I am looking hard at getting EFI Live, I want to get it off of here, because of all the support that you guys have given me. Is there any differences amongst who sells and the price, or is it just who throws in different tunes, and what I prefer?

What is the cost of becoming a dealer? No one around here really know too much about it, and I know a lot of people that would be interested. Just thought I would ask some questions, and see what everyone thought.

Thanks again.

Here are the folks that I am aware of.

McRat
Trippin
Crankitupdiesel (Kyle or Matt)

All stand up gents that will be there when you need them.

If you want to be a reseller, contact Trippin at SoCalDiesel.com

I sell at MSRP, and only to racers/hobbyists, not to shops or businesses.

I include an unlocked tune, but not sure which one for August sales yet. Probably the MCR2, which is a racing tune.

Kennedy and Flashscan are also vendors who sell efilive.

Tony has his 'shine

I'm a Distributor and as such have resellers that I distibute to.

You too, can become a reseller with a purchase of 5 Personal or Commercial units.

Contact me for more details at 661-775-5620.

My retail prices are listed on my website.

I'm a Distributor and as such have resellers that I distibute to.

You too, can become a reseller with a purchase of 5 Personal or Commercial units.

Contact me for more details at 661-775-5620.

My retail prices are listed on my website.

can it be a mix & match of units?

can it be a mix & match of units?

A mix and match of Commercials and Personals, Yes.

Scan only,......... only counts as 1/3 of a unit. :D

Hmmm...a business doing what I like? I need a dyno!

Tony has his 'shine
But he doesn't sale EFIlive. He will refer everyone to Trippin. Tony sales a tune. From everything I have seen and read, it is a mighty fine race tune. For anyone that has NO intention of ever buying the EFIlive, then Tony's tune is a great choice. But if you want EFI, and want to build or modify your own tunes, then it is not a great choice. In which case, Trippin, (Guy Tripp) Pat, (McRat)or crank it up (Kyle Michael) are your very best choices.
Flashscan don't even recommend themselves if you live in North America.

So there you have it. These are your best choices!

I had every intention of buying from Guy until McRat started selling with a 500 rwhp tune thrown in. Sorry Guy!

I bought mine from Trippin.:cool:
mike

I'll also point out that Trippin (and myself) isn't just here because it's a fad, he's here to stay and will be here tomorrow...

I'll also point out that Trippin (and myself) isn't just here because it's a fad, he's here to stay and will be here tomorrow...
to me that sounds like a jab at McRat...:confused:

Says him. ;)

mcrat has a monopoly for those looking to buy the system. no one else offers a comparable tune without charging >$800 and having your ecm locked down. just my $.02

mcrat has a monopoly for those looking to buy the system. no one else offers a comparable tune without charging >$800 and having your ecm locked down. just my $.02
DING! we have a winner! :)

McRat has done the consumer a huge favor in offering these tunes for free.

Unfortunately in doing so, he has probably alienated alot of the companies that helped him get to the DHRA finals last year.

An argument could be made that the more people working on and developing products to make our trucks go fast, the better off we all are. The flip side is how many consumers that have been given a free 500 HP tune are actually contributing to the development of future tunes/products. Or just as important, how much money has been taken away from the R&D budgets of PPE, Kennedy, etc. and what will that mean to future product/tune development?

I understand both sides of the issue at hand as I too am a consumer but also a business. And it is a slippery slope indeed. :D

i see both sides of the story however wasnt the main selling feature of efi live the ability to tune and share files? from what i have seen is the "vendors" (more like children lately) have used the tool to benifit themselves and nobody has really released any "secrets" as to how to get the power out of your truck to joe blow consumer, its been a little boys club. now everyone who is trying to sell their locked tune for an unreasonable price is *****ing and calling pat names because he stole their tune or used some information that was given to help improve his tune (the little boys club again) and is now bent out of shape.

sorry for the off topic but the fact that 1000hp has this in his sig is less than tactful

McRat LLY tunning experience: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...t=92281&page=3 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92281&page=3)

back to the topic (feel free to tell me off via pm)

Very well said Geo!

To may calling foul here lately. And most of the cry babies are the ones doing to dirty dealing.
Can't we all just get along?:exactly: i see both sides of the story however wasnt the main selling feature of efi live the ability to tune and share files? from what i have seen is the "vendors" (more like children lately) have used the tool to benifit themselves and nobody has really released any "secrets" as to how to get the power out of your truck to joe blow consumer, its been a little boys club. now everyone who is trying to sell their locked tune for an unreasonable price is *****ing and calling pat names because he stole their tune or used some information that was given to help improve his tune (the little boys club again) and is now bent out of shape.

sorry for the off topic but the fact that 1000hp has this in his sig is less than tactful

McRat LLY tunning experience: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...t=92281&page=3 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92281&page=3)

back to the topic (feel free to tell me off via pm)

mcrat has a monopoly for those looking to buy the system. no one else offers a comparable tune without charging >$800 and having your ecm locked down. just my $.02

I would like to ask you if you work for free.........:rolleyes:

If you do then I'll hire you, can you start tomorrow ?????

If he truly wants to help everyone and further LLY tuning why be so selfish and tie the tune to a sale, put it up in the repository...........:cool:

After all isn't he doing the same thing ??? Charging full price for EFI-LIVE and then giving a free tune ???? That sounds like paying extra for a dinner so you can get a free desert.

i see both sides of the story however wasnt the main selling feature of efi live the ability to tune and share files? from what i have seen is the "vendors" (more like children lately) have used the tool to benifit themselves and nobody has really released any "secrets" as to how to get the power out of your truck to joe blow consumer, its been a little boys club. now everyone who is trying to sell their locked tune for an unreasonable price is *****ing and calling pat names because he stole their tune or used some information that was given to help improve his tune (the little boys club again) and is now bent out of shape.

sorry for the off topic but the fact that 1000hp has this in his sig is less than tactful

McRat LLY tunning experience: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...t=92281&page=3 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92281&page=3)

back to the topic (feel free to tell me off via pm)

The features of efi-live allow ANYONE to change any of the tables in the stock tune files. You can change it or have another member change it for you. YOU are in control if you want to be.

As far as an unreasonable price, lets compare some costs shall we.

EFI-Live Commercial Version is $820, you need that for full flashing to take advantage of DSP2 tuning and Allison Flashing.

A tune from Kennedy or Myself for a 500HP tune is $895.00, so for an extra $75.00 I guess we are both being unreasonable.........:rolleyes:

You get a well tested tune that is dyno proven and track proven.

This is not Napster, like the old saying goes, GAS, GRASS, or ***.....nobody rides for free.

Just my .02.......

Have a nice day...............:)

Guys, it needs to slow down here.

People like Kennedy, and many others, do this for a living. They spend a fortune on dyno's and dyno time. They also spend a ton of time in development, both with their own trucks, and with others as testers.

I'm not saying Mcrat doesn't have a good tune. I'm saying that others have invested in their's as well, or more.

Free tunes are here to stay, but experiance and dyno time will always deserve respect!:)

McRat has done the consumer a huge favor in offering these tunes for free.

Unfortunately in doing so, he has probably alienated alot of the companies that helped him get to the DHRA finals last year.

An argument could be made that the more people working on and developing products to make our trucks go fast, the better off we all are. The flip side is how many consumers that have been given a free 500 HP tune are actually contributing to the development of future tunes/products. Or just as important, how much money has been taken away from the R&D budgets of PPE, Kennedy, etc. and what will that mean to future product/tune development?

I understand both sides of the issue at hand as I too am a consumer but also a business. And it is a slippery slope indeed. :D

PPE is and always has been the greatest help to me and other LLY racers. Without their products, we would still be stuck at 400HP. I'm working with PPE in a mutually beneficial arrangement to take it to the next level. It's no big secret to the tuners that they can "see" the PPE programs. It is perhaps the "model" for many tunes. My tune uses no PPE content however, or from anything else. For better or for worse, it is "unique" in the way it's written.

Things are going to change. It was mearly a question of "when", never of "if". The modifications I did to my LLY trucks have always been posted here to help others go fast, and in many cases helped vendors sell LLY performance products when the general "expert" consensus was that the LLY would never be fast.

Custom tuning tools abound in the aftermarket industry for many makes and models, and the Duramax was certainly a good candidate. There were three possible Dmax "custom tuning" applications last year. HPTuners, Sniper, and EFILive. Oddly enough, EFILive took up the challenge even though they are on the opposite side of the planet. The others so far have not deemed the Duramax worthy of the intense R&D required to make such tools.

The minute a Dmax tuning system was released, it would forever change "racing" programming. It would open the floodgates for people to develop their own tunes. For better or for worse, it was going to happen. But truth be told, the lion's share of the market will always be "shrink-wrapped" tunes by companies such as Edge, Banks, PPE, HyperTech, Predator, SuperChips, Bully Dog, Van Aaken, Quad, Granatelli, etc, etc. These are easy to sell, easy to install, easy to inventory, and make the power that the majority of the market is looking for. The "hair on fire" market is much smaller.

So the real question is whether I damaged the racing market by promoting EFILive with a "hair on fire" tune included. I guess it depends on whether you're a racer or a tuner. It also depends on if that's all your business supports. If companies were expecting to derive an income from mearly cut-n-paste tuning, then yes, I hurt that aspect. But now the market is moving towards more substantial modifications than just "tune only" trucks for racing. The cut-n-paste will not work on these trucks without leaving power on the table. Those who have developed tuning skills with EFILive will be able to service this new need that the "shrinkwrap" tuners might not be able to address.

There is also the idea of "reward for effort" that has been brought up. Everyone that I know of who helped with Casper has made money as a result of it. But what about the folk at EFILive? They perhaps are seeing a smaller piece of the pie than their efforts would entitle them to. For the cut-n-paste shops, EFILive sales are perhaps a threat. But for the racers, the more units EFILive sells, the more likely EFILive is to continue to develop products for our trucks. In a way the "free tune" promotion was my way to say thank you to the gang from down under.

I am not hitching my wagon to the "free tune". I am going to do my best to provide valuable products and services to the Duramax racing community, whether it is something I sell, or assisting companies who develop them.

Which is what I've done since I first got my truck, and will continue to do so.

I am sure it's not your intention Tony, but you are sounding a little peaved.


One thing most are forgetting, and I have failed to mention it in the past. Anyone selling a custom tune such as T:ro) ny`s, and JK. More then likely they had to buy the big boy version (IE: Workshop!) so there is a lot of extra money tied up there.

I think $400 would be a much better price, but hey, as long as people are paying the $1200 (With replacement ECM) more power to em:exactly:



Geo is 100% right, the selling point for EFIlive from Flashscan was to get tuning into the hands of us, the truck owner. If that hurts someone's busness, then SO BE IT!:exactly: The big dog gets the ham bone:lol: If you can't handle the compitition, take up sewing;) And this is not directed at T:ro) ny. He's a pretty cool cat:)

If a company goes out of busness due to another one having a better grip on what the consumer wants/needs, it's not our responsiblity to buy from then just to help them get there fair share of the pie.
When BeOS went out of busness, and I lost money, I didn't see anyone running out and buying that operating systen to help me. (By the way BeOS was 10 years ago where XP is just getting to, and a whole lot more, but that didn't help them!)

When JK states that he will be here for the long hual, that is only hoping on his part, as he has no idea what is in store for the long hual. Besides that, it really looks bad cutting another busness down, just to build yours up. Very tacky busness practice in my opinion.:blahblah:
I would like to ask you if you work for free.........:rolleyes:

If you do then I'll hire you, can you start tomorrow ?????

If he truly wants to help everyone and further LLY tuning why be so selfish and tie the tune to a sale, put it up in the repository...........:cool:

After all isn't he doing the same thing ??? Charging full price for EFI-LIVE and then giving a free tune ???? That sounds like paying extra for a dinner so you can get a free desert.



The features of efi-live allow ANYONE to change any of the tables in the stock tune files. You can change it or have another member change it for you. YOU are in control if you want to be.

As far as an unreasonable price, lets compare some costs shall we.

EFI-Live Commercial Version is $820, you need that for full flashing to take advantage of DSP2 tuning and Allison Flashing.

A tune from Kennedy or Myself for a 500HP tune is $895.00, so for an extra $75.00 I guess we are both being unreasonable.........:rolleyes:

You get a well tested tune that is dyno proven and track proven.

This is not Napster, like the old saying goes, GAS, GRASS, or ***.....nobody rides for free.

Just my .02.......

Have a nice day...............:)

I am sure it's not your intention Tony, but you are sounding a little peaved.


One thing most are forgetting, and I have failed to mention it in the past. Anyone selling a custom tune such as T:ro) ny`s, and JK. More then likely they had to but the big boy version (IE: Workshop!) so there is a lot of extra money tied up there.

I think $400 would be a much better price, but hey, as long as people are paying the $1200 (With replacement ECM) more power to em:exactly:



Geo is 100% right, the selling point for EFIlive from Flashscan was to get tuning into the hands of us, the truck owner. If that hurts someone's busness, then SO BE IT!:exactly: The big dog gets the ham bone:lol: If you can't handle the compitition, take up sewing;) And this is not directed at T:ro) ny. He's a pretty cool cat:)

Nothing in life is free..........the tune isn't either........JMHO.

;)

Everyone wants a seat at the table, but nobody wants to pick up the check........

so how long till all the vendors put a hit out for mcrat.

so how long till all the vendors put a hit out for mcrat.

Dunno. But check milk cartons frequently. Tell Kat and the kids I love them! :D

Nothing in life is free..........the tune isn't either........JMHO.

;)

Everyone wants a seat at the table, but nobody wants to pick up the check........

You must be taking singing lessons, as your tune has changed from 8-9 months ago.:exactly:
Maybe McRat's tune isn't free, but it is one heck of alot cheaper then any other I have seen. (With the exception of maybe BoBo's) And it is UNLOCKED so we can learn. (I think that is what is the most bothersome to other tuners:muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha: )

Once I learn how to build my own tunes, I will be sharing them with as many Duramax owners as wants them. (But the McRat tune will stay private until Pat gives the ok to share it.) After all, that is exactly what Paul, and Ross released EFIlive for.

how many that are selling tunes that were designed by "them" from the ground up?

You must be taking singing lessons, as your tune has changed from 8-9 months ago.:exactly:
Maybe McRat's tune isn't free, but it is one heck of alot cheaper then any other I have seen. (With the exception of maybe BoBo's) And it is UNLOCKED so we can learn. (I think that is what is the most bothersome to other tuners:muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha: )

Once I learn how to build my own tunes, I will be sharing them with as many Duramax owners as wants them. (But the McRat tune will stay private until Pat gives the ok to share it.) After all, that is exactly what Paul, and Ross released EFIlive for.

I can't sing.......didn't know I even had a song out.......:rolleyes:

Was it in the top 40 or a number one hit ??????

:eek:

how many that are selling tunes that were designed by "them" from the ground up?

Nobody,

All tunes are derived from GM's files..........so the answer is NOBODY has designed a tune from the ground up

Nevermind. ;)

so you are saying you started with a stock gm file?

so you are saying you started with a stock gm file?

YUP..........:cool:

If your asking me........

I don't have DIC on my 2002 and mileage doesn't matter.

):h

I work for free all the time. I don't feel the need to make money at everything I do. I've given plenty of free advice and helped lots of people out for free. It is my right to do so. It is also my right to charge for what I do if I so choose.

It's a two way street. No one is wrong no one is right. Kennedy, Tony and anyone else can charge for their tunes if they like. McRat also has the right to give his tunes away for free. It is their intellectual property and they can do with it as they wish.

I think we will see more and more big tunes for free in the future. JMO.

I could not have said it better! Well I probably could, but then why would we need you;) I work for free all the time. I don't feel the need to make money at everything I do. I've given plenty of free advice and helped lots of people out for free. It is my right to do so. It is also my right to charge for what I do if I so choose.

It's a two way street. No one is wrong no one is right. Kennedy, Tony and anyone else can charge for their tunes if they like. McRat also has the right to give his tunes away for free. It is their intellectual property and they can do with it as they wish.

I think we will see more and more big tunes for free in the future. JMO.

If, for one second, anyone thinks selling a copy of EFI live is hurting the Duramax performance market just because it comes with a big tune, you are missing the boat. If you can read this post, you are 100% capable of making a high hp tune that is every bit as drivable and as perfect as you could ever imagine. You don't need a dyno (although it will help). You don't need a mechanical engineering degree, a doctorate degree in molecular biology, etc. You do need some time, patience, persistence, and an understanding wife. I had the drive to make a tune that would compete with the vast majority of trucks I race against. There was no single tune to do that at the time, so I did it myself. EFI Live gave me the tools to do it. I never thought that anyone else would be unable to do it. I knew that as soon as a few dozen people got this software, we would have some very competitive tunes available. It is all about pushing the envelope. There are only a few ways to get to the top level of performance. Once you find the key numbers to get you there, it is up to you on how you want to share that info. I'm sure that other high HP LLY tunes have similar or the same timing numbers, injector durations, etc to get them to the same level or higher than the tune I made. Does that make them a thief? Did I invent those numbers? Do I own those numbers? NO! If you want your tune to get to the point a few of us have gotten, your numbers are going to be very similar to ours! We all have this wonderful tool at out fingertips. How you use it and the knowledge you gain from using is your business. I don't agree with those that doubt ones ability to share information for the good of the Duramax performance community without hurting the Duramax performance market. The Duramax performance market is the same as all other markets. It is a business that brings profit only if the market delivers what the consumer wants. McRat is delivering. If your business is hurting because of it, it is time to step back, make some changes, and deliver something better than is currently available. If you can't change your way of business and adapt to the market, you don't deserve to have a business. That is what business is all about. Get used to it, or get out. There is nothing that McRat is doing to keep the likes of TTS, PPE, Kennedy, etc from developing tunes for the 06's...that is a huge untapped market. Think outside the box. It will make you rich.

I work for free all the time. I don't feel the need to make money at everything I do. I've given plenty of free advice and helped lots of people out for free. It is my right to do so. It is also my right to charge for what I do if I so choose.

It's a two way street. No one is wrong no one is right. Kennedy, Tony and anyone else can charge for their tunes if they like. McRat also has the right to give his tunes away for free. It is their intellectual property and they can do with it as they wish.

I think we will see more and more big tunes for free in the future. JMO.

I have helped many, many people here as well, with more than just tuning questions........;)

Free tunes are here to stay I guess, but we'll have to see if the "FREE" tune gets updated frequently with all the knowledge being shared and if it stays in the "TEAM SALAD RACING CIRCLE"...........:eek:

Something tells me that a racer always wants a competitive edge........will that "KNOWLEDGE" be shared ?????

Time will tell

):h

Well put bobo.

I would like to ask you if you work for free.........:rolleyes:

If you do then I'll hire you, can you start tomorrow ?????

If he truly wants to help everyone and further LLY tuning why be so selfish and tie the tune to a sale, put it up in the repository...........:cool:

After all isn't he doing the same thing ??? Charging full price for EFI-LIVE and then giving a free tune ???? That sounds like paying extra for a dinner so you can get a free desert.



as a matter of fact i do a lot of work for free, except its in my other hobby, offroading and fabricating. once i learn the ins and outs of tuning i will help people out.

i wouldnt consider what pat is doing to be wrong in any way, i have contacted MANY vendors of the site and a lot of them sell products at retail. each of them has their benifits of buying from them. i.e. when the new predator tune came out and you needed a receipt, vendors would give you a new copy so you werent left high and dry with something that could be better, pretty much exactly what pat is doing with this program.

