this is what i am looking for in a programmer..


1.recalibrate for bigger tires..


2. get better mileage(empty i get 17 hwy,towing anything 2500lbs or less i get 13-15)


thats it... i never tow more than 2500lbs so i don't need anymore power,i just wish my mileage would be alittle better,i know we have hills here and its hard to stay at 70 mph,i like to cruise around 75-78mph,but my ole 1500 5.3 gets the same mileage as this 2500 and it has 110,00 miles on it,the 2500 only has 8500 right now..no complaining i love my duramax and wouldn't give it up for nothing but if i can fix these 2 things i will be set..thanks guys.. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

toolman,


Call us and get the Predator, consistently the best overall performer with the tire size features your after. It doesn't put out the max HP some do but from your description it's fits your needs to a "T". Call us if we can answer any questions for you.


Mark @ DPPI


P.S. You might consider an intake system for MPG gains as well. Get the programmer first and then intake and watch the MPG to see if it gets where you want to be. We sell the AFE Pro Guard 7.

Mileage gains from an intake? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Seems to me most people dont like the predator???


I have the juice with an attitude monitor and love it. You can correct for tire size on just the attitudes display. What size tires do you have? The dealer can flash up to 265's. I thought about getting my truck corrected for the bigger tires but then my odometer and thus warantee would be a shade less. I think regardless you cant correct the abs stuff past 265's? Right? its just correcting the speedo and odo???


My juice with level set at level 1 made my truck run like a differnt vehical.


Quad or steve cole would be who I looked at for a reflash type program if I were going that wroute as apposed to a box route I went from just the reading I have done here. JMO

toolman,


Call us and get the Predator, consistently the best overall performer with the tire size features your after. It doesn't put out the max HP some do but from your description it's fits your needs to a "T". Call us if we can answer any questions for you.


Mark @ DPPI


P.S. You might consider an intake system for MPG gains as well. Get the programmer first and then intake and watch the MPG to see if it gets where you want to be. We sell the AFE Pro Guard 7.








Is there anyone here that likes the predator?





EDGE with ATTITUDE





Simply the best...

Yea, I love my Predator, I think it is the best deal out there, it shows, full datastream, read and erase codes, change for tire size, change for gear changes, and raises top speed limiter, plus has several different power settings. Also cost less than half of a juice attitude.

You forgot to mention that the programs give less HP and a ton more heat in the form of EGT's... Whats the long term effect of the higher heat... $$$$$ for repairs... So whats 300 dollars now, on a big dollar motor.....

I keep hearing about all this exaust heat from Predator. Does anyone have any reall EGT numbers for comparisons sake? Stock, EDGE, Predator and Quad would be nice. Quad claims to have the very lowest right on his own website.


Without real numbers it is hard to formulate a real opinion.

I keep hearing about all this exaust heat from Predator. Does anyone have any reall EGT numbers for comparisons sake? Stock, EDGE, Predator and Quad would be nice. Quad claims to have the very lowest right on his own website.


Without real numbers it is hard to formulate a real opinion.





Do you think we are making these up or what? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I have a Predator that I used to stack with but it makes high EGTs with less power than other stacks.


It makes higher EGTs by itself compared to other options as well. Still easily managed with a gauge and half a brain, even when towing.


Here is a few more nuggets of info for you since you seem to collect all this without ever posting the results of what you run:


The predator is nice but the other options make more power with less heat and as far as a comp tune or stack goes they are all hotter than hell. It does not matter what you run, it is hot.


How hot are your EGTs Bronco? What power mods are you running? What are your real numbers?

If those are the only two things you want covered, I don't think you can buy anything cheaper than the Hypertech. Recal for tires, gearing, erase codes, power gains up to 96hp, and a slight gain in mpg. I've found these from dealers for under $315.

I keep hearing about all this exaust heat from Predator. Does anyone have any reall EGT numbers for comparisons sake? Stock, EDGE, Predator and Quad would be nice. Quad claims to have the very lowest right on his own website.


Without real numbers it is hard to formulate a real opinion.





Do you think we are making these up or what? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I have a Predator that I used to stack with but it makes high EGTs with less power than other stacks.


It makes higher EGTs by itself compared to other options as well. Still easily managed with a gauge and half a brain, even when towing.


Here is a few more nuggets of info for you since you seem to collect all this without ever posting the results of what you run:


The predator is nice but the other options make more power with less heat and as far as a comp tune or stack goes they are all hotter than hell. It does not matter what you run, it is hot.


How hot are your EGTs Bronco? What power mods are you running? What are your real numbers?








I never said anyone was making anything up. I just asked for some real numbers. So what are they?


BTW the latest revision is 1.11. Does anyone have current EGT numbers?


