Ran my truck at the track this last weekend. It's got the Banks 6-gun w/speedloader, Banks exhaust and K&N intake. This was with a 1000rpm launch. I ran it on each level to see what it gained. This is an extended cab short box.


Level 1: 15.82


Level 2: 15.66


Level 3: 15.48


Level 4: 15.34


Level 5: 15.27


Level 6: 15.22


My truck has never run faster than a 16.25 completely stock. I know that Banks says Level 1 is stock, but it must do something even on Level 1. Anybody know what that is?

probably some timing

Looked stock when I dyno tested it.





You are likely finding inconsistencies with your times due to changes in weather, fuel, or just driving technique.

Scotty





I also feel a change with from stock even with the Six-gun on level 1, especially when towing. Throttle seems faster to respond. Tubo seems louder also.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I wrote these numbers down from a dyno run that was done a while back. I don't have time right now to go back and look, but these were the numbers. I think it might have been from the first post on dynoing the 6-gun w/speedloader. It was a long thread. Kennedy, what do you think?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


Stock RWHP: 239


Level 1: 264


Level 2: 314


Level 3: 325


Level 4: 325


Level 5: 337


Level 6: 350

Quote from Banks:


"One thing, the six gun on L1 is stock, the signals are just passed through unmodified so the curves should overlay perfectly."





This has been my experience as well...Edited by: Kennedy

Those 1/4 mile times look pretty lame to me considering I ran a 15.38 with my regular juice on level 2 (60hp).


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The Edge must run damn strong for 60hp. My Hypertech could only manage a 15.4 on the 96hp setting. Don't tell my you ran that with those 35"s. Your makin' me look bad.

I ran 15.1 with my Predator on 40hp. I forgot to turn on my VA box. surprised the crap out of me.

Those 1/4 mile times look pretty lame to me considering I ran a 15.38 with my regular juice on level 2 (60hp).


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1bad01, Thanks for your effort to try and terminate an otherwise interesting thread. Calling someone's results LAME is really LAME in and of itself.


Scotty, thanks for providing the numbers. I'm sure by now we all realize where the Banks Six gun falls in the hierarchy of things both in performance and in advertising. But it is always interesting to get some feedback from the field. Your results are far from LAME. Not knowing the density altitude at which you were running we can only make comparisons based on your truck, that day, at that track. I don't think anyone has posted track time comparisons like that before. Thanks for your input!Edited by: Trippin

Let's not forget/underestimate level 1 (stock) performance improvement due to those after market stickers. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Thanks for the input Scotty. Something that helps me (im not sure if you do this or not?) is to stall it up against the brake hard for about 3 seconds or so or about 10 lbs of boost or more if your risky ! That will give the turbo a chance to spool up and should increase your times IF your interested.

Thanks for the input Scotty. Something that helps me (im not sure if you do this or not?) is to stall it up against the brake hard for about 3 seconds or so or about 10 lbs of boost or more if your risky ! That will give the turbo a chance to spool up and should increase your times IF your interested.


Holy Cow! Stall the tranny for 3 seconds?? Are you doing that to a stock trans or one with some major upgrades? I can't imagine doing that on a diesel with some mods. The stress on the driveline and converter must be pretty high. Does anyone else foot stall their converters like this with no problems??





Scotty, great post. Curious, what increases did you see in your MPH's? (which would be a better indication of the increases in the power levels)Edited by: hasselbach

Holy Cow! Stall the tranny for 3 seconds?? I can't imagine doing that on a diesel with some mods. Does anyone else foot stall their converters like this with no problems??



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call for help (http://www.suncoastconverters.com/)Edited by: sdaver

Did it for 45,000 "Jeff miles" on my 02 D/A with 120 edge. You can tell that the LLY has less grunt then the LB7 because you have to hold it longer. Is it good on it ? NO, but it will make it quicker!!

Holy Cow! Stall the tranny for 3 seconds?? Are you doing that to a stock trans or one with some major upgrades? I can't imagine doing that on a diesel with some mods. The stress on the driveline and converter must be pretty high. Does anyone else foot stall their converters like this with no problems??





Uhm... yes trippin does just ask my truck..http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Trippin,


I'm up here in Brainerd MN, and I know the altitude is somewhat poor for racing. I can't tell you what that figure is though. I knew when I posted this that some people would say those numbers were slow-and I expected that, but like you said, it's not the fastest box out there. I just thought it would be interesting to see what it ran on each level at the track. And I have never seen anybody post any times with their 6-gun, let alone doing it on all levels.


hasselbach,


I took my time slips home last night, but I think it went from around 87mph on level 1 to 93mph on level 6. I've ran my truck with the g-tech before. From what I see, the g-tech is really accurate on the times, but the mph reads a little high.


I'm happy with the 6-gun for now, but when the racebox comes out, I'll be buying it. I just hope it's a direct replacement for the 6-gun module, so that it plugs into the tcm, egt, and wiring harness.

Trippin,


What are you talking about? I didn't try to ruin anyone's thread I just put in some input of my own. I can't help it if the truth hurts.


As for the word "lame".........would you rather the word "slow".


Besides I really have nothing against the Six Gun, I would use it in a heartbeat for a tow only rig because I'm sure it will tow like hell with all the bottom end tq it makes.

I was hoping to see consistent mid-high 14s on level 6 from the Banks.

I've pretty well decided on the Edge until a few days ago, when I heard that Banks has their CARB exemption. With the very real possibility that my job will be moving to San Francisco in the next 12 months, it might not be a bad idea to go this route.

PLUS

I really have no intentions of doing trans upgrades. I figure, if I roll with the Banks, it's quite a bit less powerful than the Edge. Less of a chance of me smoking something if the Banks at full-tilt only gets me 90hp... vs the Edge giving me 150. Even though I *think* I would never run the Edge at level-5... I know I'd succumb to the "ohhh, just this once" mentality every so often.