i would like to see the users of efi live be able to trade tunes and files as if they didnt have a value (nice thought huh!), you brought the program so you could right? i would support the shops using efi live more if they didnt lock down the ecm or instead just sell the data. you wouldnt make as much profit off of each slae but i bet by selling 2x as many for 1/2 the price everyone would make out in the end.

as a matter of fact i do a lot of work for free, except its in my other hobby, offroading and fabricating. once i learn the ins and outs of tuning i will help people out.

i wouldnt consider what pat is doing to be wrong in any way, i have contacted MANY vendors of the site and a lot of them sell products at retail. each of them has their benifits of buying from them. i.e. when the new predator tune came out and you needed a receipt, vendors would give you a new copy so you werent left high and dry with something that could be better, pretty much exactly what pat is doing with this program.

i would like to see the users of efi live be able to trade tunes and files as if they didnt have a value (nice thought huh!), you brought the program so you could right? i would support the shops using efi live more if they didnt lock down the ecm or instead just sell the data. you wouldnt make as much profit off of each slae but i bet by selling 2x as many for 1/2 the price everyone would make out in the end.

How about giving one unlocked tune away and having everyone never buy it because it's free and has been sent out like a downloaded song or movie.

If you think that McRat's tune is going to stay in the "TEAM SALAD" inner circle you are kidding yourself...........;)

All it will take is one person to send it to another person outside the circle and then it's available everywhere.

Just a FYI,

I get emails constantly from "PEOPLE" who want to sell my tune, they want to become dealers, when they find out that I only sell locked ECM's they never go further, why, because once the file is available I will never see another sale from them, they will take it and use it and sell it and my hard work is all for nothing.

If you think everyone is honest I have a large bridge in Brooklyn, NY for sale too..........:D

If you think everyone is honest I have a large bridge in Brooklyn, NY for sale too..........:D


Do you take checks? Are the blueprints included, or is it a secret?:rolleyes:

This is a site that promotes the Duramax and its issues. We as a whole will help others with the things that plague us and our friends trucks. You need to know how to change a fuel filter fine , we all will help. That being said If I have found ways to make my truck run faster and better than the rest with my research and time invested I would want to get restitution for my intellect and research. Do you see Kenny Bernstein going over to John Force and saying ,"Hey man here is my timing tables and fueling , sorry for beating ya all year and taking $$ out of your kids mouths" HELL NO! Kennedy has a $100,000 dyno for his research . Tony has spent countless hours at the track and on the dyno with his and many others trucks for research on these tunes . AL OUT OF HIS POCKET. ! Its nice that their are several people out there who want to be the next Cecil B Demille and give away their intellect and research for free. I wonder if these people will say ."hey I know we are paired up for the finals now , if I win Ill split the winnings with you " .
Its a known fact that if someone has something that will make us go faster and they have the ability to control it and they can lock that knowledge up (protected tunes) and keep others from using it . MORE POWER TO THEM , ITS THE AMERICAN WAY ,MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES! LAISE FAIR ! Will the market be over saturated ? YES and NO! These free tunes will make most people happy (The lazy ones). They will not get the real purists the power they need. Each truck is different in every way, some have strong cp3 some dont its just a fact. A 500hp tune in the wrong hands is worse than giving a 17 yr old a million dollars and saying budget it wisely. IT WONT HAPPEN . Tran's will be wrecked and engines will be blown . I remember a yr ago when 500hp meant something ! You had to work and have the knowledge to get that . I dont get these people who cry and say cant we all share ! HELL NO ! DO YOU SHARE YOUR PAYCHECK ? If you want to play you have to pay !

I have helped many, many people here as well, with more than just tuning questions........;)

Free tunes are here to stay I guess, but we'll have to see if the "FREE" tune gets updated frequently with all the knowledge being shared and if it stays in the "TEAM SALAD RACING CIRCLE"...........:eek:

Something tells me that a racer always wants a competitive edge........will that "KNOWLEDGE" be shared ?????

Time will tell

):h
If these McRat tunes stay hiddin amongst us that buy from Pat, how is it any different then what you and Kennedy are doing? (But I am sure it is just a matter of time before it is shared by someone, maybe McRat, maybe someone else!)

Do you take checks? Are the blueprints included, or is it a secret?:rolleyes:

Blueprints are available, I take checks...........no problem, your credit is good with me.

I just checked the repository and miraculously no High HP/TQ tunes have been uploaded from you or McRat.........;)

I am sure if you believe everyone is honest then share your files with NO STRINGS attached.

:D

This is a site that promotes the Duramax and its issues. We as a whole will help others with the things that plague us and our friends trucks. You need to know how to change a fuel filter fine , we all will help. That being said If I have found ways to make my truck run faster and better than the rest with my research and time invested I would want to get restitution for my intellect and research. Do you see Kenny Bernstein going over to John Force and saying ,"Hey man here is my timing tables and fueling , sorry for beating ya all year and taking $$ out of your kids mouths" HELL NO! Kennedy has a $100,000 dyno for his research . Tony has spent countless hours at the track and on the dyno with his and many others trucks for research on these tunes . AL OUT OF HIS POCKET. ! Its nice that their are several people out there who want to be the next Cecil B Demille and give away their intellect and research for free. I wonder if these people will say ."hey I know we are paired up for the finals now , if I win Ill split the winnings with you " .
Its a known fact that if someone has something that will make us go faster and they have the ability to control it and they can lock that knowledge up (protected tunes) and keep others from using it . MORE POWER TO THEM , ITS THE AMERICAN WAY ,MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES! LAISE FAIR ! Will the market be over saturated ? YES and NO! These free tunes will make most people happy (The lazy ones). They will not get the real purists the power they need. Each truck is different in every way, some have strong cp3 some dont its just a fact. A 500hp tune in the wrong hands is worse than giving a 17 yr old a million dollars and saying budget it wisely. IT WONT HAPPEN . Tran's will be wrecked and engines will be blown . I remember a yr ago when 500hp meant something ! You had to work and have the knowledge to get that . I dont get these people who cry and say cant we all share ! HELL NO ! DO YOU SHARE YOUR PAYCHECK ? If you want to play you have to pay !

If you show up with a shrinkwrapped or cut-n-paste tune today you're going to get your *** handed to you hard. Today it takes a different charger, radical fuel supply changes, and injectors. None of which are compatible with tunes optimized for stock engines.

The ante has been raised. The tuning market will adjust accordingly.

If these McRat tunes stay hiddin amongst us that buy from Pat, how is it any different then what you and Kennedy are doing? (But I am sure it is just a matter of time before it is shared by someone, maybe McRat, maybe someone else!)

Again,

If you purists want to create your Utopia with tune sharing and knowledge building just cut the marketing gimmick and load the tunes into the repository and benefit the whole community, if that is your true agenda.

I think a slick marketing gimmick has emerged and the truth is that as long as people buy the software they get a bone, not to further the LLY community but someone's bottom line.........

Prove me wrong, load the file for everyone's benefit.........:cool:

...

I put up a tutorial on the 3 basic changes you need to make power in an LLY.

If you have a better version, feel free to post it up. ;)

Load your 500 HP tune into the repository, do right by the LLY Community, let everyone benefit...........they will still buy EFI-LIVE from you, after all they need the hardware to load your tune, RIGHT..........:D

Then when stock trannies and VVT Turbo's start taking a dump they can benefit from that too

whole lotta pisin' in the cornflakes here,i've only seen McRat actualy post up a thread on how to build a tune...not any of you other guys that are all hangin your peckers out into the cereal bowl...but that just my observation.

whole lotta pisin' in the cornflakes here,i've only seen McRat actualy post up a thread on how to build a tune...not any of you other guys that are all hangin your peckers out into the cereal bowl...but that just my observation.

My fly is still zipped up

Cornflakes are still in the box

Waiting on that tune to be shared.........just want to make sure everyone benefits, this way the whole community can be tuning to 600 HP next.

If you show up with a shrinkwrapped or cut-n-paste tune today you're going to get your *** handed to you hard. Today it takes a different charger, radical fuel supply changes, and injectors. None of which are compatible with tunes optimized for stock engines.

The ante has been raised. The tuning market will adjust accordingly.
I think that is what I just said :rolleyes:
It not a personal attack at you PAT , you have put your time in and bought every tuner out for the lly, tested them and tried to push the limits. .

Its these new wannabees scavengers who never would have thought about getting 500 hp because they didn't have the knowledge or time to get it.Let alone the $$$. NOW that its free they all join the RAT ship (no pun intended) like a bunch of vultures that want a handout. -:t

These are the same people who will never tune or help tune they are just freeloading to benefit their friends and themselves.

Hell Ill buy a trans and get all five of my buddies and we will split the cost of EFI $895 divided by 5 .....that's $179 a person and 3 more licenses at $99.00 so for $220.00 a man , we all load the same tune up we have just cut out YOU and any one else who tunes . NOT TO MENTION ANY ONE ELSE THEY GIVE IT TO ALONG THE WAY ! DID YOU JUST BENIFIT THE DURAMAX TUNING WORLD ? OR BENIFIT THE WALLETS OF THE FREELOADERS?

I love you all.):h

My fly is still zipped up

Cornflakes are still in the box

Waiting on that tune to be shared.........just want to make sure everyone benefits, this way the whole community can be tuning to 600 HP next.
don't see you uploaing any tunes either :confused:

don't see you uploading any tunes either :confused:

I don't intend to.......so don't hold your breath on it.

I just think that if you all want to get to better HP/TQ numbers faster then you all need to EXPAND the knowledge base, share with the community, be at one with yourselves.........sing Kumba-Ya and pray to Buhdda.

Load the file already, prove that you all have the best interests of the DP Community and not your self interests and wallet first.

I sell tunes, I don't give them away to sell EFI-Live, why should I, I have spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars and then everyone expects me give it away for free.......:eek:

I don't think that is a wise business decision........

