Anybody out there have or ordered new quad lly box? Just curious if anybody has tried it. I would get one myself but no money to fix broken stuff right now.

am I the only one who has heard about this?

look in the Power and Perf section for some info.

It works really good. I have been in several trucks with them and haven't seen an issue yet.

I have the LLY Quad. It totally rocks! I went right to the 110 setting and eliminated the speed limiter. The install was smooth as silk and the quad has performed past my expectations that's for sure!

The power delivery is unreal, the truck is nothing like stock. Now when I stomp on it she flat sh*ts and gets, turbo lag has gone from a good bit to none at all. The tires have to fight for traction.....the truck will smoke them down in first from a dead stop, and catch a more than decent scratch in second and fights and chirps through most of second as it winds through it!.

A 1990 or so 5 speed Mustang GT that was roaring around acting bad near my place became the first victim to see what a Duramax can do even when saddled with 7000lbs of truck! The look on that guy's face as I pulled away from him was worth every penny I spent on this box!

The top end speed is wild, I ran it to 120mph just to make sure the 95mph limiter was truly gone as well as to make sure the speedo earns its keep, and the truck was STILL pulling like a demon when I let off at 120. Freeway speeds are nothing now and passing someone from a 75mph roll is now a simple matter of easing slightly into the throttle and watching the speedo climb effortlessly.

I tried the 70hp setting just to see and it too is very impressive, of course not the beast that the 110 is but it really wakes the truck up. It performs with the 70 the way it SHOULD be from the factory in the first place IMO. Changing tunes takes maybe a minute at most, I thought it was going to be longer so I started to fiddle with the stereo and looked down and it was done. The quad has earned its permanent place in the seatback pocket on the drivers side.

The engine and the tranny are still learning what to do with all this newfound power.....but its getting better and better every day....

I am glad I got the quad, especially for the limiter, and also now when I get my 285's the speedo will be corrected. I feel like the quad was the best buy out there for the money, especially once you factor in EVERYTHING it can do.

how are you running the 110 power level and not slippin anything in the tranny if its stock ? youve got to be beating the living chit out of poor ol' ally thats for sure - probably a good time to upgrade her so you can keep romping around with no problems. its good to hear that the new box is working out for people - sounds like it must be better than the box that came out first, as that wasnt dialed in much - anyone else got one running in there truck ?

One of the reasons I went with the quad was all the old posts on this forum as well as others reporting running the 110 quad and not limping the alli. Many even report being able to run the 135 quad and not limp, although a good bit more said they limped it easy with the 135. Quad made the power come in more linear than other boxes, which is more like the stock curve, so there isn't a massive down low hit that overwhelms the drivetrain at a very low rpm.

I am not trying to say that I can't or am not doing damage to the alli with the 110 quad, but a lot of that has to do with how you drive the truck. My wife drives it more than I do, its her to work and back (3 miles total) run around during the day vehicle. I take the reins at night when we go out and on weekends and trips, as well as when we tow horses or our boat.

The alli is no different than any tranny, its most vulnerable point is when shifting into the next gear when it applies that next gears clutch packs, and also in the torque convertor clutches.
First to second is the first most common damage point, then 4th into 5th.

The wife will NEVER be going into 5th under full throttle that's for sure, nor is she likely to hammer it off the line. I myself tend to roll into the throttle from a stop then quickly take it to the mat, and I know when I am fixing to slam it into 5th so I tend to let up barely. Not that I haven't also slammed it to the floor from a stop and run it to 100 without letting up :)

The truck being well under warranty does allow my conscience to push the foot a little farther too I admit! Maybe if the tranny dies the stealer will let me take it to an outside shop where I can have it beefed on their tab, that's what happened when I blasted out the third 4L60E in my 93 LT1.

Here is where I stand on this:

1.) I am gonna run it like it is. If it limps the tranny then I will be looking hard at the suncoast III, or possibly working the stealer into an external shop for the repair, at which point the converter will be replaced and the clutches upgraded

2.) I am gonna add 285's and then more than likely exhaust. When I get the exhaust I will back the quad down to the 90hp level since the exhaust will bring me back to about the 110 alone.

3.) I honestly think the power level at 110 is workable, especially empty, but when I tow I will drop it down to the 70hp level or 50hp with exhaust.

Everything I said doesn't apply for those who flog and dog and otherwise beat the hell out of their rigs.......and I have no doubt I could run right through the alli with just the quad 110 if I tried.....

WILL IT STACK WITH THE EDGE? IF SO HAS ANY ONE TRIED IT?

"2.) I am gonna add 285's and then more than likely exhaust. When I get the exhaust I will back the quad down to the 90hp level since the exhaust will bring me back to about the 110 alone. "


say what ? i dont think youll get 20 hp out of exhaust alone but maybe im wrong - i think 5-10hp would be more like it

Well, I have seen claims from manufacturers anywhere from 8 to 25 horsepower and even 30 for the LLY from the exhaust (cat replaced with pipe)

I haven't found where any independent person has actually had their truck on a dyno to verify those gains. Maybe that's something I need to do so I will KNOW for myself and not have to ask or research???

The main reason I am speculating on the 20hp gain is because I am sure there is SOME gain on a stock truck by replacing the exhaust, even if it is a small gain such as the lowball 8hp figure above, but adding a free flowing exhaust to a modified truck should show more of a gain. The stock exhaust might well flow more than the stock DMAX can expell, but do you think GM overbuilt it to handle a 34% increase in power? This is assuming my truck puts about 260hp to the rear wheels but puts 350hp down with the 90 quad alone. Those numbers aren't exact of course, but other posts and dyno tests have shown that the quad always exceeds its rated numbers.

So yes, I would expect 20hp out of a bigger free flowing exhaust from an engine making roughly 415hp flywheel (versus 310hp stock) or 350hp (versus 260hp stock) at the rear wheels.

These numbers are calculated from a stock truck 90hp quad rear gain factored forward with an 15% driveline loss adjustment to get gross power (flywheel)

Would you expect a 20hp gain from an engine making 105 more rated horsepower than stock due to the quad 90 tune? How about 130 more than stock with the 110 quad tune? If the stock exhaust is that good someone prove it so I can save lots of time and money by just keeping it.......

This whole thread has been funny. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I have driven a lot of trucks lately with the Quad box ( LLY). To say it rocks, and more linear power is an overstatement. Some people lead sheltered lives or they just don't expect much for their money.


mike

I certainly haven't lived a "sheltered life" thank you very much, nor do I overstate things. If the box sucked I would be the first to say so because I would feel cheated, and I don't tolerate being cheated. IMO for what I paid I got MORE than my money's worth, especially since the box handles the power, revs, limiter, code read and reset, and tire cal all in one package. The thread was started looking for people that run the quad box. The quad does what it they say it will do period. The power comes on smoothly in the lower settings (hence the term "linear") although in the 110 setting it hits pretty hard and never looks back. Any more power than it gives in the 110 setting would be useless as the tires nor the tranny could begin to handle it.

Noticing that you are a vendor tells me a lot.......

Many vendors think the best way to prop up the products they sell is to try to tear down other peoples products. Even worse when they feel the need to make a cut on the customer as well.

How sad.

I guess CPMac is also sheltered and doesn't expect much either when he said early in this thread that the quad "works really good" and he hasn't "seen an issue yet".

Anyway, when the quad makes its first step out of line you can count on me to be on here reporting it, but until then there isn't anything negative I can say about the box whatsoever.

I have the quad tuner and it runs good . I think it still has some glitches and quirks but overall better than the first module. It does stack with my Edge but only seems to give me another 1-2 mph in the 1/4 . It doesnt do what i thought it might do when stacking, maybe too much fuel !? I had mine up to like 118 but dont think i had the speedo/tires set right so was prolly more than that. Seems to raise the rpm limiter some to like 3500 or 3600rpm.


Also , on 90 and 110 it does seem alittle touchy (jumpy)with the throttle when just cruising. I seem to like the Quad on 70hp and the Edge on 3 for normal and then turn up the Edge for Rippin !!!Edited by: FASTOYS

txchris - im not trying to downplay anything at all, just so were clear on that - i was just trying to figure out extra hp on exhaust as you are - i dont for one second think the stock set up is as good as whats out there or i wouldnt be running a full system with no cat, it definitely improved the overall performance no doubt, i was just thinking aloud about getting 20 hp out of it - it might be, i know when i dynoed it looked like maybe 8-10 extra hp out of the intake and exhaust together by my guestimation - must mho, thanks for your input, you pointed out some valid points, let me know what you come out with

tbone1227 - didn't think you were downplaying at all, you could easily be right on the money about the gains with the exhaust. I was just depending on past gains with street race cars. In gas powered cars/trucks there are solid proven gains (large ones) to be had in the exhaust systems. It may well be that the diesel system is mostly very good to begin with and the gains are very small. I would think that has a lot to do with the the far lower rpm range we are operating in so of course the volume would be less. My guess on the 20hp was figuring the extra output the quad already was placing on the stock system.

You mentioned dyno time.......

Did you get to dyno before and after adding the exhaust and intake? So many people seem to be of the opinion that the exhaust only lowers EGT a touch and doesn't do anything for the power. Those lower EGT's gotta be coming from more flow and generally more flow equals more power.


