**** NEW COGNITO MOTORSPORTS 4"-6" KIT ****
coming soon !!! :ro)

Looks good and you can still run H2's.......:cool:

thats a terrible teaser pic. i want to see front shots from down low

Slow down, the paints still wet !!!!
I am not sure exactly when the first release will be, but I will keep you updated. It is set at 6” with a 3” block in the rear and has Hummer H2 take offs on it.

:cool2: H2's work.......sign me up........

Is wheel spacers required for the Hummer wheels? If not, that is a major PLUS!

Is wheel spacers required for the Hummer wheels? If not, that is a major PLUS!

No spacers needed. If running upper arm you might need spacer to clear??

Damn it, I might have to get one of those.

woooo hooo looks like someone is gettin computer savy postin pictures......kit looks nice.

I'll offer to thrash.. Um I mean test one...

Just let me know Nick and the truck will be in your shop.. :ro)

So can this be added/ upgraded / combined with an exsisting leveling kit?

No spacers needed. If running upper arm you might need spacer to clear??

So the kit does not utilize new upper arms?

it is probably like their other kits where you can use the stock upper arms at normal height, but if you want to go with the dual shock option or go higher you will need the upper arms.

I have a question for 1sic250 what size and kind of lift is that pic of ur truck got and what size tires cuz it looks great i have the same truck and thinking about lifting it i allready have a 02 2500hd sittin on 42 inch irocks but i wont to lift my diesel now ...thank you..

I have a question for 1sic250 what size and kind of lift is that pic of ur truck got and what size tires cuz it looks great i have the same truck and thinking about lifting it i allready have a 02 2500hd sittin on 42 inch irocks but i wont to lift my diesel now ...thank you..

Thats a halfton with the 10-12" cognito with 37's on 17" rims.......
http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito-10-12.html

The sneak peak truck must have the upper arms, because it has spacers. Is it set at 6+ inches?

It sure does look good. Will most likely be my lift someday. (As long as I can use the Hummer wheels without spacers.)

Must be a small drop for the tb crossmember, can't really see it.

Must be a small drop for the tb crossmember, can't really see it.

There is no torsion bar cross member drop, if I undersood correctly. They use a floating point on the front end of the bars. (So instead of lowering the rear, they raise the front.)

The lift is a true 4" - 6" lift. With factory settings on the torsion bars it raises the front 4" and the rear 3". Then with torsion bar adjustments, you can get about another 2" - 2 1/2". (Or you can go with their optional upper A arms, but then wheel selection will be limited with back spacing being a max of about 4 1/2" without wheel spacers.)

Interesting, and even better. I was wondering when someone would make something on a lift similar to the reallift tb relocators or the tough country NTD setup.

I have a question for 1sic250 what size and kind of lift is that pic of ur truck got and what size tires cuz it looks great i have the same truck and thinking about lifting it i allready have a 02 2500hd sittin on 42 inch irocks but i wont to lift my diesel now ...thank you..

The black truck is not mine, the man that owns it is Mark from Sacramento Ca. / It's a 2006 1500 c/c stub/box. Lift is a Cognito Motorsports 10"-12" set @ 10" w/37's. Upper Arms, Idler bell crank, dual hoops, tie rods, rear 10" springs, rear bars, 6x Bil5100's all from Cognito Motorsports.

this lift should be perfect for those everyday drivers that want to do donuts at the side show. ghost ride the whip!:ro)

Any release date?

Any release date?


I talk to Justin @ Cognito (Justin@Cognito) everyday and I think he wants to be done with the kit more than customers want to buy it from him. The delay is out of his hands at this point. He's waiting on some special tools to make some pieces of the kit, and no it's not a drill or a 3/4 open end !!!!!
The one thing I can say is if you want it then get put on the waiting list cause when it comes the first batch is going to be SOLD !!!!!!

how much does this new kit increase the front track width per side? I have my eye on it, but I want something that does not increase the track width

thanks

What size tires are on there?

I was told the track width increase was going to be marginal like around 5/8 inch. As that was my concern as well.

how much does this new kit increase the front track width per side? I have my eye on it, but I want something that does not increase the track width

thanks

1/2 per side...

What size tires are on there?


H2 take off /// 315 on 17's

**** COGNITO UPDATE *****

- Cognito just test fit there NEW upper a-arm with there 4"-6" HD kit and H2 wheels fit with out spacers.

- It is not sure yet if H2's will fit using old arms ?????

Are you saying there is now a new tubular a-arm coming out? Or are you talking about the a-arm that comes in the current leveling kit?
Thanks


**** COGNITO UPDATE *****

- Cognito just test fit there NEW upper a-arm with there 4"-6" HD kit and H2 wheels fit with out spacers.

- It is not sure yet if H2's will fit using old arms ?????

Hey 1sic250,

I too am interested in this lift. I have a 06 3500 srw and want to lift it. I would like to know if the back is done with leafs or blocks? My questions is due to towing a 14k 5th wheel trailer. I don't want to tow with blocks.

:thankyou2

The truck in the picture in the 1st post has at least a 1" spacer with the Hummer wheels.**** COGNITO UPDATE *****

- Cognito just test fit there NEW upper a-arm with there 4"-6" HD kit and H2 wheels fit with out spacers.

- It is not sure yet if H2's will fit using old arms ?????

The truck in the picture in the 1st post has at least a 1" spacer with the Hummer wheels.

Sorry but the pic I posted does not have arms on it and it does not have spacers. Yes those are H2 take offs.

Sorry but the pic I posted does not have arms on it and it does not have spacers. Yes those are H2 take offs.

You're saying the red truck has NO spacers? Must be a different design then my truck. Looks as if it has atleast a 1" spacer compared to mine.:eek:

Probably the new spindles stick them out farther.

Take a look at my wheel/hub area, compared to the one posted earlier! Mine is the first one.

hdmax,
I am working with Justin (owner) @ Cognito Motorsports on this truck and he says there are no spacers. Your pic does make it seem like there are spacers.

nar,
yes the kit has spindles.

anymore pics of it, details, etc... when is it going to be available? and are we sure track width is only increased 1/2" on each side?

thanks

the red truck doesn't look like it has the gold dust cap over the axle nut

Nothing new, coming very soon. The more demand the faster the supple. There is a waiting list started with me. No deposit just e-mail nick@norcaltruck.com (nick@norcaltruck.com) and I will send out an e-mail back as soon pricing and orders are ready to fill. Remember first come first serve.........:)

the red truck doesn't look like it has the gold dust cap over the axle nut

That's possible, but a very bad idea if it is the case.:eek: Bearings don't live long with dust and grit getting in them.

the cap just covers the nut dude. The bearings are sealed anyway, and if they were not, dirt would get in from the back side of the spindle.

You must be patient. Waiting about 4 months is nothing....

********** COGNITO 4-6 HD KIT UP-DATE *************

Parts are being manufactured and may take up to 8 weeks to be complete to start shipping out.

