here, had to go to storage to pick up some stuff for my trip to Colorada on Friday and sure enough while gone UPS arrives. Will try to get it hooked up prior to leaving but at any rate will have the installation completed while there.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I agree shipping is stupid! When I bought the rear differintial cover from http://www.wjsperformance.com/ (http://www.wjsperformance.com/) in Kentucky I tracked it to California before coming back to Ohio, Just 300 or so miles from where it started.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif

First impression, WOW, you can really tell that there is a difference in power and my fuel guage shows it also. One thing I did notice was that while gettng on the freeway that it almost sounds like a backfire and stumbles a little while shifting, but I guess thats the defueling feature of the edge. All in all seems like I will like this a lot. How befitting as I was pulling into the garage after my first run, on the radio the song "Bad to the Bone" was playing, how true, how truehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. And you are right Max Power the only con is that you feel like a kid with a hot rod. Next will be the MBRP duel exhust system for sure.

All I can say is DAM! The new juice is AWESOME!!! Had the "other" chip installed for a few days, so the Ali was used to a little more power. Level three shifts were better than expected, no smoke, and loads of power. To you guys that are waiting for the LLY juice...it will be worth the wait. Thank you to Rob at "Edge" for making my day, and to Harley99 for the post about the beta testers last week. Time to go "play" some more.

THANKS ALSO TO, ROB AND HARLEY99. IF NOT FOR YOU GUYS THIS WOULD NOT BE NOT POSSABLE. AS FAR AS THE CHIP GOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEVEL 3 IS JUST RIGHT, TONS OF POWER. hAVNT TRYED 4 OR 5 BUT NO ITS GOING TO BE VERY NICE.

NutzAboutChevys


First let me compliment you on your choice of Avatar's, very cool. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Next I agree in your thanking Rob @ Edge without him none of this would be possible. All other accolades need to go to George "The BigDipper" for alerting me and now everyone else that Edge was looking for Beta testers. My next thought is just how much diesel was used today by all of us testing our new juice boxes, hmmmmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Well then....George, thank you toohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

To all the guys that got or are getting a Beta Juice, please keep the feedback off the forums until the box is "officially" released. For more info, contact Edge directly.


George

George, do you realize how hard it will be to curb the enthusiasm from these guys, I can only hope that they all read your comment and comply. So far all comments have been in the positive vane, so I can't see how this would hurt anything with our postings. So as far as it pertains to me I will try to control myself, will be hard but will try....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

I realize what you are saying, but there was a mis-communication. Edge wanted the beta testers, they just didn't want the feed back to be posted on a forum. Just consider yourself to be one of the lucky ones who got one.....but also think about the guys that are reading how great they are and knowing they can't get one ....YET...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif.


SO PLEASE CONTACT EDGE INSTEAD OF POSTING

Seems to me the cat was let out of the bag 50 something posts ago. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifI'm one of the "lucky" ones, but if I wasen't i'd want an honest opinion before I spent all that $$$$ when they did get released. Sometimes anticipation is a good thing.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I realize what you are saying, but there was a mis-communication. Edge wanted the beta testers, they just didn't want the feed back to be posted on a forum. Just consider yourself to be one of the lucky ones who got one.....but also think about the guys that are reading how great they are and knowing they can't get one ....YET...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif.


SO PLEASE CONTACT EDGE INSTEAD OF POSTING








MOD's, might as well close this thread, before you do let me say one word AWESOME!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Well here goes - for all of you testing it, is it smooth ? any hiccups or funky areas, anything the tranny doesnt like ?Edited by: tbone1227

tbone1227


Not that we are ignoring you but we have been asked not to post anymore comments on this forum about the beta testing of the Edge Juice. If you will go back and read some of the already posted comments I'm sure you get the gist of our feelings..........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

SteveNorCal


You are somewhat of a rebel aren't you. with you one word!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Paul,


In a word, YES.


Steve

If you folk want other Beta Test programs available in the future, you should just bite your tongue for now. IMO.


What I will say, is that the packaging, mechanical design, and instructions are very good. I will dyno the Edge for LLY's, take it to the track, and tow with it, but only report my findings when I get the OK from Edge. I asked before I received it, and was told to not to.


With the TTS, I asked, and was given the OK to post my results without TTS review. I asked before I tested it. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted about it.


Either way, I will report (when allowed) how the Edge for LLY's performed on my truck, be it good or bad. Trust me, my reports on modifications are as accurate as I can make them.

McRat


I appreciate your explanation, I was not aware of Edge's request to not mention our beta testing on the "Forum". I had spoken to and had received several E-Mails from Rob and he never mentioned not to post our findings. Now that you have told us why I have no problem in complying with their wishes. I would never do anything that would go against their policies. I want to thank you for your concern and would not want to, in any way, jeapordize any future beta programs on or for "The Diesel Place"


Paul

It's good to hear Edge is making progress on the LLY beta Juice. I was fortunate enough to be a LB7 beta tester and believe me, if you're happy now, just wait till you drive the final polished product! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

McRat


I appreciate your explanation, I was not aware of Edge's request to not mention our beta testing on the "Forum". I had spoken to and had received several E-Mails from Rob and he never mentioned not to post our findings. Now that you have told us why I have no problem in complying with their wishes. I would never do anything that would go against their policies. I want to thank you for your concern and would not want to, in any way, jeapordize any future beta programs on or for "The Diesel Place"


Paul





No problem. I'm relaying what Rob told me on the phone before I signed up. I can understand that they don't want reports concerning unexpected glitches to be considered to be indicative of the production release.Edited by: McRat

McRat


Has Rob or anyone at Edge given you any kind of date for the final release?


Paul

Nope.

Nope

Has any one tested the edge,on a LLY, with a manual transmission.If so what were the results.

Not trying to ignore you, but if you'll read the thread, you'll see that the Beta testers have been asked not to post about it.


You'll have to wait for the final release, which shouldn't be too much longer, but I don't have a date nor any definitive info for you on that either.


Sorry, but it will be worth the wait...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif