AT THE DEALER OUR GM REP. DROPPED THE NEW INJ. WARRANTY 7YRS. 200,000 MILE WARRANTY. SO DONT BE AFRAID TO BUY USED BOYS.

they finally made that official? I have been hearing rumers of it for better then 4 months now

So it is official???

I hope that applies to GM vehicles sold in Canada as well!

Is that on just the LB7 or does it also include the LLY?

Jim

NO OUR REP SAID THAT IT ONLY LB7 AND DONT KNOW ABOUT CANADA.

Excuse this REAL dumb question, what is the differance between LB7 and LLY? I'm really new at this. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

So, does this apply to all LB7 powered trucks? Basically, my truck's injectors are now warranted for 7yrs or 200,000????????????

Hi all. I am new to the forum. I appreciate the wealth of information on this site.


My 01 is in the shop now getting all 8 injectors replaced with just under 49,000 miles. The dealership gave me a Chevy prizm to drive while I wait on parts. Needless to say I have been doing a bunch of whining. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif This is the best news I have heard all day.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Brandon

Wow. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

If its true, i give GM a big http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. Tho its not permanent fix like many want, i think itll make anyone buying even less concerned, Will make those already owning less paranoid, and less concerned about trading at the end of 5yr or 100k....Id think theyd extend it to our pals to the north, otherwise that be pretty rude....Keep us posted...Edited by: Polarbear

Old Vet, the LB7 is the first generation of Duramax. Built from 2001, till 2004. For the 2004.5 trucks have the LLY
In the LB7 engines, the fuel injectors are under the valve covers. The LLY engine has the injectors outside the valve covers (VERY over simplified)
If I butchered the above statements, someone will probally correct me.

JUST GOT SOME MORE INFO, IT DOSE COVER CANADA AND THERE IS A REIMBUREMENT FOR BOTH US & CANADA. IF YOU HAD THEM REPLACED AND YOU PAID FOR THE REPAIR YOU MUST SUBMIT THE TOTAL CLAIM TO CUSTMER ASSISTANCE CENTER NOT THE DEALERS AND MUST BE SUBMITTED BY MAY30 2005 FOR CANADA ONLY REPAIRS MUST HAVE OCCURED WITHIN THE 7 YEARS OF THE DATE THE TRUCK WAS ORIGINALLY PLACED IN SERVICED OR 320,000 KM, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. YOU MUST SHOW PROOF OF OWNERSHIP AT TIME OF REPAIR. AND ORIGNAL PAID RECEIPT SHOWING THE AMOUNT PAYED AT TIME OF REPAIR.

It would seem to me that if injector problems arise with the LLY that GM would not have a choice but to do the same for the LLY. Here's hoping http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Let me get this straight. My 2003 with 17K now has a 7 year 200K warranty on the injectors? Or does that mean if my original injectors are replaced, the NEW set has 200K 7 years?

JUST GOT SOME MORE INFO, IT DOSE COVER CANADA AND THERE IS A REIMBUREMENT FOR BOTH US & CANADA. IF YOU HAD THEM REPLACED AND YOU PAID FOR THE REPAIR YOU MUST SUBMIT THE TOTAL CLAIM TO CUSTMER ASSISTANCE CENTER NOT THE DEALERS AND MUST BE SUBMITTED BY MAY30 2005 FOR CANADA ONLY REPAIRS MUST HAVE OCCURED WITHIN THE 7 YEARS OF THE DATE THE TRUCK WAS ORIGINALLY PLACED IN SERVICED OR 320,000 KM, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. YOU MUST SHOW PROOF OF OWNERSHIP AT TIME OF REPAIR. AND ORIGNAL PAID RECEIPT SHOWING THE AMOUNT PAYED AT TIME OF REPAIR.





You just made me feel a hole lot better about keeping my 02. Is there a bulliton or anything I can use to prove this to my dealer if he dosen't know about it? Mabey I won't have to swich to another brand of problems.


Cheers


Bear

I DYI'ed my injectors, I wonder if GM will reimburse me?

Might get them to spring for the price of the injectors.

I just read the official document on GM Dealerworld, which is GM's portal for dealers, and this warranty applies to about 159,000 01 and 02 only LB7 engines They will be sending out a letter to customers within the certain VIN ranges. It does not cover 2003 or 2004 models with LB7 motors at all which stinks, but who knows, that could change to. If you want more info, PM me and I can forward the doc to you. They just released this document today. VIN's will not be posted on GMVIS either.

I wonder what is different between the 01/02s and 03/early04, that wouldnt cause them to cover those to....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

that sucks cause my 03 is getting new injectors right now. Hopefully gm will extened it to all trucks which have a chance of injector problems. But it is good news that Gm is finally stepping up and helping to take care of the problem.

Supposedly they changed the injector design sometime in the mid-2002 model year. The 2001-2002 injectors are maybe more susceptible to failure. Also, GM now has more historical repair data to indicate they have a problem that needs to be dealt with on the 2001-2002 trucks. If 2003-2004 have similar problems in the years ahead, I would expect them to offer the same warranty extension.


Pure speculation of course. Lets see what the actual wording of the document indicates.Edited by: OC_DMAX

Well I felt better for a little while. I guess my 2003 and me will just have to hope for the best. Of course if the 2003's are not a problem then so be it but i have heard a few to many stories for me to believe that. I bet as we get more miles on them we will get added to the warranty. Hey all of you guys running the extra filteration. Take it off and run up the numbers injector failures if you drive a 2003 or 2004 http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I have a 2001, does this mean that GM will change my injectors even though I am not presently haveing a problem?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif It has 153000 on it and runs GREAT! 18.4 mpg avg. highway.

I doubt they will "fix" something if it isn't "broken" Just pray that they go before you hit 200khttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

GENERAL MOTORS SPECIAL POLICY #04039

Listed below are some anticipated questions and answers to assist in responding to customer inquires.