If you want to be on the waiting list please e-mail nick@norcaltruck.com

Thank you,
Nick

Just a heads up, keep the e-mails coming!!!! :ro) the more I get the more I can show Cognito that people want this kit ASAP!!!!

Remember you do not need to put down money on this waiting list. When pricing and eta comes out you will get a replying e-mail to see if you want to go forth with the waiting list with a deposit but till then there is no money involved!!!!!!

Attn: Sten H.
The e-mail that you sent for the waiting list will not allow me to reply. Please P/M me with a contact number.

Thanks.....

OK >>> the eta on this kit shipping is........ the week after SEMA !!!!! :rockit: We will start calling and e-mailing customers that have been on the waiting list over the next few weeks to give pricing out and see who is ready to get the first COGNITO 4-6 kits shiped or have installed.

SO, if you are on the waiting list find your tire and wheel combo and when we call or e-mail you let us know and we can do a package deal for you.

If you have any questions please e-mail nick@norcaltruck or call.

Thanks Nick

What is the advantage or even just differences between this kit and the Tuff Country one?

Will price be about the same?

Is there any idea of a price or price range.

Is there any idea of a price or price range.
I would guess it to be in the $1,600 range, but I could be way off.:)

This kit sounds interesting, but it sounds a lot like the tuff country kit????

OK >>> the eta on this kit shipping is........ the week after SEMA !!!!! :rockit: We will start calling and e-mailing customers that have been on the waiting list over the next few weeks to give pricing out and see who is ready to get the first COGNITO 4-6 kits shiped or have installed.

SO, if you are on the waiting list find your tire and wheel combo and when we call or e-mail you let us know and we can do a package deal for you.

If you have any questions please e-mail nick@norcaltruck or call.

Thanks Nick


Some good wheel/tire combo for us to consider would be great !!! :help:

If the Hummer tire/wheel combo works, then I would consider the lift, if not, then it isn't even in the running.
I have read/heard both sides, one saying it works, while the other saying it don't.:confused:

If the Hummer tire/wheel combo works, then I would consider the lift, if not, then it isn't even in the running.
I have read/heard both sides, one saying it works, while the other saying it don't.:confused:


Here is your answer in form of a photo ***http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22625&d=1154053209

What he said......

What size tires do you want run...?

I think that for most a 35" tire on a 8.5" wide wheel will be the best combo...with the least amount of airdam trimmage...if your not afraid of trimming a bit then a wider wheel/tire combo will work.

I am strongly considering this lift, Cognito 4-6", however, have a couple of questions. I would like to start off with the lift at approx 4" and possibly increase it a little after the wifele unit stops complaining about "how obnoxious that is, and how the children have trouble getting in it, and ...." well you get the idea.

How difficult is it to adjust a lift higher, in the above mentioned scenario, after the initial install?

What rims and tire sizes should I be considering? Keep in mind that I want minimal negative impact on mileage as possible with this lift and rim/tire combination but am willing to compromise a little to gain the aesthetics.

I want to get a 4" lift so I can change the oil without having to jack up the truck. Probably will run 285-75R16 tires.

What size tires do you want run...?

OK **
Tires and wheels - Todays market has a wide range of sizes. Width and Backspacing, so its hard to say if every combo will or will not work. If you have a combo that is odd please contact myself or Cognito Motorsports for help.

With that said:
set @ 4inch- 33's on a 8inch wide wheel
set @ 6inch- 35's on a 8inch wide wheel
315 H2 wheel combo w/ factory a-arm and no spacer
315 H2 wheel combo w/ Cognito a-arm and spacer at this time

Sorry if that doesn't answer all of you but I want it to be open since I can't cover every tire and wheel combo that is out there.

What he said......

We can come up with a combo for your set up to make sure your happy! Call me and we can go over some options for your truck.

**** COGNITO UPDATE *****

- Cognito just test fit there NEW upper a-arm with there 4"-6" HD kit and H2 wheels fit with out spacers.

- It is not sure yet if H2's will fit using old arms ?????


Cognito says that the replacement A-Arms that you get with the leveling kit will also be applicable with their other lift kits. Is that the case with the new 4"-6" kit?

Cognito says that the replacement A-Arms that you get with the leveling kit will also be applicable with their other lift kits. Is that the case with the new 4"-6" kit?

Yes...but as Nick stated above if you choose to run the H2 combo you will need to run spacers on the front...with the 4-6" kit you will need to use the upper arms if you plan on getting 6" out of the kit.

OK **
Tires and wheels - Todays market has a wide range of sizes. Width and Backspacing, so its hard to say if every combo will or will not work. If you have a combo that is odd please contact myself or Cognito Motorsports for help.

With that said:
set @ 4inch- 33's on a 8inch wide wheel
set @ 6inch- 35's on a 8inch wide wheel
315 H2 wheel combo w/ factory a-arm and no spacer
315 H2 wheel combo w/ Cognito a-arm and spacer at this time

Sorry if that doesn't answer all of you but I want it to be open since I can't cover every tire and wheel combo that is out there.

Thanks for clearing things up. As this thread had, the Hummer wheels work with FACTORY A-arms, then it was stated that was not true, and the aftermarket A-arms had to be used. I am looking for a 4-6 inch lift that uses factory width front track, (Or very, very close to factory!) and no wheel spacers to allow the use of the Hummer wheels, that I will NOT give up!

I am strongly considering this lift, Cognito 4-6", however, have a couple of questions. I would like to start off with the lift at approx 4" and possibly increase it a little after the wifele unit stops complaining about "how obnoxious that is, and how the children have trouble getting in it, and ...." well you get the idea.

How difficult is it to adjust a lift higher, in the above mentioned scenario, after the initial install?

What rims and tire sizes should I be considering? Keep in mind that I want minimal negative impact on mileage as possible with this lift and rim/tire combination but am willing to compromise a little to gain the aesthetics.
Once you set the hieght of the lift, you need to get a front end alignment, then if you make hieght adjustments, you will need a new alignment. However, if the new hieght is like 1/2" or less then you may be able to get by without realigning it. But if you are thinking of going from 4" to say, 5", or 6". An realignment is a must!

OK **
Tires and wheels - Todays market has a wide range of sizes. Width and Backspacing, so its hard to say if every combo will or will not work. If you have a combo that is odd please contact myself or Cognito Motorsports for help.

With that said:
set @ 4inch- 33's on a 8inch wide wheel
set @ 6inch- 35's on a 8inch wide wheel
315 H2 wheel combo w/ factory a-arm and no spacer
315 H2 wheel combo w/ Cognito a-arm and spacer at this time

Sorry if that doesn't answer all of you but I want it to be open since I can't cover every tire and wheel combo that is out there.


Nick

Any difference in ride quality or anything else for that matter, setting the kit at 4" versus 6" ??

Nick

Any difference in ride quality or anything else for that matter, setting the kit at 4" versus 6" ??