FASTOYS - I would agree that "touchy" could be applied to the 110 setting on the LLY. It really brings the turbo in fast, the word "lag" isn't in the picture at all with the quad 110.

Dunno about the 90, I have spent my time in the 70 and 110. The 70 is really good though, I bet I could have put it in and the wife might have not even noticed the difference since she doesn't drive heavy but rarely. The 70 eliminates the vast majority of the lag from stock and has the balls to get just past the grip of the stock tires in first with sometimes a small chirp into second.

What "glitches and quirks" are you referring to? I haven't had any, but anything is possible of course. I dunno when you got yours, the tuner has been out for some time now, maybe there is a revision already? When I get home this afternoon I will see what software version mine is and post it for comparison.

Sure looks like that stock airbox could be run into that covered fender opening very easily......sure doesn't seem like it would hurt it to breath in nice cool fresh air instead of that hot underhood air. That and a touch lower thermostat along with an EGR block plate to keep the heat off my "cooler" to gain some ground in the old thermal war..........modern computer controlled vehicles have proven to be very responsive to mods like these.......

Edited by: TxChristopher

I don't think this guy is going to last very long acting that way.... Should be interesting to see how this thread plays out.. I find it guite unusual that one of your first few posts was on this topic about how great something was shortly after someone asked.. Oh well, glad you are here, for however long that last...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: GMC2500HD

GMC2500HD - pearland eh? Real close. I am that way fairly often. I would love to swing by and check out your rig. I am actually in webster, used houston as people know more where that is.

I am not so sure what you meant about replying so fast, the thread is several months old. I only joined and tossed my .02 in since the only mod I have is the LLY quad so I have some first hand info and a search for "quad box" turned up this thread. If you are referring to how fast I responded to further posts that is because I have mobile internet and the board was set to email me when there was a post, which I have since turned off because late at night I started having to keep checking the darn thing as notices poured in for every post and it won't hush until you check the message. Once you are doing that you may as well reply if need be.........

I'm with you Doc. Somethin' fishy goin' on here.


Dennis

LOL you guys are a trip! I own a boat but not a single fishing pole.

What's weird is how if someone likes a product you don't like then there must be something wrong with them.....instead of discussing the products themselves.

There may be a better moustrap out there, hell there could be many for all I know. I can only tell you about the one I have and that it works well.

Okay, buckwheat, look at it from our perspective. Most guys have been around here a lot longer than I have. . . There is some history with certain products and vendors. . . then you come along touting the holy grail of boxes. . . a day after you join the forum, and as your first post.


Most guys will do a little reading and learning before they go promoting a certain product as if they were say, umm, the product producer.


I'm not saying that you did anything wrong, just that it seems suspicious. That's it.


Dennis

bump what impala said - i dont think that anyone is trying to give you hell per say, its just that there are a tone of threads that deal with programs, pros and cons on all of them - i think the way most people will read your first post was from someone trying to sell it and not from a first time user - if it was misunderstood, i guess we stand correct, chit happens and as long as people are open to discussing items both in good and bad and not getting p'd off, it can only be good for all of us here

One negative thing I do have to say is that the quad renders the DIC mileage meters, both instant and overall, to be inaccurate. This was kinda obvious once the tune was in and the instant mileage was reading 30mpg at 75mph.

I didn't expect this, so I emailed quadzilla telling them their tuner broke my DIC (which amused me greatly to do) and they responded the next afternoon telling me that the mileage as measured by the DIC will NEVER be correct with ANY aftermarket tuner or box because the fuel maps the compy uses to calculate with are altered. Seems to me that unlike an external box the compy should be able to calculate off of internal program changes since it can "see" the changes made, but maybe not.

So so far the only penalty has been the DIC fuel mileage meters.

Are all the programmers the same way?

i think for the most part they wont be 100% accurate as they do alter the fueling and timing, but they should also get somewhat close as they adjust for tire size, etc - i can only speak for the TTS tow tune that I run and my MPH is dead on with it, the mileage is off by about .50 - .85 overall when i do the hand calculation

MikeL what Quad box have you been riding in? Module or tuner?


tbone the DIC is off by well less than 1mpg when hand calculated on the lower hp settings on the Quad tuner or module also. Now when you set them up on the higher settings the DIC is farther off.

What hp level are you running? They told me the larger the tune the more the DIC reading would be off. My numbers were off under my foots control, I did notice it was a little closer to stock under cruise control once the dmax/alli got all comfy cruisy. I will have to run some tests of decent duration to see exactly how much it is off and under what conditions.