Q1: What is the condition that prompted a Special Policy?
A1: 2001-2002 model year Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra vehicles, equipped with a 6.6L Duramax diesel (RPO LB7) engine, may experience vehicle service engine soon (SES) light illumination, low engine power, hard start, and/or fuel in crankcase, requiring injector replacement, as a result of high fuel return flow rates due to fuel injector body cracks or ball seat erosion.

Q2: What might occur as a result of this condition?
A2: Cracks to the fuel injector body or ball seat erosion may exist if the fuel return rate is high. Ball seat erosion is the result of small particles of contamination present in some fuels.

Q3: What is a "high fuel return flow?"
A3: The Duramax diesel utilizes a common rail fuel injection system, which incorporates fuel re-circulation provisions. A fuel return system normally returns unused fuel from the injectors to the fuel tank. Dealer technical diagnosis procedures include measuring the flow of fuel through the return system, with a specified maximum acceptable flow rate.

Q4: How would a vehicle owner realize the condition exits?
A4: If a customer experiences this issue, their vehicle would display some of the following symptoms: service engine soon light illumination, low power, hard start, and/or fuel in the crank case.

Q5: What can customers do to prevent this issue?
A5: This issue will not occur on all engines. If they experience the previously mentioned symptoms, they should take their vehicle to the dealership for service.

Q6: How is the issue resolved?
A6: If the customer experiences this issue, the dealership will make all necessary repairs to the engine. Dealers have been advised by a technical service bulletin to replace all eight injectors in the event of high fuel return flow diagnosis. This is being done to assure that all injectors prone to body cracks are replaced.

Q7: What is this special policy or warranty?
A7: The special policy is a 7-year/200,000 mile warranty on 2001 and 2002 MY Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks equipped with Duramax engines, covering the repairs of a high fuel return flow diagnosis.

Q8: Is this special policy related to safety concerns?
A8: This is not a safety issue.

Q9: What is the standard Duramax warranty?
A9: There is a 5-year, 100,000-mile powertrain warranty on Duramax 6.6L V-8 diesel engines.

Q10: Does this policy include 2003 MY vehicles with the Duramax, RPO LB7?
A10: No.

Q11: What happens to a customer with a 2003 vehicle that experiences this problem?
A11: <FONT face=Arial siz

Guess supplemental filtering takes care of the "ball seat erosion" issue. That call was right by George Morrison about 2 years ago now.


Not sure what we could do about "cracks to the fuel injector bodies". Probably not much. Design defect in my book. Looks like GM agrees also.Edited by: OC_DMAX

well that sucks..doesnt apply to 2003 model years

I bought a 01 last summer with 110K miles on it, so Im second owner. Will I be covered on this special policy! I know Im in their computer because I got a letter from them about the tail gate cable problem ! If I had bought at say 75K I would have the remainder of the warranty period, so Im thinking I will be covered on this. Does anyone know ? Thanks ! Dan

Dan,


the document doesn't say anything about being the original owner and since the standard warranties are transferrable we are good to go!


Thats my take on it and I'm a 2nd owner as well.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Blake

Hmmmm I never even received the tailgate strap recall letter,I must be out of the loop ...








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

03's not included that's B.S. I'm sure they'll be added in time.

Hmmmm I never even received the tailgate strap recall letter,I must be out of the loop ...








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





I'll send you my new cables when I get them Mac.


As for me, my truck is still in the shop but hasnt been looked at as of yet(hopefully today). At least GM is paying for me to drive around in a 04 Dodge Crew Cabhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif.


I'd like to know if you do get an injector replacement on an 03 if it'll give me the 200k/7yr warranty.

Hmmmm I never even received the tailgate strap recall letter,I must be out of the loop ...








Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif








Neither did I, did they cover '04s with the cable recall?

For those that have a 2003 model truck, I think the key in the GM question and answer document posted by GMCSID is in the following statement:


Q11: What happens to a customer with a 2003 vehicle that experiences this problem?
A11: If the customer is within their 5-year/100,000-mile warranty, it will be covered. If the customer is out of warranty, and it is identified as the same issue, we will work with the customer on an individual basis to ensure their satisfaction





The door has not been completely shut by GM. For those on this forum that know the issues, you will need to work with GM to get the extended coverage. Looks like more of a variable.


Personally, I am a little disappointed in the time limit of 7 years.

7yr, 200,000 miles!


Curiously small particles are blamed for eroding the ball seat:






Q2: What might occur as a result of this condition?
A2: Cracks to the fuel injector body or ball seat erosion may exist if the fuel return rate is high. Ball seat erosion is the result of small particles of contamination present in some fuels.











Who was it that told us we should clean up our fuel, and inspired me to build the Mega kit?





I know there were some polls and such about injector failures using additives and filtration, BUT without separating the cracks from the washouts...

George Morrison, as has already been mentioned on the first page of the thread.

Like I indicated on the first page, we know how to reduce the ball seat erosion effect. Reduce the contamination in the fuel. Well documented in varioius trade studies by the SAE.


Now, what about those "cracked injector bodies". Anybody know what is causing this to occur? ( a guess would be thermal and/or mechanical stresses outside the design envelope? Or possibly a material process / selection problem? Both would be considered design issues in my book.)

Is there a difference in the injectors after the 2002 models and before the LLY models ? Besides not being included in this 'special policy' ?


If not, they should be included, eventually. Right ? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


"we will work with the customer on an individual basis to ensure their satisfaction" I wish I knew what this really meant !

Kudos to GM for this policy!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif I must say, after my last 13 month nightmare with Ford Motor Co. customer service, this news is very good indeed. I figured GM would stand behind this product, glad to see it happening. Hopefully it will extend to the 03 and 04 Lb7's as the situation warrants. I'm glad to be back with the General.

Yee haw, here's to hoping the early Dmax's just went up in value! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I feel bad for anyone that recently sold a Dmax based on the 100k injector warranty.

Ya'll are funny...