I know I am not Nick, but will throw my $.02 in... if you set the kit at 4" and then want to crank you MUST go with the new UCA to maintain proper alignment specs, balljoint angle and clearance at the UCA bumpstop for proper downward travel...if you keep your factory UCA and crank up to 6" it will suffer just like a stock truck does when cranked an additional 2".

I know I am not Nick, but will throw my $.02 in... if you set the kit at 4" and then want to crank you MUST go with the new UCA to maintain proper alignment specs, balljoint angle and clearance at the UCA bumpstop for proper downward travel...if you keep your factory UCA and crank up to 6" it will suffer just like a stock truck does when cranked an additional 2".


Just like all other Cognito lift kits it is recomened to add a A-arm kit to acheve full lift of kit.

Cognito says that the replacement A-Arms that you get with the leveling kit will also be applicable with their other lift kits. Is that the case with the new 4"-6" kit?


Yes, the a-arm used in the leveling kit is the same that is a up-grade for all othe Cognito kits.

Nick

Any difference in ride quality or anything else for that matter, setting the kit at 4" versus 6" ??


Nick ??:help2:

is this kit gonna work with tahoes.

Nick ??:help2:


As long as you run a a-arm upgrade and 5100's, I think you will be happy.

is this kit gonna work with tahoes.


WHAT:confused:

Oh, I know the answer.
1- it needs to be a blue tahoe
2- it has a duramax right
3- it needs to have 8 lugs
4- why did you ask about a tahoe? where did that come from?

:wtf: :wtf1: :banghead: :confuzeld

buddys gf is getting a tahoe, she wants to lift it, i want her to put a cognito on it, and you to possibly do the work. is that ok with you? :flipa:

As long as you run a a-arm upgrade and 5100's, I think you will be happy.

Is the a-arm upgrade coming in the standard Cog 4-6 kit ??

Singles or dual 5100's in the front ? I had 5100's on my last truck with a CST 6" lift and they did not overly impress me and they looked like crap going into the second year. I guess you need to polish these or something.

Is the a-arm upgrade coming in the standard Cog 4-6 kit ??

ya if you pay for it. its not standard in any of their kits.

buddys gf is getting a tahoe, she wants to lift it, i want her to put a cognito on it, and you to possibly do the work. is that ok with you? :flipa:


Sorry you posted about a 1/2 tahoe when we are talking about a HD lift. Yes Cognito makes a Tahoe kit but its not for the new body yet.

Is the a-arm upgrade coming in the standard Cog 4-6 kit ??

Singles or dual 5100's in the front ? I had 5100's on my last truck with a CST 6" lift and they did not overly impress me and they looked like crap going into the second year. I guess you need to polish these or something.

A-arms are an upgrade that is recomended when going 6" or if you want a stronger upper a-arm.

sh*t. I need to think before I post. 4 to 6 seems like a half ton lift. don't pay attention to me. lol

sh*t. I need to think before I post. 4 to 6 seems like a half ton lift. don't pay attention to me. lol

We don't pay attention to you cause your are stock ):h ..Whats up? you ready?:confuzeld

We don't pay attention to you cause your are stock ):h ..Whats up? you ready?:confuzeld

stock and fast.:D

no wait i got it. is cognito goin to come out with one for pre 07 tahoes? thats the question i was going for earlier.

i love stealing your threads.

A-arms are an upgrade that is recomended when going 6" or if you want a stronger upper a-arm.


No comment on the 5100' ??!!?? :confused:

No comment on the 5100' ??!!?? :confused:


Sorry ,, 5100's single are great. not sure why you didn't like them. Maybe the wrong valving:confuzeld

i would go doubles cause it looks cooler and theres a lot of mass up front for single shocks.

i would go doubles cause it looks cooler and theres a lot of mass up front for single shocks.

I had doubles and just didn't seem all that great. Who decides on how to valve ?

I had doubles and just didn't seem all that great. Who decides on how to valve ?

i may be wrong but for valving i think you have to step up to 7100s. then you decide how stiff you want them.

Valving is in every shock.lol

Different shocks may be used for different applications. In other words your shock may be the right size but unless you order it from someone who knows what they are doing. It may be valved generically, or wrong for the application.

The 7100's are rebuildable. I think thats what you meant. You can change how they are valved.

Valving is in every shock.lol

Different shocks may be used for different applications. In other words your shock may be the right size but unless you order it from someone who knows what they are doing. It may be valved generically, or wrong for the application.

The 7100's are rebuildable. I think thats what you meant. You can change how they are valved.

i meant with the 7100 you pick the length and then the valving of each shock as opposed them saying heres a shock for your truck.

^^^ If I sale a Cognito kit with singles or doubles I also get the shocks from them for the fact that they are valved for there kit. A off the self Fox, 5100, 7100 and others may work ok but can give you a bad ride per valving not being slow or fast enough. So when we all ask whats better singles or doubles? It pends what you want to see on your truck. The shocks, if purchased from myself or Cognito will be valved per your application.

I will add that doubles will be a better choice for trucks that see heavy off roading.

**** Kit update *****

Cognito 4-6 HD KITS will start shipping NOV. 06

If you have not e-mailed to be on the waiting list yet please do so. I will start calling and e-mailing off that list over the next couple of weeks. Please be patient as we are returning e-mails as fast as we can.

Thanks Nick
:thankyou2

1sic250, can you put me on the list and shoot me pricing too stepuptata@adelphia.net. Thanks,Troy.

1sic250, can you put me on the list and shoot me pricing too stepuptata@adelphia.net. Thanks,Troy.

If you can please e-mail me. I have it in order per date.. 1 st come 1st serve.
Thanks
nick@norcaltruck.com

im also considering this kit. does this kit use new knuckles or is it a full drop kit?

Wait, I know there's a waiting list for it to ship Nov. 8, but do we know what it is going to cost yet?

with all these kits going out I wonder if theres some rims and tires in my future.....;)

Is their a copy of the installation manual available?
I will possibly wait to see how the initial kit "kudos and/or complaints" pan out on this forum before I buy.

Ok ... This is the week we are taking deposits on the kits that will be shipping in the next few weeks pending where your order number is. I will try my best to get to every one as fast as possible. I have pricing and if your not on the list already then get on it.*** FIRST COME FIRST SERVE***

This kit is priced out just like all other Cognito kits...

Front box kit $1650.00

Then you have all your options. Please call and talk to me for your best bottom line pricing.

** This kit can be used with other Cognito products that some people have bought in the past. Upper Arms, shocks(5100), keys, ext...

FYI: Nor CAL Truck will be closed Oct. 30th and be open Nov. 6 again. SEMA :ro)

Thanks Nick

Darin300 can we get some photos posted of your install?

Thank you for the above info and please keep the forum informed.

Hmmm...I know its new and all, but anyone else notice that for $100 more you can buy the 7-9 front box kit??

*** Here are UP-DATED PIC'S ***

Cognito 4-6 set @ 4' running 33x12.50x18 Toyo's on a set of 18" KMC Chrome Hoss's

That's the height and stance that they should come from the factory with!