Was this with a factory exaust, intake if not whos? What was the ambient temparature, alltitude, air density, and load at the time?


Edited by: Bronco

i have a predator that is sold to someone. i just cant give it to them untill i get it REFLASHED for another vehicle. i have had my share of programmers and i dislike the predator the most. its really choppie and mates itself to the truck, not easy to sell or get rid of. the edge is well worth the money and so smooth. spend a few hundred more and get a regular juice. i had the hypertech for about three months i liked it, its cheap! i've seen almost a 1600 deg. temp from the 120hp predator.

Morning members,


I agree with all that you have said about heat and cost, however the initial question was little to no twoinf weights, tire size and MPG. The EGT is not a problem especially when not towing, and he gets the speedo recalibration and the Predator does seem to get the best MPG increase from our sales and customer feedback.


We sell a ton of the Edge Juice and Attitude, it makes more HP lower in the rpm band with lower egt's too, but it doesn't fit the info the customer was asking about is the reason we suggested the Predator.


Mark @ DPPI

Morning members,


I agree with all that you have said about heat and cost, however the initial question was little to no twoinf weights, tire size and MPG. The EGT is not a problem especially when not towing, and he gets the speedo recalibration and the Predator does seem to get the best MPG increase from our sales and customer feedback.


We sell a ton of the Edge Juice and Attitude, it makes more HP lower in the rpm band with lower egt's too, but it doesn't fit the info the customer was asking about is the reason we suggested the Predator.


Mark @ DPPI








I know you are a supporting vendor, but you seemed to jump right in trying to make a sale. I do not know if this person is your customer, but it feels a little forward. There are plenty of other vendors here that would pipe in and give advice, without saying call us and get this.... then buy this from us.....


I know you want to advertise and make money, but it would look a lot better if you were here to support other members and give information without trying to make a sale each post...


I have never read any of your other posts, but in this thread, you seemed pushy.... But who am I to decide.... I was just a possible customer, that you just turned off.....


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Sorry to be off topic...


The reason I really like the juice and attitude combo, is because it is always running while the truck is running... It is smart, if the egt's get to hot, it backs off... But it makes people, even novices have to learn more about thier truck, just cause the information and or warnings are always in thier face. With other devices, a person is forced to buy guages at a 250 dollar pop...My opinion is most guys would not.. and that is what makes most anything other than the attitude hard to recomend to a newbie to diesels.Edited by: OnTheEdge

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As much as I love my Edge Juice it doesn't seem to increase fuel mileage, and it doesn't correct the speedometer for different tire sizes.


If I recall correctly these were the only two things the original poster cares about. He stated that he never tows more than 2500lbs and doesn't care about more power, just better fuel mileage.





Based on this, how can ANYONE suggest the Edge Juice to be what he's looking for? It costs twice as much as something that would suit his needs better and the Predator will read/erase ignition codes as an added bonus.

toolman,


Call us and get the Predator, consistently the best overall performer with the tire size features your after. It doesn't put out the max HP some do but from your description it's fits your needs to a "T". Call us if we can answer any questions for you.


Mark @ DPPI


P.S. You might consider an intake system for MPG gains as well. Get the programmer first and then intake and watch the MPG to see if it gets where you want to be. We sell the AFE Pro Guard 7.
Will that work for a 2500HD 6.0???

Why correct your speedo?? I keeps the miles off your truck when it is wronghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Edited by: 1bad01

I don't get it either 1bad01, I like the fact that my ECM and odometer will always show 13% less miles than actual.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif I'll get an extra 13k miles out of my powertrain warranty (and maybe 26k extra miles out of my injector warranty) if I keep these tires on.

Sometimes people ask a question when they dont really know what to ask. I agree to a point that one should answer the Q asked but sometimes answering something that isnt the original Q is benifitial. As long as you explain yourself. Maybe changing tire size isnt as important to him as he thinks, maybe it is, who knows or will know unless he gets all the facts. If he is just curious how fast he is going actually then the edge juice/attitude will tell him that. If he just wants to change his tire size because he thinks that running some 35's will fool the trucks computer and make it only run in reverse then maybe we can address thos concerns. If he just put 265's on it then the dealer can flash for that right? So one shouldnt buy a programer for that. I think most of us are just trying to be helpfull and get all the info to get him all the info/feedback he needs to make an informed decision. If all he wants is to take care of tire size and a bit more milage then I would say give Steve cole or quadzilla a call and they will set you up with what ever you want.