Everyone laughed and pointed at me with my Early '01 Dmax because of all the injector problems. They all have Later models with different injectors so not many problems for them. Then GM puts out the new motor for the '04's and I start to lose faith. Now that GM finally issues a real band-aid to make me feel better and want to keep my '01 - everybody wants the same treatment! "I wanna be like Ski"


Are there many documented cases of injector failures in an '03 or '04 LB7 with the upgraded injectors? We all know there are a bunch of bad ones in all the '01's and most of the '02's. I recall discussion of a different injector in late '02, but don't remember exactly how long ago that was... By all means, if you have injector problems with a newer truck then read A11.


If you don't have a problem, don't ask for the fix! R &amp; D is not free, and you can be sure GM will just pass the cost on to the consumer - that's You and Me! Neither is insurance a freebie, which is what an extended warranty really is.


I'm tempted to burn a few tanks of the worst fuel I can find, break my injectors now - and get the free replacements before they run out or dedicate them to engines that don't really need them. At 80,000 miles I was skating on thin ice, but now - I can relax, safe in the comfort of knowing that I, too, own a good truck http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I think CaptainMal just crapped his pants.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Hey, all. If GM is standing behind the 01, 02's, they will stand behind 03, and 04's. They pretty well have to. MAY just need a few (or lots of injector problems) to realise there is still a problem. Maybe Bosch is taking care of the warranty issues? I have alot more faith in my truck. Compared to what I have gotten out of Ford (for my wife's POS Escape) GM is working to keep my business.

it is already stated that if there are problems with your 03-04 LB7 then you will be dealt with on an individual basis. so that means just make them give it to you. i bet in a year or so, they will include the newer trucks, they just need more data to see if it is worth it.

BIG thumbs up for GM for this program. 7 year 200K is def HUGE.

that sucks cause my 03 is getting new injectors right now. Hopefully gm will extened it to all trucks which have a chance of injector problems. But it is good news that Gm is finally stepping up and helping to take care of the problem.


How many miles are on your '03? I have an '03 with 18k and frankly wouldn't know if my injectors were bad even if the engine stopped running! I'm hoping that you have something like 100k on yours and poured beach sand into the tank to have to get them replaced so soon...

Hmmmm I never even received the tailgate strap recall letter,I must be out of the loop ...





I got the recall letter, haven't got them replaced yet, and if you have your truck registered on www.mygmlink.com (http://www.mygmlink.com), they don't show any recalls at all....

I have a 2001, does this mean that GM will change my injectors even though I am not presently haveing a problem?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif It has 153000 on it and runs GREAT! 18.4 mpg avg. highway.


Don't worry about it if your not having problems, I sure would not want anyone tearing into my engine unless they have to.

AT THE DEALER OUR GM REP. DROPPED THE NEW INJ. WARRANTY 7YRS. 200,000 MILE WARRANTY. SO DONT BE AFRAID TO BUY USED BOYS.


Thanks for giving the DieselPlace this Exclusive information info .... Thanks Sid also for the Tech info ...


Excellent to have members on-board such as yourselves ...


Seems your news is spreading out on the forums and I thought that it would be great if those taking would give the "Originators" and the "source" the DieselPlace where this info came from some recognition ..


It would only be right ...





Thanks

Just another example showing this site is a forum for those seeking Dmax information. Wonder if there are still other Dmax sites out there?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Not any that are worth a sh*t! Except of course Eric'shttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Well Hot Diggidy Dog, Nice of Gm to step up and make this right. This furthers my thought I will always buy GM. Although I am at the 88K mil mark and have yet to have a problem, knowing I went from having only 12K miles and 1.5 years left on my warranty to 112K miles and 3.5 yearshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


I have always used FFFP and at about 70K miles added the Nicktane kit. So owning an '01 still seems to be the good deal especially when the prices go up and up and people feel the way out was to buy newer...Insult to injury if you ask me......


STAND UP MOVE GM!!!!!!


Jeff

Hmmmmmmmm 03 not in the click, I can see a lot of diesel in my crankcase and complain of no power at say 90k while on a trip, say through Mich. Always wanted to meet Erick


Uni Cop

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I got the recall letter, haven't got them replaced yet, and if you have your truck registered on www.mygmlink.com (http://www.mygmlink.com), they don't show any recalls at all....








It's not a recall, it's a Special Policy Bulletin. You only get injectors IF they go bad and meet the criteria.





Giving credit where due, I seem to recall making a post some time ago eluding to this pending policy. Credit goes to one person:


Dmaxallitech! Eric had the inside track on this over a month ago as I recall. Problem is, it cannot be leaked until it becomes official. I have a copy of this bulletin and the associated PI, but out of respect for my source (not Eric in this case) do not post the info until it becomes official...Edited by: Kennedy

Even though I have an '03 this makes me breath a sigh a relief.


I wonder if there is a way to send a letter to GM of recognition/appreciation of good service from the Diesel Place membership.

Well I guess someone stole your thunder ....http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


That's the first I heard of Injector warranty policy change ... I'm aware it isn't a recall ....





But I thought the TAILGATE STRAPS were a recall ....?? Not to take awy from this informative thread ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifEdited by: Mackin

Mac,


I received a letter from GM advising of the tailgate strap issue. It did not say bring the truck in. It was titled "Safety Recall Notice". It indicated that I would receive another letter later in the summer telling me to bring the truck in. I suspect they have to make millions of these new straps. So that will take a while. The letter was more advisory than anything else. Yours was maybe lost in the mail system.


On edit: the envelope was dated April 22, 2004Edited by: OC_DMAX

Thanks





A recall it is .... I have to call my dealer and get some completed service orders I never received ....


They never brought it up last time it was in so that tells me they didn't run my VIN ... My VRStraps are still intact also ...I would had a major WTF if they were gone ...


I will bring it up when I call as I'll take the free ones nontheless ... I'm gonna ask them about the Injector warranty and see if there up to date along with the change all 8 policy ... Most of the time we get the info first ,aint that a shocker ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif I just broke out of the 36 month warrenty, and am still under the 36,000 mi - 5yr 100,000 mi . Now the issue of 2 more years and 100,000 more miles on my 01 makes me even http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif more.

This is great news. A big thumbs up to GM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I think CaptainMal just crapped his pants.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


now that's funny........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Blink


He so full of it he probably couldn't hold it.