Hmmm...I know its new and all, but anyone else notice that for $100 more you can buy the 7-9 front box kit??

Most people don't want 7-9 inches of lift. I know a good 4-6 inch is just about perfect in my opinion.

that is wack :)

what parts are changed? complete front subframe? or just lift?

Taken orders now ........ who else ????
Feel free to call me and ask about the kit !!!

Any measurements like bottom of fenders bottom of rockers or top of cab or something?

Shot you a email about this kit....Its hot, but I like the H2 wheels on the first picture! I never heard will it require spacers? Thanks

Nick thanks for taking the time to talk with me regarding the kit and how its installed. Was a pleasure and hope we can get something together on this deal.. Now if I can get my H2 wheels..:grd:

Not to be a pain, but would this kit at 6" clear a 35x12.50 on a 10" wheel? I am very interested but need to make sure these wheels will clear. I know I will need A-Arms to go 6", also I am not a big fan of cutting my bumper.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111485

Not to be a pain, but would this kit at 6" clear a 35x12.50 on a 10" wheel? I am very interested but need to make sure these wheels will clear. I know I will need A-Arms to go 6", also I am not a big fan of cutting my bumper.

The off set (Or back spacing!) will have a lot to do with it fitting, or not. However my Nephew has an 02 GMC 2500HD with torsion bars cranked, and a 3" body lift, (For a total of about 5 1/2" of lift!) and he has lots of room to spare at the bumper, and wheel wells. He runs 315/75/16's on 16x10" rims with maybe 4 1/2" of back spacing at the most.

OK so I have read the 13 or so pages of posts here and wonder what to do……I just received my cognito leveling kit, shocks and pit arm kit. It is not installed yet and I really like the look of the new kit…..what to do?

Any photos up from the SEMA Booth on the new 4-6 inch lift?

Sell me what you have there and buy the new kit? ):h


OK....my kit is some what experienced in travel....so I will have to charge you 1650.00 for it.....:D

Here are some pictures from Sema. The truck looks good.

That is a very interesting system.

At what height is the setup?

I hope their is a patent application in for that design/system. I can see "others" duplicating it....

Oooooooooooh! I want! Won't someone PLEASE sell me one of these kits?

I really like the stock torsion bar setup. It keeps the crossmember up and out of the way. Absolutely beautiful!

An integrated skid plate and the diff is not exposed!!!!!

I wonder if Cognito is going to incorporate the "link arm" into their 7-9 lift kit system to keep the bars up.

A very clean install. The kit almost looks factory. GM may end up offering that as an upgrade ;)

I had pictured the torsion bars being relocated by using something like the one kit that is already out, but this is 100 times better. No worry about the rocking effect of the torsion bars getting caught, or bending something.

With this kit I can continue using my dual oil filter setup. (With something like the Real lift setup, I would have to remove it!)

That is a very interesting system.

At what height is the setup?

I hope their is a patent application in for that design/system. I can see "others" duplicating it....

That is set at the 4" Lift. It is a true 4" lift, and when combined with the upper A-Arm Leveling kit will give you the 6". That is what I understood. The upper A Arm kit is also not included in the kit.

An integrated skid plate and the diff is not exposed!!!!!

;)

HMMMMMMM.:confused: According to you and a bunch of other hypocrites the exposed diff. was not a problem.

Nice lookind kit, glad to see you finally added some protection. I like the design of the t-bar relocation as well. Should be a successful seller.

What parts if any needed to be "cut off"?

I did notice the long swaybar link in the photo #3.

I hope we can get an advance copy of the installation manual when they get back from SEMA.

Do you have pictures of the whole truck? I would like to see the whole truck..

Looks like the Rough Country lift. It looks like stock shocks are used as well which is good for those who have already upgraded

The one thing I see that I don't care for is that they use the shock mount as the mounting point for the lower arm. I wonder if that is going to cut it and if they made it so we can get full drop or if the shocks are still limiting it.

Well I guess with this 4-6 kit, you could go "car crushing at your local mall" without worrying about smacking the diff.:rolleyes:

HMMMMMMM.:confused: According to you and a bunch of other hypocrites the exposed diff. was not a problem.

Nice lookind kit, glad to see you finally added some protection. I like the design of the t-bar relocation as well. Should be a successful seller.

I looks like the lower shock spacer moves the shock the same amount as the lift, which would mean that the shock remains at the same area of travel as stock. So if you lift it to 6", the shock may be bottoming out?:confused:

The one thing I see that I don't care for is that they use the shock mount as the mounting point for the lower arm. I wonder if that is going to cut it and if they made it so we can get full drop or if the shocks are still limiting it.

I looks like the lower shock spacer moves the shock the same amount as the lift, which would mean that the shock remains at the same area of travel as stock. So if you lift it to 6", the shock may be bottoming out?:confused:


I would think that if you used the same stock shock, or the same length shock as the stock one, that you could have the same problem of the shock running out of travel.

Here is one more picture from the front.

The CV spacers only look about 1/4" thick. That only widens the front track 1/2" total! That could be the least of all the lift mfg's.

Here is one more picture from the front.

I think you may have the "shock bottom out issue" only if you run a stock length shock and have the lift max'd to 6". This would be like a stock truck w/ keys cranked 2".

I would think that if you used the same stock shock, or the same length shock as the stock one, that you could have the same problem of the shock running out of travel.

I wish there was a way to get the shock mounted to the lower control arm, instead of on top of the torsion bar. This would give a lot more shock travel, maybe 2-3" more. Just a thought.

I wish there was a way to get the shock mounted to the lower control arm, instead of on top of the torsion bar. This would give a lot more shock travel, maybe 2-3" more. Just a thought.
That would allow you to run a longer shock, but would not allow for any more travel as the droop stops are still in place. On another note I'm sure that you could just run the tbar into the stock LCA location and use a tbar crossmember dropdown bracket which would allow for the use of the factory shock mount on the LCA.
Overall I am very impressed with this kit and how its engineered...it has to be the most stock looking suspension lift out there...no huge front cage hanging down, no tbars hanging down...skid plated..:thumb: to Justin and the boys at Cognito.

I think you may have the "shock bottom out issue" only if you run a stock length shock and have the lift max'd to 6". This would be like a stock truck w/ keys cranked 2".

Yeah, that is what I meant. Sorry.

Looks an awful lot like this....

http://www.roughcountry.com/Graphics/LargePics/chevy_hd_298x.jpg

The torsion bar arms, the skid plate, the rear part of the mount....although the spacers look to be quite a bit thicker in the Rough Country kit adding to the front end width.

Looks an awful lot like this....

http://www.roughcountry.com/Graphics/LargePics/chevy_hd_298x.jpg

The torsion bar arms, the skid plate, the rear part of the mount....although the spacers look to be quite a bit thicker in the Rough Country kit adding to the front end width.

Wow..it does look very similar...be ineresting to see how minimal the cutting is...