Anyone that gives away a tune that is worth $800-$900 to make $100 on a software sale isn't thinking clearly......IMHO

I don't intend to.......so don't hold your breath on it.

I just think that if you all want to get along faster then you all need to EXPAND the knowledge base, share with the community, be at one with yourselves.........sing Kumba-Ya and pray to Buhdda.

I sell tunes, I don't give them away to sell EFI-Live, why should I spend hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars and then give it away fro free.......:eek:
then why should anyone else upload tunes? you're stirring the pot but don't care to add to the fix of this sh!t storm:rant:

You guys may want to check out Jess@Wait for me he sells open tunes :D

http://www.wait4meperformance.com/ click on news

then why should anyone else upload tunes? you're stirring the pot but don't care to add to the fix of this sh!t storm:rant:

Because McRAT stated that he wants the LLY community to all benefit from his free tune, BUT ONLY if you buy EFI-Live from him, so why is it that he won't share with everyone else, what is the catch, don't you see the gimmick.

$820 for EFI-Live Commercial, you just spent $820 on a tune............

Start tuning, start sharing, I expect to see all the McRAT Team Salad tuners to start sharing with the DP Community.

Still waiting.

Because McRAT stated that he wants the LLY community to all benefit from his free tune, BUT ONLY if you buy EFI-Live from him, so why is it that he won't share with everyone else, what is the catch, don't you see the gimmick.

$820 for EFI-Live Commercial, you just spent $820 on a tune............

Start tuning, start sharing, I expect to see all the McRAT Team Salad tuners to start sharing with the DP Community.

Still waiting.

wrong, i bought a personal but the tune is unlocked so i can and have changed thins to it a few times already, plus i can tune another lsx type car or another d-max for this money i spent..don't see you adding any support, just alot of sippin' on H8erade :badidea:

Unfortunately in doing so, he has probably alienated alot of the companies that helped him get to the DHRA finals last year.



I thought the reason McRat made the finals was because your brother didn't show up for every race ):h or maybe it was your redlights:p: :lol:

Since there is nothing special in Blue, which he ran all in the races except for the finals and in Tx. With the exception of the awesome shifting MikeL Suncoast trans :ro)

wrong, i bought a personal but the tune is unlocked so i can and have changed thins to it a few times already, plus i can tune another lsx type car or another d-max for this money i spent..don't see you adding any support, just alot of sippin' on H8erade :badidea:

I support my customers, just ask them......:cool:

You cannot full flash with your personal version, you cannot tune your Allison with the personal version, you cannot get a switchable tune with your personal version.

If you want that you need to upgrade.

:D

I remember a yr ago when 500hp meant something ! You had to work and have the knowledge to get that . I dont get these people who cry and say cant we all share ! HELL NO ! DO YOU SHARE YOUR PAYCHECK ? If you want to play you have to pay !

Exactly. Very well put. I remember those days well.

500, 550, almost 600 on fuel only IS an accomplishment.

The next frontier is coming.:ro)

Because McRAT stated that he wants the LLY community to all benefit from his free tune, BUT ONLY if you buy EFI-Live from him, so why is it that he won't share with everyone else, what is the catch, don't you see the gimmick.

$820 for EFI-Live Commercial, you just spent $820 on a tune............

Start tuning, start sharing, I expect to see all the McRAT Team Salad tuners to start sharing with the DP Community.

Still waiting.

You really don't understand the LLY community. We are fast because of teamwork. But for some reason, we do not feel obligated to help the Locked-ECM crowd fix their tuning mistakes. If you want locked ECM's on your LB7's have at it. I don't like the soup, but oddly you've grown accustomed to it's bitter taste.

You really don't understand the LLY community. We are fast because of teamwork. But for some reason, we do not feel obligated to help the Locked-ECM crowd fix their tuning mistakes. If you want locked ECM's on your LB7's have at it. I don't like the soup, but oddly you've grown accustomed to it's bitter taste.

What I do understand is you took knowledge from everyone and then used it against them.

Last time I checked with my SOTP-Meter, the track and the dyno there weren't mistakes, unless making over 500HP/1100TQ is a mistake, wonder what I will make when I get it right.

:D

Did you load that tune yet ??? The DP community is waiting and being that it will be unlocked and available why not be a sport and benefit everyone here with EFI-Live, even a novice like myself......

Heck, if you want to, just go right ahead point out the mistakes I have made, enlighten me and 1000HP, Kennedy, and even Steve Cole, this way we can ALL give you the credit you deserve in Public.

:cool:

FWIW I bought EFI Live from McRat but I didn't buy it because he was "handing out" a 500 hp tune. I bought it so I could have the ability to tune and to try and contribute in any way possible. I think there are plenty of people out there that just want to have the ability to make a tow tune or an economy tune that will suite their needs. Not everyone is out to run the biggest tune.

I am slowly learning what makes my DURAMAX tick. I will probably never have the abilities that all of you folks have that sell tunes. I can appreciate all the time and effort you have put into your tunes. If I had the time and money I would do the same I suppose.