Uni Cop

Giving credit where due, I seem to recall making a post some time ago eluding to this pending policy. Credit goes to one person:


Dmaxallitech! Eric had the inside track on this over a month ago as I recall.


I can't give credit for hints of possible changes. Beside that, wasn't there a report that was being promised? I don't recall ever seeing it.

Credit goes to RocketsDMAX and GMCSID for posting this information. Thanks guys, it is appreciated.

As a new member to this forum, all I can say is WOO! about the information in this post. Have been on several times a day following the latest posts. Thanks to all. Great JOB!

Yeeeeehaw!





Made my day!

Maybe because of people like Captain Mal, is why GM came out with the warranty. Loosing business to the other guys??? If I had a problem, and GM didn't stand behind it.....

Didn't Hoot just switch sides based on injector fears?

Yeah Hoot, what happened with your truck after you traded it in?

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"out of warranty injectors pay good http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif.. "


So if u guys do it in 4 hours are u only charging the customer that or charging by 'book' time?

So if u guys do it in 4 hours are u only charging the customer that or charging by 'book' time?


you better believe it.


I dont offer any breaks. I am on flat rate and I make my money be being proficient. In a case of injectors.... I am ~300% efficent

Beside that, wasn't there a report that was being promised? I don't recall ever seeing it.


I dont ever recall anybody making any such promises..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


I did tell a few people what I heard the night after said meeting, but at this point, the info dont matter anymore.


Edited by: dmaxalliTech

The stuff you can break flat rate on (by being efficient and organized) off sets all the stuff where you take a beating. Does GM have a lower pay for the techs than customer pay? When I worked for the M-B dealer, it was the same rate, and flat rate times were very generous - you could actually make a pretty good living. I wonder what it is like now!


And Eric - wrenching is still a lot better than driving a truck!

I dont ever recall anybody making any such promises..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


I did tell a few people what I heard the night after said meeting, but at this point, the info dont matter anymore.





Let me refresh your memory. Almost halfway down this following thread you state, "I will be preparing a post/thread outlining all of the discussion from the nearly 2 hour long meeting. There is alot of info that most of you will be suprised to hear."


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9251&amp;KW=injector

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Great big sigh of relief here. I think the general must be listening and cares about our concerns.Edited by: tbrowne

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifoh well, still no mention of a 'promise'


do you think it would make a difference in any thing if you knew what it was now? If so, I will try and refresh my memory of what all was discussed and send it to ya. I may even be able to get the pics that he showed too

Eric,


Any talk of explicitly adding 03's to the list or are they waiting to see if the new injectors solve the majority of the warranty claims?

Jim from Idaho,
You almost slipped in unnoticed!! WELCOME ABOARD http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif You are absolutely right about this site...Info up the ying-yang. So tighten your shorts and hang on. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif Don't be afraid to ask.


Dave

I have trouble sitting 'cause of that horseshoe......


My injector problem happened just as the TSB to replace all 8 came out. So I've got 8 new ones plus a 200,000 mile warranty.


I'm currently run about 6-700 miles a week, a situation that will go on for another year to 18 months. I can confidently run the wheels off this truck, and replace it with the next generation when it comes out.


I'm merely happy at this point, if they could come up with a permanent fix for the steering shaft rattle I'd be positively euphoric!

Eric,


Any talk of explicitly adding 03's to the list or are they waiting to see if the new injectors solve the majority of the warranty claims?


GM feels that they running changes to the injectors will eliminate a great deal of the problems. I dont see 03's being s big a deal as the earlier trucks.... but time will tell. I dont see a problem getting assistance over the 100k mark on an 03 providing maint can be proven

The important thing is we now know details that are very rewarding to those of us who stuck it out. I'm sure several other folks would have made different decisions that could have saved them big $$ had they known anything some months ago.

GENERAL MOTORS SPECIAL POLICY #04039

Listed below are some anticipated questions and answers to assist in responding to customer inquires.


Q9: What is the standard Duramax warranty?
A9: There is a 5-year, 100,000-mile powertrain warranty on Duramax 6.6L V-8 diesel engines.






Is this an error, or do I just not understand what a powertrain is? Doesn't the powertrain include the trasmission and rearend? I know these are not warrantied for 100k.

I'm sure several other folks would have made different decisions that could have saved them big $$ had they known anything some months ago.


I agree. I think those that did get out of pocket expenses should round up reciepts and get some of there money back..

Didn't Hoot just switch sides based on injector fears?

Partially. If I still had the truck it surely would make me "feel" better but I certainly wouldn't look forward to the event. Especially if I was on my way or back from Muncie.

Camstyn... I have no idea where my GMC is. Broker has all that info.

I certainly hope I get a letter from GM stating that my truck fits the VIN range.

Didn't Hoot just switch sides based on injector fears?




Partially. If I still had the truck it surely would make me "feel" better but I certainly wouldn't look forward to the event. Especially if I was on my way or back from Muncie.

Camstyn... I have no idea where my GMC is. Broker has all that info.


Can happen to any brand. A friend just had his injector pump go out on his 04 Cummins. Caused by lift pump failure. He was in the middle of nowhere on I-10. We also have a couple of operators that had to bring in their 6.0 PSD's to deal with the lopey idle. These are only 6 mos. old. No vehicle of any brand (truck or car) is exempt. It's at least good to know that if something should happen it won't come out of pocket untill after 200K.


I still don't feel that DMAX injector issues are so common that you would have to look forward to the event. If anything they are rare. Ford and Dodge is in no better shape as their new fuel systems are not trouble free and proven for long term reliability.

I dont see a problem getting assistance over the 100k mark on an 03 providing maint can be proven


Which brings up the question, What proves maintenance?
Simply a log? A log and reciepts? A pile of use parts?
Just how picky are dealers/reps on maintenance proof?

Thanks!

Jim

I certainly hope I get a letter from GM stating that my truck fits the VIN range.


An ideal situation would be to have one of the very late 02 build AND a letter for just in case. My truck was built late Apr 02 and hope not to have injector issues ~ doing what I can to forestall any ~ but 7yr 200K miles sounds comforting.