Yeah, I did a search on a few other boards and didn't see a lot of following for the Rough Country.....will be interesting to see if the concept pays off for Cognito though. The minimal front end width and customer support from Cognito will more than likely sell most of the folks on here.....

That would allow you to run a longer shock, but would not allow for any more travel as the droop stops are still in place. On another note I'm sure that you could just run the tbar into the stock LCA location and use a tbar crossmember dropdown bracket which would allow for the use of the factory shock mount on the LCA.
Overall I am very impressed with this kit and how its engineered...it has to be the most stock looking suspension lift out there...no huge front cage hanging down, no tbars hanging down...skid plated..:thumb: to Justin and the boys at Cognito.

By no means did I mean this kit is poorly engineered. This is by far one of the nicest kits I have seen to date. I hope to be ordering one in early 07. Just can't decide between 4 or 6, and 305/55/20's or 35's. I am still new to lifts, but learning. My previous truck was a slammed S-10.

Yeah, I did a search on a few other boards and didn't see a lot of following for the Rough Country.....will be interesting to see if the concept pays off for Cognito though. The minimal front end width and customer support from Cognito will more than likely sell most of the folks on here.....

I think the problem for rough country is they got a bad name some years back (at least in Jeep circles) To this day I hear rough country and I think of rough riding (bad name choice LOL), and cheap lifts.

Same as the Pro comp (4WP red head stepchild) Don't get me wrong I've never run either lift, and people who have run them love them.

Once the 4-6" kit comes out for SUV's I'll be getting it for the Burb (I HAVE to go low to get it in the garage :( )

looks good, but I don't like the way the torsion bar is kept in same location. i don't like the way the shock mount set up is. i think it would be better off with the shock mounting to the lower control arm as well as the t-bar going to the lower control arm. i think it would be better just to use t bar relocators or use the t-bar crossmember drop down brackets as in other kits.

looks good, but I don't like the way the torsion bar is kept in same location. i don't like the way the shock mount set up is. i think it would be better off with the shock mounting to the lower control arm as well as the t-bar going to the lower control arm. i think it would be better just to use t bar relocators or use the t-bar crossmember drop down brackets as in other kits.

I can't think of any advantage to dropping the torsion bars down. They function identically the way this kit is configured, but leave the crossmember up and out of the way instead of dropping it down to snag on things. The shock mounts wouldn't make any functional difference if they were attached lower either. The range of shock travel would be identical, it would just take a longer shock to reach. Again, I don't see the benefit from attaching at a lower point on the control arm assembly. Please explain your thinking.

Looks an awful lot like this....

http://www.roughcountry.com/Graphics/LargePics/chevy_hd_298x.jpg

The torsion bar arms, the skid plate, the rear part of the mount....although the spacers look to be quite a bit thicker in the Rough Country kit adding to the front end width.


Oh My God, AHAAAHAAAHAAA! it does look the same! Good eye!
Just like Rancho and RCD are the same!


I can hear the "Flock of sheep" now!.............. "But Cognito is better".


Gotta love the "Sheep" in this world.

Oh My God, AHAAAHAAAHAAA! it does look the same! Good eye!
Just like Rancho and RCD are the same!


I can hear the "Flock of sheep" now!.............. "But Cognito is better".


Gotta love the "Sheep" in this world.

Does that kit use the torsion bar relocation bracket like Cognito? (I can not tell in that picture) One plus I could see in that picture, was that Cognito's spacer is atleast 1/2 the thickness, and that to me is a huge plus. That, and the biggest plus, is the fact that Hummer wheels can be used with the 4-6" Cognito lift without wheel spacers. (That alone make Cognito 100 times better, because, I will never give up my chromed Hummer wheels for a lift kit.!)

Yep, the t-bar re-location is the same. I personally think it is a good design.I never liked the Real-lift t-bar relocators.

Maybe it's the angle of the pic. but the spacers on the cognito look like a 1/2" thick to me.

guess here we can see how the roughcountry "cantilever" priciple looks like. the shook seems to be mounted different but you can see that the torsion bar is stock mounted...

http://www.roughcountry.com/Graphics/LargePics/chevy_arms-truck.jpg

This thread has been "cleaned up".. Keep the personal stabs and general off topic chit chat to a minimum please. Make sure you are posting something on the lift or about the lift in the future. All other off topic posts will be warned and removed from this point forward.

In order to get a level truck with this 4-6" lift, would I have to crank the torsion bars? Personally, I want to level my truck and fit 35's under it. This probably requires 6-inches in the front and around 4-inches in the rear. Will this lift do this for me? I don't want to lose my ride quality by cranking the torsion bars a full 2-inches.

In order to get a level truck with this 4-6" lift, would I have to crank the torsion bars? Personally, I want to level my truck and fit 35's under it. This probably requires 6-inches in the front and around 4-inches in the rear. Will this lift do this for me? I don't want to lose my ride quality by cranking the torsion bars a full 2-inches.
Or you could use a smaller lift block in the rear. Also with the right trimming you can fit 35's on a stock truck, so on 4" of lift it should be easy. And t-bar crank 2" and under doesn't affect your ride much at all.

Not to be a pain, but would this kit at 6" clear a 35x12.50 on a 10" wheel? I am very interested but need to make sure these wheels will clear. I know I will need A-Arms to go 6", also I am not a big fan of cutting my bumper.


You can run 35's but I think you might be better off with a Cognito 7-9 set @ 7 to run 35's with out cutting.

Here is a pic of a 7-9 set @7 w/35's
http://www.norcaltruck.com/gallery/chevy/26/01.jpg
http://www.norcaltruck.com/gallery/chevy/26/03.jpg

1sic250, Thanks for the reply. Your post and knowledge are very well appreciated.

Here are pics of Cognito's SEMA booth. This is the 2nd 4-6 2500HD kit. If you are interested in purchasing this kit please call or e-mail to get more information on this new kit. We are back from Sema and have a lot of calls coming in but we want to talk to you !! Kits are shipping this month so let me know .......

Spec. Cognto 4-6 set @ 4" and 2.5" block Toyo 33's muds on KMC 18" HOSS's

Looks nice Nick...one question...how much cutting needs to be done to the front diff.??

After placing my order for one of these lifts I had to Photoshop what my truck will look like with a 6" lift and 35's. Here's a rough interpretation. I like it! :D

Shawn

There's those damn KMC Hoss wheels again......:rolleyes: ):h

There's those damn KMC Hoss wheels again......:rolleyes: ):h

Yep! Look good, don't they? Mine should arrive any day now. :cool:

Looks nice Nick...one question...how much cutting needs to be done to the front diff.??

I asked this same question at the show and Justin told me its about the same as other kits, nip off the support ear on top of the differential. I would like to have read the install instructions.

So if the h2 wheels will fit with the lift would A 17x9 with 5.7 backspace clear all right? Seems it should since the h2 wheels is 17x8.5 with 5.5 backspace.This kit looks sweet...