I don't think this makes me a freeloader just because I don't have the ability to share usefull information at this point. Everyone had to learn at some point....

I thought the reason McRat made the finals was because your brother didn't show up for every race ):h or maybe it was your redlights:p: :lol:

Since there is nothing special in Blue, which he ran all in the races except for the finals and in Tx. With the exception of the awesome shifting MikeL Suncoast trans :ro)

Your not kiddin, I couldn't seem to get off the line without a redlight.

-.001, -.010 etc. Censored

And my little brother comes out and drag races for the second time in his life on a drag strip and cuts miraculous reaction times and dead on repeatable times. :eek:

Kat,
Don't take my previous post the wrong way, I was just pointing out both sides of an issue that has stirred debate among many users and vendors alike.
As I said before I can see both sides.

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YKat,
Don't take my previous post the wrong way, I was just pointing out both sides of an issue that has stirred debate among many users and vendors alike.
As I said before I can see both sides.

No worries Guy :ro)

I have orders to stay out of it.

Kat in the Hat :D

...McRAT has stated that I have a mistake in my tuning, I simply want to know what the mistake is, since he has never seen any of my tune files I wonder where that statement came from.

Did I say you had a mistake? ;)

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I have perused this thread and the "other" thread. I am very unimpressed overall and have a bad "taste in my mouth" concerning this whole pissing match. I am also now a bit soured on EFI Live and the tunes that are for sale. However, I will try to keep that bias out of my next few comments.

If I understand this correctly, McRat worked with several vendors to find decent power from LLYs. McRat then decided to become a supporting vendor himself and sell EFI live with the tune he developed. Some consider McRat to have accepted their help under false pretenses and should not be selling "his" tune. Some think he plagarized the tune. Others point out that ANY 500 HP tune is going to have a lot in common and everyone starts with at least the same GM programming. McRat admits to receiving help from some and points out he also shared info with others.

As I analyze this, the first thing that strikes me is it appears that maybe some vendors just do not like the competition. They object to McRat selling EFI Live AND a 500 HP tune for what they are selling just their tune or just EFI Live for. I imagine they would be fine with McRat sold EFI live for $825 and the 500 HP Tune for another $800. They feel McRat is taking business away from them they are trying to beat him by accusing him of stealing and/or enagaing in unfair business practices.

Why not just beat him by offering a better product and better service? If the objecting vendors cannot produce a better tune or provide better service, they deserve to lose business.

I have never done business with McRat, but he seems very helpful and open with what he is doing. However, I have done business with John Kennedy and know without question his prices are fair, his products are excellent, his customer service is outstanding, he stands behind what he sells and most importantly, he has earned my trust over the last four years. JK is always the first place I look to buy from, and it is a rare ocassion when I don't. I know many other vendors here are similar to JK in how they conduct their business.

So is McRat really taking business away? Loyal customers will likely stay with their current vendors. Guys on a budget will either buy just the EFI live and build their own tune, OR just buy just the tune. Few will buy EFI Live AND a 500 HP Tune, but those that want to do that will look at McRat's offering pretty hard.

McRat's tune may be decent, but how can he compete with a guy like Kennedy who can make an adjustment, go test it on his own dyno, then immediately offer his dyno-tested update to customers who bought the JK tune? I'd think guys like JK would rapidly surpass McRat in refining tunes and McRat would always be playing catch-up.

So as I see it the rest of the vendors are losing very little by McRat selling his 500 HP tune with EFI live. I think this will become more and more evident as prices come down as R&R costs are recovered.

Did I say you had a mistake? ;)

You say everyone has a mistake in their tuning, re-read your old posts and recent PM's........;)

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good post afp1

You really don't understand the LLY community. We are fast because of teamwork. But for some reason, we do not feel obligated to help the Locked-ECM crowd fix their tuning mistakes. If you want locked ECM's on your LB7's have at it. I don't like the soup, but oddly you've grown accustomed to it's bitter taste.

I assume that since I lock down my ECM's that you were referring to me.

I just bought a 500 rwhp tune from McRat, and of all things, he gave an EFIlive free:eek: Thanks Pat and Kat for the free EFIlive. You are the best:lol: :lol: :lol:

DING, fries are done!

I can see this one getting Paddy L Ocked soon

I just bought a 500 rwhp tune from McRat, and of all things, he gave an EFIlive free:eek: Thanks Pat and Kat for the free EFIlive. You are the best:lol: :lol: :lol:

At least you learned something.....:rolleyes:

Let's see how long that tranny lasts........:D

That was a wise purchase, a 500HP tune for a 300HP tranny

That's putting the cart before the horse.......you'll really get to help develope that tune now !!!

Get your logging going, you should get a few logs before you limp it


):h

At least you learned something.....:rolleyes:

Let's see how long that tranny lasts........:D

That was a wise purchase, a 500HP tune with a 300HP tranny


):h

gotta start somewhere,smart guy:)

in at the lockdown!

gotta start somewhere,smart guy:)

The start and finish, of the tuning and transmission won't be far apart........):h

I'd say most everyone got in their $.02.