"out of warranty injectors pay good http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif.. "


So if u guys do it in 4 hours are u only charging the customer that or charging by 'book' time?


Heck yeah I charge book time thats what pays the bills ..being efficient. Beating the time is what its all about..

My door jamb says January 27th........


Frame is January 16th.........


So I fall around the changeover............


Hopefully I get the benifit of a 7yr/200K..........


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jholly, If your a diy'er, then the best you can do is provide reciepts for parts purchased, a simple log woudnt hurt but shouldnt be needed. If they should ask for proof of maint, then parts reciepts should be ample enough

Thanks for the reply Eric. Early enough that saving receipts will not be an issue. I also keep a log because with a one bit memory I always have to forget something to remember something newhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Jim

I have a 2002 2500 HD D/A with 36,500 miles. I haven't had any problems except for the cracked down pipe bracket.


I change my fuel filter every 10K. I was just about to buy a Racor Pre-filter from that Amsoil guy. I guess I shouldn't do that now, should I?

My door jamb says January 27th........


Frame is January 16th.........


So I fall around the changeover............


Hopefully I get the benifit of a 7yr/200K..........


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Since we are still seeing failures in 2003 and 2004 production models, it is doubtful that there is any distinctive cutoff except for the bulletin coverage.

Are those 03/04 injtr failures you cited due to cracked body also?

nobody really knows what the failure are as we have no way of analyzing them with out spending some $$


I suspect that they are not a result of cracked body's as they were supposed to be corrected earlier on.

Here is a copy of the complete Bulletin 0439. It lists which VIN #'s are affected so you can see if you are suspect. i'm listed in the range!


Please give thanks to our resident GM techs for this info!


04039_Bulletin.pdf (http://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/04039_Bulletin.pdf)

Diesel Power


Your link to the pdf file does not work for me. How do I open it?


Thanks

Nick,


Thanks for the bulletin file. Since my '02 was built in October, '01 I suspect it is on "the list". By the way, I could open it with no problem.





Alan





TC Power - trying right clicking and "save target as" to your desktop. You'll need Adobe Acrobat installed on your computer to read the document.Edited by: OC_DMAX

I tried saving it as you mentioned OC_DMAX but I get an error message saying "there was an error opening this document.Viewer cannot decrypt this document" ??? Thanks anyway, I'll have to try opening it using the wife's puter.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: TC Dmax

As OC_DMAX correctly stated, you just need to install that lumbering giant of a document viewing program Adobe Acrobat. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Mine makes the cut as well. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif


I am in the vin#..........F178*** range for a 2002 Sierra with a build date of 01/27/02.


Thanks to the Tech's and Nick for posting this info. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif





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Mine makes the cut as well. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif


I am in the vin#..........F178*** range for a 2002 Sierra with a build date of 01/27/02.


Thanks to the Tech's and Nick for posting this info. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif





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I am in with a build date of 6/02 and F243*** range. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Looks like I was real close with only 4*** remaining.


Another thanks to Nick and the Techs for the info. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif


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Thanks again RocketsDmax ,Sid and Nick ....





That is super valuable info for US members ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

Great info, thanks guys! As an early '01 owner with 83,000 on the clock I was getting a little worried. I'm also in the first VIN range on the bulletin!

Didn't Hoot just switch sides based on injector fears?




Partially. If I still had the truck it surely would make me "feel" better but I certainly wouldn't look forward to the event. Especially if I was on my way or back from Muncie.

Camstyn... I have no idea where my GMC is. Broker has all that info.


Can happen to any brand. A friend just had his injector pump go out on his 04 Cummins. Caused by lift pump failure. He was in the middle of nowhere on I-10. We also have a couple of operators that had to bring in their 6.0 PSD's to deal with the lopey idle. These are only 6 mos. old. No vehicle of any brand (truck or car) is exempt. It's at least good to know that if something should happen it won't come out of pocket untill after 200K.


I still don't feel that DMAX injector issues are so common that you would have to look forward to the event. If anything they are rare. Ford and Dodge is in no better shape as their new fuel systems are not trouble free and proven for long term reliability.





2nd gen Cummins had issues with lift pumps going bad and taking out the injector pump.

The new common rial engines are totally different animals. I don't think a lift pump failure will take out the CP3 pump.... remember it would be the same as a clogged filter on a Dmax. Same high pressure pump.

A huge thanks to the GREAT techs on this site who go out of their way to help us out by furnishing all the information rather than just a number as some others choose to do on other sites. You guys are absolutely a lifesaver. I am in those vin #'s and just had all 8 replaced. GMC service manager said no such thing as extended warranty after letting my truck sit undiagnosed for 6 days. All this was while I was asking their Fleet man to help me order new larger truck. Everybodies lack of help and their indifference at that GMC dealership sent me straight to Chevy.

A huge thanks to the GREAT techs on this site who go out of their way to help us out by furnishing all the information rather than just a number as some others choose to do on other sites. You guys are absolutely a lifesaver. I am in those vin #'s and just had all 8 replaced. GMC service manager said no such thing as extended warranty after letting my truck sit undiagnosed for 6 days. All this was while I was asking their Fleet man to help me order new larger truck. Everybodies lack of help and their indifference at that GMC dealership sent me straight to Chevy.


If you care to share the GMC dealership name, you can help make sure others on this site don't make the mistake of doing business with them in the future.

Didn't Hoot just switch sides based on injector fears?





Partially. If I still had the truck it surely would make me "feel" better but I certainly wouldn't look forward to the event. Especially if I was on my way or back from Muncie.

Camstyn... I have no idea where my GMC is. Broker has all that info.









Can happen to any brand. A friend just had his injector pump go out on his 04 Cummins. Caused by lift pump failure. He was in the middle of nowhere on I-10. We also have a couple of operators that had to bring in their 6.0 PSD's to deal with the lopey idle. These are only 6 mos. old. No vehicle of any brand (truck or car) is exempt. It's at least good to know that if something should happen it won't come out of pocket untill after 200K.