There's those damn KMC Hoss wheels again......:rolleyes: ):h


Darn things are startin to get played out like the rockstars......:lol:

Darn things are startin to get played out like the rockstars......:lol:

ya and i was gonna run those after i decided against the rock stars. now everyone has them. wtf?

I asked this same question at the show and Justin told me its about the same as other kits, nip off the support ear on top of the differential. I would like to have read the install instructions.

The cut that needs to be made on the 7-9 kit is BELOW the front differential. There is an area just off the frame that does not allow the front diff to drop down, I believe that is where the cut needs to be made (if it is similar to the other kits).

I asked this same question at the show and Justin told me its about the same as other kits, nip off the support ear on top of the differential. I would like to have read the install instructions.
His "other kits" or other kits as in other manufacturers?? If the front diff does not need to be cut that is a huge plus for this kit...if it does then looks like a 7-9" in my future.

The cut that needs to be made on the 7-9 kit is BELOW the front differential. There is an area just off the frame that does not allow the front diff to drop down, I believe that is where the cut needs to be made (if it is similar to the other kits).

Other Cognito kits

His "other kits" or other kits as in other manufacturers?? If the front diff does not need to be cut that is a huge plus for this kit...if it does then looks like a 7-9" in my future.

who knows for sure if the front diff upper mounting eye needs to be cut off? I did not like cutting that off on my other 2 trucks, I would rather not do it again. If it stays, this kit is starting to grow on me and will very likely make my truck grow;):ro)

any updates? do you have to cut the diff or not:confused:

Yes you must cut the diff to clear the steering. Cognito also now offers there fix for diff ears. Thats if you ever want to return to stock or change lift kits. See other post I started.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114044

Thanks
Nick

Will this kit fit a 3500 single rear wheel? I would like to run 4" in the front and 3-3.5" in the rear and run 33x12.5's on 16x8's. Any suggestions for lifting the rear? I tow 10K off and on.

Thanks,

Will this kit fit a 3500 single rear wheel? I would like to run 4" in the front and 3-3.5" in the rear and run 33x12.5's on 16x8's. Any suggestions for lifting the rear? I tow 10K off and on.

Thanks,


Yes it will work. Please feel free to call me and I can help you with your options.

Thanks Nick

Thanks, I Will call you when I get some time.

I am curious. Why did Cognito throw away the Tubular "X" design on this kit.
The new kit really looks like they copied Rough Country or they bought the rights to Rough Country's design.

Any input?

uh.

And do what, build it out of half inch tubing.:lol:

a 4" crossmember is pretty short to be doing a tubular X design.

a 4" crossmember is pretty short to be doing a tubular X design.
agreed

a 4" crossmember is pretty short to be doing a tubular X design.


Yea, this kit doesn't have a big drop cross member so I like the short clean look they did.

I'm not a guy for a 4-6inch kit myself but I still like it. :thumb:

Well at least there is a skid-plate and a crossmember to protect the front. It is a good design. Just like all of the other Manufacturers who make lift kits in this size.

ok, This kit looks good to me. My original plan was to run 33's I'm debating 315's now. I want the block in the back to be 3 inches and the front to set about 4 or 4 1/2 inches. I like having a little rake towards the front, no way do I want my front to set higher than the back. I like my tires to stick out just a little bit, but not way out there, just enough to make it look tough. So saying this does anyone have an idea what would be the best set up for tires and rim sizes for this height? I dont want to have much clearing issues, but I also dont want 33's to look small.

Has anyone on here put this kit on they're trucks yet? Ease of install? Pics? I'm thinking for what I want this is the kit for me, but I'm going to be doing it myself and want to see what others have experienced. I could do the CST kit as well, but for what I'm looking for this is more the kit for me. Would I still need the GM Upgrade Steering kit using this? All the trucks I've had in the past have been lifted prior to me buying them. This will be my first lift myself, but as much wrenching as I do I don't think I'll have a bit of problems.

If the install instructions were available for download to review, this kit wouldn't stay on the shelf for long....

We have the first kits coming in some time this week. The first guy in line for install is a local member on this site and we will post pic's of the install for all to see. There are + & -'s of posting the install sheets for all to see, so for now that is what we have to use till the install sheets are 100% done.


Thanks Nick

We have the first kits coming in some time this week. The first guy in line for install is a local member on this site and we will post pic's of the install for all to see. There are + & -'s of posting the install sheets for all to see, so for now that is what we have to use till the install sheets are 100% done.


Thanks Nick

And I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, This kit looks good to me. My original plan was to run 33's I'm debating 315's now. I want the block in the back to be 3 inches and the front to set about 4 or 4 1/2 inches. I like having a little rake towards the front, no way do I want my front to set higher than the back. I like my tires to stick out just a little bit, but not way out there, just enough to make it look tough. So saying this does anyone have an idea what would be the best set up for tires and rim sizes for this height? I dont want to have much clearing issues, but I also dont want 33's to look small.


anyone?

anyone?

I have a 4-6 kit on order, so I can't say from first hand experience yet, but from talking with Nick it sounds like you wouldn't have any problem. You'd probably have to do a bit of trimming on the front air dam, but that's nothing that 5 minutes with an exacto knife wouldn't fix.

I'm going with 325/65-18's (35x13's) with a full 6-inch lift in the front and 4 in the rear. I'm told it should fit. Wow, those are some huge-looking tires out in my shed though!

anyone?

What wheel size are you going with?

I'm looking to go with 18" not sure on width and tire size yet. I don't want the tires to stick out too far past the fender flares.

Well after thinking about this and talking with Nick I'm thinking this is the kit I want to go with although the pic I'm posting is of the CST kit....its still the 6" lift...And I like the tires and wheels which are the Weld Rubicons and 35" Toyo's

But I'm going to go with the Cognito kit and 18x9 Ultra Predators with the Toyo after I see the install pics.

And I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is the lucky guy that is having the first Cognito 4-6 installed at Nor Cal Truck. We will be taking pic's as we do the install and will try to have them posted by Saterday/Sunday. So keep checking back.

Oh and there are still kits available to ship by the end of the month.

I'm so glad that so many of you have been calling for this 4-6 kit and Cognito products over all, but please bare with me being able to call back or just getting me on the first try. I want to talk to you all and give as many answers to each of you.


Thanks Nick :D

How many kits are left? I am selling everything I own for this kit.

Anyone need a kidney?

Is that a left or right kidney?:badidea:

So did Cognito buy the rights to Rough Country's kit, or did they copy it? Never got an answer there.

Originally Posted by copter http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1406765#post1406765)
And I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the lucky guy that is having the first Cognito 4-6 installed at Nor Cal Truck. We will be taking pic's as we do the install and will try to have them posted by Saterday/Sunday. So keep checking back.

Oh and there are still kits available to ship by the end of the month.

I'm so glad that so many of you have been calling for this 4-6 kit and Cognito products over all, but please bare with me being able to call back or just getting me on the first try. I want to talk to you all and give as many answers to each of you.