Just my observation from these threads. The Edge w/attitude will smoke the gun in a race. But I know the Banks "likes" to get a good workout. I think the differences become much closer when pulling heavy loads. I would still like to see both of these modules run the 1/4 with a 10,000lb trailer.


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For one thing these trucks don't seem to break in to the 13`s without tranny work. (I know there are probably a couple out there that has done it. My best was today @ 14.13 using the G-Tech pro) The way I see it a 15.22 is pretty good for one of these trucks.


I have bashed and ragged on the Banks 6-Gun, But you did pretty good, Better then I thought it would. You were close enough to 14`s that I am sure on a good day and a good run would put you in the 14.7`s to 14.9`s. And with most of the power add ons doing no better then about 14.2-14.6 I give the 6-Gun one thumb up


By the way, how accurate are your G-Tech runs compared to the actual 1/4 mile track runs?


Thanks for the run information!

Trippin,


What are you talking about? I didn't try to ruin anyone's thread I just put in some input of my own. I can't help it if the truth hurts.


As for the word "lame".........would you rather the word "slow".


Besides I really have nothing against the Six Gun, I would use it in a heartbeat for a tow only rig because I'm sure it will tow like hell with all the bottom end tq it makes.





I guess I just didn't see the need to insult the guys truck. Lame? Slow? He wasn't presenting the times as look how bad a$$ my truck is....he was giving us all an FYI on what the different levels would do.


Keep in mind...until we all start correcting our 1/4 mile times to sea level atmospheric conditions......one man's 14.55 in Denver, could be someone else's 13.00 at, or near sea level.

I didn't mean to insult the guy's truck, it was the chip I was talking about.


Your truck will only be as fast as the chip will make it go.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I always appreciate good info on anything like that.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


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Also, I didn't mean to get as cocky as I did, it was just the heat of the moment. I love a good FRIENDLY argument!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: 1bad01

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the Banks 6 Gun will open up the speed limiter on the Duramax?.

I didn't mean to insult the guy's truck, it was the chip I was talking about.


Your truck will only be as fast as the chip will make it go.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I always appreciate good info on anything like that.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Sorry for the http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Also, I didn't mean to get as cocky as I did, it was just the heat of the moment. I love a good FRIENDLY argument!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Sorry I misunderstood your intentions! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

"......one man's 14.55 in Denver, could be someone else's 13.00 at, or near sea level.".....YEAH but we dont want you all moving down here.........a second and a half is a alot maybe 5 tenths..........

93mph is good for mid 14's with a good 4wd launch. When you aren't launching hard, you have to look at mph.

"......one man's 14.55 in Denver, could be someone else's 13.00 at, or near sea level.".....YEAH but we dont want you all moving down here.........a second and a half is a alot maybe 5 tenths..........




Most guys around here will pick up 5 tenths in the 1/8 leaving LACR in Palmdale and going to Carlsbad, Irwindale, Fontana, Bakersfield.

Thanks for posting results!


Guys, keep in mind if you slam guys posting tech data, you are going to make folk either not post their findings, or "enhance" their results.


PS - Powerbraking the truck will make it launch far, far, harder, and run much quicker, but to compare HP, you look at the MPH. It takes roughly 10rwhp to increase 1 MPH.

Holy Cow! Stall the tranny for 3 seconds?? I can't imagine doing that on a diesel with some mods. Does anyone else foot stall their converters like this with no problems??



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According to Tech 2 snap shot from the track last time out. 10 seconds at the starting line. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif All I can say is..........Thanks ATS!


(Dear Lord I apologize there for the shameless ATS plug...and please be with the starving pygmies down in New Guinea, Amen)


Only funny if your a "Larry The Cable Guy" fan!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Git'R'Done!


10 seconds is a long time to to spool up!

Yeah, On my best pass (the 13.63) I was staged and spooled up and the starter went to sleep. I mean the other lane was already staged when I got there so I got staged and spooled up and I'm waiting........and waiting.........and waiting......getting nervous....things are gettin kinda hot here........I wonder if this guy is ever gonna start the tree oh there it is yellow, yellow, yellow........Green........I thought for sure something was going to burn up but instead it becomes my best pass. So any way this last time out I was tryin to recreate the crime from memory. Only this time I was logging runs with the Tech 2, so I had the time data recorded.Edited by: Trippin

scotty


i have the 6 gun but it also came with the speed loader. i think this adds more hp and tq to the vehical. does yours not have this? and does it realy help?

The 90hp juice gave me consitant 14.6-14.8 results all the time. I have the 145hp juice now but I only went to level 5 a few times. I'm going to wait to have some tranny work done. I run level 3 on the HJAT wich is supposed to be equivalent to the old 90hp juice level 4.

I would like to do the transgo first and the TC later when it's fried. Probably going to do it myself so time is not important.

For the extent of the sixgun kit, the times seems a little slow but it's very hard to compare due to the altitude and also the measuring equipment.

hdmax,


The g-tech's times were spot on the track times. The mph on the g-tech read a little high, though.


BuckeyeQuicky,


The Six-Gun doesn't remove the speed limiter.


dogboy,


I do have the speedloader installed. It's not a BIG improvement, but every little bit helps.

I have the Edge w/attitude and I ran a 14.70 at 93mph with a 4" lift and 33" tires. I was only making 22lbs of boost. I have made up to 24.5lbs of boost but for some reason could not make that boost again at the track. With the edge chip, how much boost are most of you guys making?

The Banks 6 Gun does not remove the speed limiter. I spoke to a Banks Rep and he stated that Banks would reprogram the Six -gun to up the speed limiter maybe at a later date.