I still don't feel that DMAX injector issues are so common that you would have to look forward to the event. If anything they are rare. Ford and Dodge is in no better shape as their new fuel systems are not trouble free and proven for long term reliability.









2nd gen Cummins had issues with lift pumps going bad and taking out the injector pump.

The new common rial engines are totally different animals. I don't think a lift pump failure will take out the CP3 pump.... remember it would be the same as a clogged filter on a Dmax. Same high pressure pump.


Actually I can't see it happening either. It should stall the engine from lack of fuel if anything. Unless if it was restricted over a long time frame and cavitating the pump as well. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

I'm puzzled, http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif According to the standard VIN structures adpoted in 1981 the first 3 digits identify the country of origin, manufacturerand make. one, 1, =USA, G=GM, T=GMC Truck Div. As stated in the bulletin VIN range (1E100021-1E346642 and 1F100010-1F213864, my '01 GMC VIN# 1GTHK*********** does'nt fall within.


What gives? Are there missing digits?


O.K. I think I figured it out. 1=USA, 2-CAN. then skip 9-digits, E and F=assembly plant, then the production number. I guess these dealers speak in abreviations. Another question, I did'nt know there were 2 assembly plants, are there? Must be if they use E, And F numbers. BTW mine falls within range. I lookforward to 200k+ trouble free miles.





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The numbers in the bulletin are the eight right most digits in the VIN.

Thanx OC-DMAX. I work with VIN #'s all day and always read them left to right.


Thanks, Again,


txguppyEdited by: txguppy

This is great news for me. I was considering a CTD because of the injector issues, even though their Auto Trans does not have grade braking, it's not a crew cab, and the SWB is 3 '' shorter than GM or Ford. I also like the animnities on the GM better. Now, thanks to this warranty extension, I can relax and enjoy what I bought this pick up for.


Regards,


Bill

You guys may not like me for saying this but since when is breakdowns OK just because GM might pay for it? Sure it's good knowing they extended the coverage. GM did the same with the 6.5TD but after it was too late.

We expect the premier diesel to be premier, not fixed for free. I don't buy PepBoys warranteed for life alternators and starters because I don't like replacing them often.

Hoot,


"You may not like me for saying this". It really doesn't matter to me much what you say. You'll have a different opinion next week anyway.


Now that you have the premier diesel, and it's not expected to break down, why don't you tell Dodge that you don't need that 7 year warranty you've been bragging about.


You might also want wait a while before you get too comfortable with the injectors on the CTD. It's now a similar system designed and manufactured by the same company.


Regards,


Bill

And I made sure and will continue to try and not brag that what I have is premier. It's not, it's different. I bragged to no end about my Dmax. I still do only with reservation now.

This site is premier in that it lets me say what I want without the admin coming down on me. As far as my opinion is concerned... weekly is a bit frequent. I've been a GM owner for a very long time. Still have one.

No matter what you think about me doesn't change facts of GM and diesels.... questionable. Still questionable. The Allison is a gem for sure. I think they have the warranty backwards.

No matter what you think about me doesn't change facts of GM and diesels.... questionable. Still questionable. The Allison is a gem for sure. I think they have the warranty backwards.


Hi Hoot. Used you great article last year to flush my transmission.


I just don't see it. That is GM's duramax (maybe you were referring to another diesel) being questionable. I have asked an awful lot of strangers at gas stations and other places who were driving duramaxes and haven't spoken with anyone yet who has had an injector replaced (including me). But, I do know there are some out there. There seems to be quite a few who post here who have had injector problems, but after all, I believe this is where they will gather to discuss their common problem. Just my thoughts.


But, to tell you the truth, I do feel much better now knowing that I have a 200k warranty on the injectors.

GM certainly has made the bold move of placing the warranty behind them (injectors). And going retroactive is a big plus towards some who paid thousands out of pocket. Now GM has the cost aimed directly at them. That is a self inflicted kick in the butt to fix the problem. Somebody seems to have grabbed the bull by the horns from a marketing standpoint. Lets hope they don't lose their donkey in the mean time.


Edited by: hoot

You guys may not like me for saying this but since when is breakdowns OK just because GM might pay for it? Sure it's good knowing they extended the coverage. GM did the same with the 6.5TD but after it was too late.

We expect the premier diesel to be premier, not fixed for free. I don't buy PepBoys warranteed for life alternators and starters because I don't like replacing them often.





I agree with you hoot Breakdowns cost money sometimes, even if the repairs are free.

does anyone have an 03 even close to 100k?........my 02 has 87k........I would not worry until you get a little closer.......needless to say the 100k mark will hit me around September

You guys may not like me for saying this but since when is breakdowns OK just because GM might pay for it? Sure it's good knowing they extended the coverage. GM did the same with the 6.5TD but after it was too late.

We expect the premier diesel to be premier, not fixed for free. I don't buy PepBoys warranteed for life alternators and starters because I don't like replacing them often.





I agree with you hoot Breakdowns cost money sometimes, even if the repairs are free.





Cummins has the same injection system as the DMAX. It is not proven by any means. The reputation of Cummins means nothing in regards to the Bosch HPCR ststem. A reputation is only good untill the first screw up. All of these trucks have their pros and cons. People have the problem. I think what we have here is one person trying to justify a brand change and another that likes to stir the pot.


No one knows for sure what the future holds for the HPCR system. This we do know for sure.... Real facts!


GM warranty = 200,000 miles.


Dodge warranty = 100,000 miles


For cummingetsome- Yes there are sometimes other cost involved but GM stepped up to the plate to cover repair/towing and possibly other associated costs. You get the whole chalupa.

a bear,

This isn't a Cummins -vs- Dmax topic. It's about the Warranty GM issued on older Dmaxes.

Does the 04 Dmax come with 200,000 mile injector warranty?

Yes HPCR is still in beta test by us suckers.

Hoot why ask a question you already know the answer to unless you're just trying to stir the pot?


Does the 04 Cummins come with 200,000 mile injector warranty?