Thanks Nick :D

>>>>>UPDATE<<<<<

The kit is being installed as I type this..... And the pics should be up as soon as Nick can get them posted.. The kit will be set at 4" so it will be a mild lift.

>>>>>UPDATE<<<<<

The kit is being installed as I type this..... And the pics should be up as soon as Nick can get them posted.. The kit will be set at 4" so it will be a mild lift.

reason you didn't go 6" I'm liking the looks of the 6" lift better all the time, but main reason I've waited is to see pics of your truck before I decide.

>>>>>UPDATE<<<<<

The kit is being installed as I type this..... And the pics should be up as soon as Nick can get them posted.. The kit will be set at 4" so it will be a mild lift.

Hopfully he starts a new thread for the install pix. This one get off topic to easily.

Hopfully he starts a new thread for the install pix. This one get off topic to easily.

Hopfully people start getting their kits so we can start another thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So did Cognito buy the rights to Rough Country's kit, or did they copy it? Never got an answer there.


Rough Country was not the first to build a kit that does not drop down the torsion bars.

>>>>>UPDATE<<<<<

The kit is being installed as I type this..... And the pics should be up as soon as Nick can get them posted.. The kit will be set at 4" so it will be a mild lift.




--- OK ---
Truck is done and I will have full pic's including install up in the morning. But for now.....

Looks good I'm looking forward to seeing the other pics. How did the install go on a difficulty level? Find any hidden problems? Is that at 6 or 4?

What's with all the black wheels of late?-:t

Black is the "new" chrome...

Well over all the kit is a straight foward install. This kit takes care of the void in the 4-6 market that Cognito never had. I recommend this kit 100% to a do-it-yourself guy or for the guy that has been there and did that and wants more out of a suspension package. Cognito insn't the company to market a "budget" kit. Instead they want to custom tailor a kit for your needs. Please feel free to contact me, Nick @ Nor Cal, or Cognito Motorsports to find out the best combo for your needs.

** Truck 2006 LBZ 2500HD
Cognito 4-6 Kit set@ 5" w/3" rear block
33x12.50x18 Toyo Muds
18" KMC black Diesels


Cognito 4-6 kit Pros:
- Spindle kit for strength, with only a 1/2" wider stance on either side
- Non-Torsion bar drop, for great looks & off-road clearance
- $216.00 Idler & Pitman Arm brace kit INCLUDED
- Accomodates 33" tires standard, & 35" tires with available upgrades that will not compromise your ride
- Front diff skid plate
- Low-profile front drop cross member
- Capable of achieving factory alignment specs
- Will accept factory length front shocks if desired
- Will fit 2001-2007 2WD & 4WD 8-Lug GM vehicles
- Will accept up to a 5.5" backspaced wheel
- Install can be completed within 6-8 hours

Cognito 4-6 kit Cons:
- Front diff upper-ear must be cut to clear steering components (new upper ear replacement mount available through Cognito)
see post : http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114044
- Kit will not install itself ):h


Thanks
Nick Vazquez
Owner
www.NorCalTruck.com (http://www.NorCalTruck.com)

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[quote=1sic250;1420220;]- Front diff upper-ear must be cut to clear steering components (new upper ear replacement mount available through Cognito)

Nick,

Do you have any of these? I need one.

Chad

[quote=1sic250;1420220;]- Front diff upper-ear must be cut to clear steering components (new upper ear replacement mount available through Cognito)

Nick,

Do you have any of these? I need one.

Chad




Yes, Call me Mon. and I can ship you one.... I'm not at the shop today. Sorry

I get in about 7am.....

Thanks Nick. I will call you on Monday.

looks good. any pics of it before the lift from the side for a better side comparision? also what is the wheel width and backspacing?

I'm also concerned about the CV Joint angle issue.....almost looks like the same angle you see from cranking up your torsion bars.

Truck looks good Nick...though I would have thought that the cv angles would have been flatter/better...almost like the diff. should have been dropped more...also in this pic why does it look like there is a huge clearance issue between the tierod and the swaybar??
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28949&d=1163967561

I'm also wondering what 8.1Gasser pointed out.

Looks good but would look a lot better with some 35's.

What's with all the black wheels of late?-:t

I'm not a real big fan either but it's not my truck.

Here are the pic's of the SEMA truck set @ 4" on 33"
The kit is 4-6 inchs, you can run as low as 4" like this truck or run higher like the truck we just did. Yes we could have run it lower but thats all self preference of how you want it to look.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28018&d=1162839577

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28021&d=1162839577

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28014&d=1162839577

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28016&d=1162839577

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28017&d=1162839577

Truck looks good Nick...though I would have thought that the cv angles would have been flatter/better...almost like the diff. should have been dropped more...also in this pic why does it look like there is a huge clearance issue between the tierod and the swaybar??
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28949&d=1163967561




I had the wheels fully cranked, yes there is still space between the tie rod and sway bar. Just the angle of the pic.

I had the wheels fully cranked, yes there is still space between the tie rod and sway bar. Just the angle of the pic.

So at 5" are the CV joints still at those angles? The pic of the SEMA truck showed them pretty much like factory. I was thinking I like the look of the 5" lift but it concerns me with the CV angles as I do alot of highway driving at higher speeds and they are always turning...Reason I'd rather go with a lift than crank the TB's.

looks good. any pics of it before the lift from the side for a better side comparision? also what is the wheel width and backspacing?

bump

Originally Posted by Z71offroader http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1420253#post1420253)
looks good. any pics of it before the lift from the side for a better side comparision? also what is the wheel width and backspacing?


18x9 KMC Black Diesels and I'm not sure on the back spacing... I'll find out and post it.

So far I'm loving the kit. The ride is better than factory. I want to thank Nick and the crew at NorCal Truck for a great job and an incredible turn around.:ro) :ro)


Money well spent!!!!!!!!!!!

So far I'm loving the kit. The ride is better than factory. I want to thank Nick and the crew at NorCal Truck for a great job and an incredible turn around.:ro) :ro)


Money well spent!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you loose any noticeable power or braking ablility?

So, do I need any special tools to do this? I see you used a C-clamp in one of the photos. Does this work fine for replacing the torsion key with a green key? Any suggestions for a driveway installation?

copter;
The wheels should be 0 offset, which equates to 4.5" on a 9" wide wheel.

what size rear block was used on this lift?

So, do I need any special tools to do this? I see you used a C-clamp in one of the photos. Does this work fine for replacing the torsion key with a green key? Any suggestions for a driveway installation?

That is a torsion bar unloading tool. Don't use a C-clamp.

what size rear block was used on this lift?
** Truck 2006 LBZ 2500HD
Cognito 4-6 Kit set@ 5" w/3" rear block
33x12.50x18 Toyo Muds
18" KMC black Diesels

18x9 KMC Black Diesels and I'm not sure on the back spacing... I'll find out and post it.

thanks! that will be the same size wheel im wanting to get with 4.5" BS with the same tire im wanting. do you kno what height the tires ended up being on the truck? and i see those are what you were running before the lift, what all did u have to do to fit them?