Is the TTS a send in PCM reflash, box or tuner? What levels is it capable of? Just curious about your setup, people on here seem to favor the TTS as well as the juice. In reading this board and others for a few months before posting anything I have noticed each board has an "overall favorite" that the majority seem to lean towards, although its a different unit on different boards so opinions vary as always......

Secondly how much noticable decrease in "ummmph" did you see after going to the bigger tires? Anyone dyno after the tires to quantify the penalty?

i didnt dyno before the lift but stock after the lift and tires i had 260 rwhp - with the TTS Tow Tune, it dynoed at 321 rwhp ( Tow Tune is supposed to be 50hp extra )

What size are your BFG's?

It looks like TTS rates their boxes/tuners low then, which seems to be the norm in this game. Nice when something not only does what it says it will do but actually delivers a little more.

im running 305/70/16

I smell a rat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a red 2500HD CC 4x4 gasser that I see regularly that runs that size tire on the stock rims, the truck looks so much better minus the pizza cutters. I only ever catch the guy in passing so I haven't had a chance to go into details, like I am wondering if that's just a bit too wide a tire for the stock rims, as in does it tend to bow the tire and cause oddball wear patterns. The math says they are a tad shorter than the 285 75's but its always best to measure any tire after mounting......

Then he Hijacks someone's elses thread.

Not really sure what is going on here. First of all you just sign up, then automatically find this thread about quad boxes and with a few posts under your belt you jump out there and scream this thing rocks....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Next you continue to go and on about quad this and that, yada yada, and now we are up to hijacking threads? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


I think even though you have not lived a "sheltered" life you can respect the threads and wait till you are not green behind the ears and then go posting and talking about how good your quad 110 is on your LLY with EGR mod "already" done...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif


So if you are as smart as I think you might be, I think you get what I am getting at....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Oh and WELCOME TO THE FORUM....Enjoy your stay...

Some people watch too many soap opera's.

Look, I didn't START the thread, it was here a long time.

All I did was tell what I knew SO FAR about the box I have. If I remember right that was what the person who started the thread wanted in the first place.

As far as HIJACKING someone elses thread it looks to me like it was left for dead a long long time ago when the original person never got much of a response. Then when I decide to join and make positive comments about something that I read and researched on for 4 MONTHS that is giving me the service it said it would then all of a sudden you guys come out the woodwork like roaches crying foul.

I guess the agreement upon joining doesn't mean squat cause by far and away it seems the way of doing business here is to call someone buckwheat, sheltered, a rat, fishy, or whatever else you can come up with at the time instead of discussing the topic or merits of whatever is the topic.

I don't have an LB7 quad I have an LLY quad, I don't give a damn if the first ones sucked a rhinos ass because the one I have is just fine, and if you don't have the new one then you are really in no position to say one way or the other are you?

How soon people forget about the early problems with the much revered JUICE as they sing its praise today.

Maybe this isn't a good board afterall if all you get are craploads of personal attacks when someones opinion differs from your own........

I said before, if you took the time to read, I don't know if there is a better moustrap out there or not, I just know and am in a position to tell people what I know about the one I ACTUALLY HAVE AND USE.

I posted my results about disconnecting the EGR the same time I responded to this thread too.....now that you are aware of that you can run over to that thread and flame me too if you have nothing better to do.......

I hear roaches can live ten days after their head is cut off. We're not the roaches.

http://oilburners.net/forums/images/smilies/WTF.gifWell I personally just think it is weird that you for no apparent reason resurrected and old thread, but now that you are done whining...things can now return to normal...








Edited by: GMC2500HD

Just was answering the wild call of the whining chorus which at first was a faint cry but seemed to be rising into an uproar.....

You never did say anything about checking out your truck. We live very close, you could drive mine and give me your opinion on how it runs. I don't have anything to gauge it against, just the performance of the truck itself which will be heading to a dyno soon to verify......

Nothing really to check out on my truck it is all stock...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Great time for me to line up with you then before you get those goodies I see listed in the sig.....LOL!!!! If I don't get ya now looks like my chance will be shot!

Either way though if you wanna check mine out that's cool. Do you have the early LB7 2004? I am assuming you do since you list the 215 on your "to do" list.......

I wouldn't mind dialing back to stock just to see how a stock LLY does against a stock LB7. Everyone seems to believe the LB7 has so much more initial punch than the LLY.

Tell you one thing I sure would do different if I could use the wayback machine to get me back to when I ordered this tuner, and it goes for any part I would think....

If I could go back I would give them dogs the name and addy of a trusted friend in another state, like california or florida or wherever and have them ship it to them then have the friend mail it to me. I didn't find out ahead of time where they were and it turned out they were up near Dallas somewhere.

Costs me a Grant in sales tax.......