Did Dodge ever do anything like this with their lift pumps on 98-02 24valvers? How about their automatic transmissions?

Stop it Camstyn..... you're pushing my buttons http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

No neither comes with a 200,000 mile injector warranty.

I didn't start this brand war in this topic. If I didn't have a Dodge in my sig nobody would have went there.

You guys may not like me for saying this but since when is breakdowns OK just because GM might pay for it? Sure it's good knowing they extended the coverage. GM did the same with the 6.5TD but after it was too late.

We expect the premier diesel to be premier, not fixed for free. I don't buy PepBoys warranteed for life alternators and starters because I don't like replacing them often.


Hoot,


list me some recorded breakdowns other than the fuel system which also resides under your hood. Other than the fuel system the DMAX is pretty much bullet proof. Some others brands have issues beyond having the same fuel system. Like putting the ponies to the ground for example. Between the two GM sites there are about 14000 members and maybe 15-20 that reported experiencing injectior problems. Hell even 140 would be less than 1%. You can do the math. Add a 200K warranty and now you have something that is unbeatable.Edited by: a bear

Yep thats the facts a bear!


Duramax is better than the Dodge.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Hoots just pissed cause he got rid of it to soon and he's having trouble hearing with the earplugs in.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Blake

GM knows that the Duramax is a do or die for them in the Diesel market. And they have stepped up to the plate and hit a grand slam home run. (The Cummins guy may not like it, but that is the way it is) Does the 04 Duramax have the 200,000 mile injector warranty you ask, The answer right now is no, But if you could read, you would see that GM has already stated that they will work with owners and deal with each truck on a case by case. So for the most part it looks as though the 04 Duramax will be taken care of for the injector issues.

Would you guys stop the Cummins kicking.... it's me hoot remember? I had two 6.5TD's. The first one I had for only a year. No problems. The second one I had for three years and 80,000 miles. The FSD (Fuel Driver) went at 50,000 miles and was replaced under warranty. I was very happy with that truck. Plenty of pep and well built. I was a lucky one. There were alot of issues with the 6.5TD especially in 1994 when they all got new pumps three times over.

Watched and preached along with all the Dmax hype. GM better get the frikin diesel right this time we ALL were thinking.

OK they may have hit a home run but it looks like they need instant replay. For GM to put out a 200,000 mile warranty is great. Will they tell you why? Will someone give us the stats? NO WAY... that's secret info even Bigley ain't privey to http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif But my point is these companies are so arrogant about their admission of failure that for them to do what GM is doing is a small window into the breadth of the problem. If it was not significant and causing a real stir... this warranty extension would not be.

The problem is what they keep doing to their reputation. At least they're doing something here to protect it but getting injectors replaced for free with the LLY is a new ballgame. That new turbo hates diluted fuel. New injectors should be shipped with a turbo.

Looks like you guys ar poking at me to see if I'm still alive?Edited by: hoot

I was not bashing the dmax Someone posted that "captain mel crapped his pants" when he heard the new warranty but In his work down time is money also. Yes it can happen to the dodge I never said it wouldn't but just cause you have a warranty to 200,000 miles on injectors doesn't mean you have a kill all engine and you are home free. He was problems with other parts of the truck as well. I have never seen a worse forum than this one if you post anything that is not praiseing GM you get jumped on. I know it is a gm forum but I was not bashing gm just stateing a fact BREAK DOWNS CAN COST MORE THAN JUST THE COST OF REPAIR.

cumminsgetsome,

All brand based forums are like this. GM guys are the underdogshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif and I must say are the most polite of the three. Ford world is unbelievably stuck up and Dodge guys are funny and obnoxious. GM people are the best!

My VIN is in the list....this is a relief should I ever have a problem w/ those injectors. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Evry make of vehicle has it's problems...ours just happens to be the injectors. Oh well....


I for one am glad GM did the right thing for once.


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif


on edit: I erased the rest for the sake of the thread.Edited by: TheBac

Well most of the GM guys are polite http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Edited by: hoot

Well put Tom!


As for hoot, you make a comment, then wonder why someone or many someones would attack you for it. You are and always have been a hypocrite to pretty much everyone that drives any brand that is not your flavor of the day.


I do sometimes enjoy reading the $hit you stir up, but man you are boring at times.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


And cumminsgetsome, or cumminapartagain or what ever you user name is. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif If you can not handle being bashed on a GM diesel forum, then move on to a forum that feeds you candy and ice cream.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


No one was crying about what you wrote.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

OK i got three guys on me whos next... let it rip


hdmax.... over the last 12 years I've been almost GM exclusive. People get real personal when truth be told. Boring to me is reading how great something is and when somebody lets out a real observation they get hammered. It's standard practice on all the sites. That's boring. Imagine how BORING it would be if we all put our hands in the air and proclaimed how great our trucks are and anyone that opened thier mouth otherwise got snuffed.Edited by: hoot

Imagine how BORING it would be if we all put our hands in the air and proclaimed how great our trucks are and anyone that opened their mouth otherwise got snuffed.


I thought that was expected from me on this sitehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Sorry, if I was out of linehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


One thing I never do is brag that my brand is better then your brand or someone Else's brand. Because, like you, my next truck may be the other brand that I once bashed.


Look through all my post (If you would like and have the time) you will not find where I miss spell Ford, or Dodge, or Cummins, or Powerstroke. (At least not intentional) The reason is because I have respect for those other brands. And most of all, I know that any given day, my truck could die and never run again. I have seen that to many times with others vehicles.


I know I joke about Ford or Dodge on occasion, but it is all in fun.

hdmax.... I'm with you. Although my comments may look to be in bash mode, they are not. Just some thoughts after owning and watching GM for years. I'm sure I'll run into things with my new truck. Hopefully it won't require a teardown.Edited by: hoot

Hey Tom You shut the heck up I did not bash your dmax and there is also a dodge forum on this site and all you gm guys are over there bashing the dodge!! and hd dmax or dumb axe whatever your name is Sorry you made the wrong choice!!!! Edited by: cumminsgetsome

My injectors are covered also ~ why does that feel good?