What a-arms were used for the install?

copter;
The wheels should be 0 offset, which equates to 4.5" on a 9" wide wheel.

I believe on a 9" wheel, 0 offset would equate to 5" backspace.

why does it look like there is a huge clearance issue between the tierod and the swaybar??
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28949&d=1163967561

That looks like a bad design there. From the looks of the picture, there is NO way the Super Diesel tie-rod sleeves would fit.-:t

I believe on a 9" wheel, 0 offset would equate to 5" backspace.

Are you sure? 5" + 5" doesn't = 9". I think it is 4.5. Can anyone verify?

Are you sure? 5" + 5" doesn't = 9". I think it is 4.5. Can anyone verify?

Rim width is measured inside to inside on the bead mounting surfaces. Backspace is measured from the hub mount surface to the extreme inner edge of the rim. On 9" rim with 0 offset it would be 4.5" from the hub mounting surface to the inside of the inner bead surface. You would need to add the thickness of the edge of the rim to this number to get the backspace number. The thickness would vary from one model or maker of rim to the next, but 3/8" is probably a pretty good estimate. So in this case the backspace would be approximately 4 7/8". 5" would be a pretty safe number for judging whether the rim would fit or not.

I have a few more questions? Will this kit clear my Fabtech tierods? Is it possible to upgrade to a rear spring instead of a block? Will the factory skip plates still work? Also, What makes it 6", just the arms or do you have to crank the torsion bars as well? Sorry, but I am beginning to the IFS lift scene.

if there are any clearance issues with the sway bar and tie-rod, what about flipping and reversing the sway-bar and then using the factory end-links?

I know the fabtech 8" kit does this which allows for alot of clearance.

also, i know the other 4-6" knuckle (rcd, rancho, etc...) kits have long sway-bar end-links that allow enough clearance

if there are any clearance issues with the sway bar and tie-rod, what about flipping and reversing the sway-bar and then using the factory end-links?


You must have been reading my mind...I also believe that with the 10-12 Cognito kit the swaybar is flipped/reversed...but as Nick said it could be the angle of the picture...

If there is a clearance issue I am sure Justin and Chad are figuring it out as their tie-rod steering upgrade would be an issue too

Rim width is measured inside to inside on the bead mounting surfaces. Backspace is measured from the hub mount surface to the extreme inner edge of the rim. On 9" rim with 0 offset it would be 4.5" from the hub mounting surface to the inside of the inner bead surface. You would need to add the thickness of the edge of the rim to this number to get the backspace number. The thickness would vary from one model or maker of rim to the next, but 3/8" is probably a pretty good estimate. So in this case the backspace would be approximately 4 7/8". 5" would be a pretty safe number for judging whether the rim would fit or not.


Makes total sense. Thanks....

Truck looks good Nick...though I would have thought that the cv angles would have been flatter/better...almost like the diff. should have been dropped more...also in this pic why does it look like there is a huge clearance issue between the tierod and the swaybar??
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28949&d=1163967561 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28949&d=1163967561)
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Those angles look good. :crazy:

looks good. any pics of it before the lift from the side for a better side comparision? also what is the wheel width and backspacing?
Hope this helps

Did you loose any noticeable power or braking ablility?

Not at all...

Looks good but would look a lot better with some 35's.

Its coming down about an inch in the morning so it will look better with the 33's. I'll post the pics after we get it off the lift.

Its coming down about an inch in the morning so it will look better with the 33's. I'll post the pics after we get it off the lift.

Why you dropping it?

I wanted it at 4" and now its around to 5" or 6". I have a toy hauler and just wanted a mild lift so it would still look/work good with the trailer. I also didn't want the cv angles to be an issue either.

The truck looked good with the t-bars cranked but I wanted just a little more and lifted right......

Hope this helps

Thanks!

Do you have any new pics since you lowered it down to 4"?

What Size Wheels And Tires Are On The Sema Truck? Whats The Backspace?

Time to put this thread down....

I started a new thread that has the new pic's with the truck set at 4". Please use new thread to post....

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117510

Hope this is what all you guys are looking for. Sorry that the first pic's were at wrong setting. We started the install late Friday night and looked at the truck when it was dark and it looked good but the next day when I got it back from the alignment shop she was to tall. I still posted it so you could see something. Its all to the stance it should have been now.


Many thanks to Diesel Place member / Copter for letting us use his truck as the first install. :ro)

Thanks
Nick

I wanted it at 4" and now its around to 5" or 6". I have a toy hauler and just wanted a mild lift so it would still look/work good with the trailer. I also didn't want the cv angles to be an issue either.

The truck looked good with the t-bars cranked but I wanted just a little more and lifted right......

Yeah, you really dwarfed those wheels with the lift. Was that the same wheel tire combo on before the lift? If it cleared with no lift...why lift?
ac

Yeah, you really dwarfed those wheels with the lift. Was that the same wheel tire combo on before the lift? If it cleared with no lift...why lift?
ac


He was able to drive with that combo but it didn't clear cleanly so that's why he went with a lift. Also he got his tire and wheel combo before the lift came out so he ran them till we installed the kit.

Here are pics of Cognito's SEMA booth. This is the 2nd 4-6 2500HD kit. If you are interested in purchasing this kit please call or e-mail to get more information on this new kit. We are back from Sema and have a lot of calls coming in but we want to talk to you !! Kits are shipping this month so let me know .......

Spec. Cognto 4-6 set @ 4" and 2.5" block Toyo 33's muds on KMC 18" HOSS's


Anyone know the backspacing on these wheels in this picture?

I wanna say 5"...

The Diesels we used on Copter's truck where 18x9 5"b.s

Link to Copter's build:
http://norcaltruck.com/cognito-4-6.html

I must say, you pulled this out from a few pages back...


Nor-Cal Nick

yes I did, just wondering between a 4.5 or 5" backspaced wheel. I know its minor but its something.

I'll make sure mon......


Nor-Cal Nick

what does the 4-6 in go for$ ?

what does the 4-6 in go for$ ?


To see more on this kit click:

http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito.html



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Nor-Cal Nick

perfect !!!

perfect !!!


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OK a question, I'm thinking of a 36x13.5 swamper on my 20's will this kit with the torsions cranked work right? I have on it now the cognito leveling with 305/55/20's(33.2x12) and only have clearence issues on extreme cuts. will this kit work for these????

think you will need more than 4-6" to clear some 36" swampers, most swamper run very true to size

think you will need more than 4-6" to clear some 36" swampers, most swamper run very true to size

That's what i'm scared of, I was looking for a 35 inch on the 20's I had but, the price per tire is just soo high. I can get the swampers for about the same price I paid for the 305 Nitto's that are already on it.

If they can run a 6" lift with 37's--> (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131945) then I think you would be fine.

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Hurry up and post up pics of Sals truck.......:D