BTW, you say that you dont want more power but I know how it went for me. Bought a juice box and put it on level 1 and though "man this thing is an animal" Planed on keeping it there becuase it was defiantly more than enough power.....that lasted about 3 days.....power is an addiction, if your anything like me you will be trying to sell off one of your Chevelles so you can get your trany upgraded and put a really big program on it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


IMO do lotsa reading and you will figure out what actually is best for you. Easiest way to improve milage is to slow down, i notice a big chage in milage if I keep my foot outa it and if I dont cruise at 75. past 70 or so and milage starts dropping pretty quick. Also remember that if your doing your milage calcs with bigger tires to adjust your figrue

WOW..didn't mean to get anything started..


i am only running 265's and yes i know my dealer can handle that if i want but i was just thinking if i have to get a programmer i might as well be able to calibrate for the tires too..


i really want just want to get the best mileage i can with a programmer without changing my driving habits,no i do not need or want more power.i have played that game before and do not want to cause any undo problems on this truck,i plan on having it a very long time..


thanks agian for all the replies and keep them coming i am reading and processing all this info,so i hopefully will make the right decision..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

Something else to consider. Messing with your stock programming with a "flash" type programmer can lead to problems. Problems if the programmer screws up and will not reinstall your stock programming. Trust me, it can happen. Then you gotta get your stock tunes reprogrammed back into your truck, and good luck finding someone to do it. I'm leaning more and more toward a Juice/Attitude for those reasons, it leaves your programming stock and changes the parameters within it's hardware. Learned the hard way.


My .02

Why correct your speedometer for bigger tires, umm maybe to decrease your chance of getting a speeding ticket. All of you guys dog the Predator, I would like to know how many of you have even driven a truck with one, let alone have one yourself. I have had my Predator for over a year now and It is the best $360 I have ever spent on my truck. I dont have a problem with egts. I just hauled a car on an 18ft trailer about 100 miles with my Predator on 120 and with my injectors. I never once had to back out of it to keep egts within safe limits. Edge will get plenty warm also if you dont have the attitude moniter to make it defuel. You guys keep pushing the edge at the guy that asked specifically for a PROGRAMMER that would recalibrate for bigger tires.

i myself have and dislike the predator. after using both that and the juice, the juice is just better. the only thing the juice cant do is read and erase codes. i dont like the predator because it is too herkie jerkie, it dont let the engine warm up before it will add the power, it dont tell me what my truck is doing unless i look it up and take my eyes off the road,-it cant even tell me what my boost is, just stays blank!!, i cant adjust it on the fly, its too hard to get rid of, its very picky about how i have to get the tire calibration to work, and the best part of all is it marries itself to the truck!! just my opinion though

BullyDog Power Pup for me. Works great, low egt's, I went to 285/75's so I just added 2 " to the tire size and it is dead on.(Checked it with my radar). I put mine on the 75HP setting. I also pull a 5000 lb camper, no problem's. Also increased my milage 3.8 mpg.


Got mine from smokindiesel.com $349.00, excellent people there.

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OnTheEdge,


Sorry if we offended you, we have been in the business of diesel performance since the late 90's. We have been advertising and promoting products on sites like this since their inception with the use of the world wide web. We pay the site to advertise which gives us the opportunity to post and talk about products to members etc. Don't confuse that with any thoughts that we aren't interested in selling products, we are for SURE! Remember too that we are a paid advertiser that pays to keep this site operating so that all the members get to use it for "free" as an information source and place to just have a good time in general. Check thru the history and you'll see we post about a lot of topics that don't relate just to promotion of the products we sell. Again we didn't want to offend you and have been using the same basic "call us etc " for the better parts of 7 years now and never had anyone become upset. Maybe it is time for a change who knows!


Mark @ DPPI

Camstyn,


"As much as I love my Edge Juice it doesn't seem to increase fuel mileage, and it doesn't correct the speedometer for different tire sizes.


If I recall correctly these were the only two things the original poster cares about. He stated that he never tows more than 2500lbs and doesn't care about more power, just better fuel mileage.





Based on this, how can ANYONE suggest the Edge Juice to be what he's looking for? It costs twice as much as something that would suit his needs better and the Predator will read/erase ignition codes as an added bonus."


Exactly what I had tried to say in my post about what the member asked for.


Mark @ DPPIEdited by: Mark Craig

Savvy up,


If you mean the air intake yes it will, it won't get you as much power or potential MPG as it doens in a diesel but it helps. We just put one on a firends 2000 and he been happy with it so far.


If you mean the programmer we have them for the gassers too, same info as above applies as well.


Mark @ DPPI

Someone said an extra 13% on the speedo. What size tires are they running. I think it's closer to 3%.
Richard

Im with Nite stalker


The Pup does all he wants and more, mine has been no higher than the first setting and it has plenty for the non racer. Took a while for the trans to adjust but it is doing fine know.


Geno

Someone said an extra 13% on the speedo. What size tires are they running. I think it's closer to 3%.
Richard


265's are about 3.9% error, 285 are 7.9% error


Bill