Hoot - Don't feel bad. Remember what happened when PC posted about the Uni filter? You're not even there ~ yet. BTW haven't heard from him for awhile. Hope all is well.

PC is around posting awesome photographs of this great country.

cumminsgetsome, how did you know that's just what I was thinking.
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Fight Nice...........


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Fight Nice...........


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That all you got to say?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

A wan-a-be Crew cab. A tranny with a lit fuse. Low end torque when what is really needed is mid range torque. A frame that will twist simply from going through a ditch. Poor fuel mileage. 100K less warranty on the injectors. Peeling paint. Just to name a few.


Who made the wrong decision!!!! On the bright site all the sounds from it does keep the drivers awake and alert http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Hey Hoot, Why did they put dem xtra door handles on your extended cab truck. Spares I assume. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: a bear

Fight Nice...........



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That all you got to say?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I am supposed to be impartial http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif .


I could have said " Fight Nice Children "


Hey,


just trying to get my post count up........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

OK... now that we're all on the same page.....

Lot's of things happening this week and next with getogethers and events. Gives everybody a chance to forget the crap and just enjoy the trucks, BS and driving.

After all... driving these trucks is the biggest part of it!

just trying to get my post count up........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


You have a ways to go to catch hoothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

HDMax is right....


I have been meaning to ask this, how do you know your injectors are starting to act up, anyhow? Just someday your truck just stops, or what?


I do love this forum....


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif


on edit: I erased the rest because for the sake of the thread. Edited by: TheBac

Hey just when I was having fun we decide to put the BS to rest. Hey if I lost at least I went down swinging. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif Piece to all. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

just trying to get my post count up........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


You have a ways to go to catch hoothttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Just a stroke of the keys.............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


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Tom.... I'm not a moderator. Yea I'm going through an "adjustment" period. I'll settle down when the first part breaks.

OH, my bad. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif I thought you were. Heck, you post enough, and everybody talks like you are one. My apologies.


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

We should call the moderators in. This thread has been hi-jacked.

We should call the moderators in. This thread has been hi-jacked.


It has been hijacked.........


I could move all the non-related posts to a new off topic thread where this banter can be continued.........


I might just do that...........


I will see where this goes for now.........


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My apologies , Mr. Moderator. I really would like to know what the symptoms are of injectors starting to go bad, though.


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

Symptoms:



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Listed below are some anticipated questions and answers to assist in responding to customer inquires.

Q1: What is the condition that prompted a Special Policy?
A1: 2001-2002 model year Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra vehicles, equipped with a 6.6L Duramax diesel (RPO LB7) engine, may experience vehicle service engine soon (SES) light illumination, low engine power, hard start, and/or fuel in crankcase, requiring injector replacement, as a result of high fuel return flow rates due to fuel injector body cracks or ball seat erosion.

Q2: What might occur as a result of this condition?
A2: Cracks to the fuel injector body or ball seat erosion may exist if the fuel return rate is high. Ball seat erosion is the result of small particles of contamination present in some fuels.

Q3: What is a "high fuel return flow?"
A3: The Duramax diesel utilizes a common rail fuel injection system, which incorporates fuel re-circulation provisions. A fuel return system normally returns unused fuel from the injectors to the fuel tank. Dealer technical diagnosis procedures include measuring the flow of fuel through the return system, with a specified maximum acceptable flow rate.

Q4: How would a vehicle owner realize the condition exits?
A4: If a customer experiences this issue, their vehicle would display some of the following symptoms: service engine soon light illumination, low power, hard start, and/or fuel in the crank case.

Q5: What can customers do to prevent this issue?
A5: This issue will not occur on all engines. If they experience the previously mentioned symptoms, they should take their vehicle to the dealership for service.

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Yeah...I thought so...I had read that, but I thought there would be other driveability issues or other clues not listed.


So far, none of those problems. But then, I have a warranty. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Thanks. Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gifEdited by: TheBac

I just dropped my 01 off at Bill Heard Chevrolet in Scottsdale, AZ. I noticed fuel leaking on passenger side of cab. Service writer did not know nothing about this special policy. He asked where did you hear about this? I told him about this site. He brought the Service Mananger who had a copy of the special policy out to inspect my truck. I had taken off my juice before I went, yet the Service Mananger asked, Q " you have a chip" A Nope, "whats this probe for" A. Work In Progress, Q "you dont have an edge" A Nope. Q " what does this gray wire running through the firewall" A Its for my strobes that I have in my headlights and tail lights. "Well lets get it in the back and see where the fuel leak is coming from.
My writer told me that he was in a class the day that the Service Mananger told everyone about the special policy. So for now, we are waiting for the results of their findings.

I have a 02 Chevy Duramax with oil and fuel dripping from the entire undercarriage. Suspect the injectors. My dealer told me that as of today there is a 28 day backorder on the new injectors. Does GM have to provide me a vehicle for this time? Also, Since I dont know how long fuel has been in the crank case(at least 60 miles), what is the chances of bearing damage or turbo bearing damage due to fuel wash??

Most if not all dealers seem to be providing a loaner. May not be a great vehicle, but.....

Some of the techs on the forum believe that it is not a problem about having fuel in the crank case. Diesel fuel has better lubricating properties, than gas.

Do a "search" on injector failures.

Welcome to the site. Stick around after you get your truck fixed. Lots of good people and info.

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There are plenty of posts out there including durations on injector delivery. They should provide a rental, they did ask me if I needed one, I did not. Took almost 5 weeks for the parts. I drove mine a little over 100 miles with plenty of fuel coming out of the motor. Diesel lubricates. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif

Seems like when dealing with a dealer, you need lube.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif My truck has been at the dealer for 7 weeks today. They have 4 injectors. The other 4 have been coming in for 2 weeks.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif My truck has been at the dealer for 7 weeks today. They have 4 injectors. The other 4 have been coming in for 2 weeks.


Wow I think I would go into shock if I was without my truck that long. Might have to go get another one just to have a spare... I would not like that at all.. Good luck and I hope you get it back soon...