HI!:) QUICK QUESTION FOR THE GUYS WHO KNOW DIESELS? IS THE EGR BLOCKER PLATE AND FINGER STICK A MUST HAVE FOR THE NEW LBZ. ONLY HAVE 1400 MILES ON MY RIDE AND A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PROBLEM. THANKS (2006 LBZ= ONE BAD BOWTIE:chevy:)

Potential Problems? From the EGR Blocker or from not using the EGR Blocker? I put mine in last weekend along with turbo back exhaust. Runs great no codes and better diesel mileage. Fewer particles going back into the engine = longer life. Personally I like my vehicle beter now that the exhaust is where it is suppose to be. I cant say from experience since mine is fairly new but others would probably tell you the same thing. All I see are benefits.

L

are you saying you installed a EGR blocker and have no codes. or did you also install the fingerstick? thats the only thing stoping me from installing a EGR blocker is i dont want to install a fingerstick to keep codes from showing up.

No I Do Not Have One Installed, But In Reading Some Forums Some Guys Make It Sound Like Its The Right Thing To Install

why dont you want to install the fingerstick.

I Don't Have Either One Installed. Just Wanted To Know If It Is Woth The Hassel.

of course it is worth the hassel

would you take all that black smoke and soot that is comming out your exhaust, and then dump it back into the intake? because that is exactly what the egr is doing

Yes I did install the finger stick..oosel-Why don't you want to install it?

Not that much of a hassel; Took me less than 1.5 hours to do both.

Second on what BigShrimpah said!!

L

I am tierd of clearing codes. Only time i have a code is when towing,after a fuel stop. Blocker & finger stick on its way

I've got the same question as nosparkplus....... happy w/performance, would like a little better fuel milage, but it could be implied that without the mod, potential problems may result.

I have my blocker plate and finger stick in my desk drawer, just received it today. Waiting for the weekend to install it, it makes perfect sense to me what everybody else is saying.
Thanks for a great site!

of course it is worth the hassel

would you take all that black smoke and soot that is comming out your exhaust, and then dump it back into the intake? because that is exactly what the egr is doing

Its like watching your dog take a crap and then eat it. Its not good for either of you.

I Don't Have Either One Installed. Just Wanted To Know If It Is Woth The Hassel.

No, its not a hassel at all. Get a blocker plate and the stick.
Your truck will love you.

Where can you buy these kits? Or where is the best place to buy them?

Thanks

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59773

www.kennedydiesel.com (http://www.kennedydiesel.com)

L

Yes I did install the finger stick..oosel-Why don't you want to install it?

Not that much of a hassel; Took me less than 1.5 hours to do both.

Second on what BigShrimpah said!!

L


Its not that i dont think i can do it, it looks simple as can be I do stuff like that every day. I just dont like doing anything illreversable that might give the dealer a reason to void my warrenty or just give me a hard time. I could deal with the blocker plate because I could allways take it off and be back to stock. but after cuting the wires to install the finger stick they could allways tell it was tampered with. Im probably just paranoid! lol But I do understand the reason for installing a blocker plate and think its a good idea, I will probably do it sooner or later.

I installed mine like 3 months ago, it works good. Just make sure you solder and not splice or crimp.:snipersmi

Okay so if i want to go open exhaust(remove cat and muff leave 3" factory) just get the plate and finger stick. and Im good to go

Okay so if i want to go open exhaust(remove cat and muff leave 3" factory) just get the plate and finger stick. and Im good to go

That is correct

Just did mine this evening. Took about 1.5 hours. Take the extra time and solder the connections

but after cuting the wires to install the finger stick they could allways tell it was tampered with. Im probably just paranoid!

I understand your concern, but after the stick is installed you put it back in the harness and close it all back. Not noticeable at all.
If you interested I can send a couple pictures I took last week of a install on my truck at Finger's garage.
Some of the pics came out, some didn't but I'll send them out to anyone interested. :)

I am interested.

I am interested.

Get me a email addess and I send you some pics.
You can PM me.

I have pictures in my garage of the stick and plate. I took mine apart a little more than you have to just to see how much soot build up was in there after 6000 miles.:eek: Check out my pictures for your self and see how much soot is in there.

-:t Its like watching your dog take a crap and then eat it. Its not good for either of you.

Can you email me pics..,. Sent PM...

Thanks

I called the diesel mechanic at the dealership & asked him about the egr blocker plate. He told me to do it & save myself a headache in the long run. They said they would not void my warranty with it installed either. Just leave it in even is I need serve. Gm is having problem with the egr valve & they are needed alot of them for replacement. They can not keep any in stock because they need so many.

John

With all the stories of failing EGR valves i say we are doing them a favor. We're helping to free up the supply of parts, free up hours, cost GM less money :hail:. All they need to do is look the other way for emitions reasons :thumb:

As I said in another thread, I wouldn't surprised if dealers start calling JK for blocker packages just to avoid this warranty issue. It's been almost a year now that we have been hearing about EGR failures and the backlog for new valves...

I haven't been keeping track, but has there been a "NO" reply to this thread?:muahaha:

SnowBandit, CRASHNBURN, pics sent.

does anyone have a pic of the blocker plate installed, when i attempted to install mine it would not sit flush with the egr valve and tube and would still stick up about 1/2 inch or so
TIA

I understand the reluctance to start cutting & rewiring a $40,000 truck, especially with warranty a concern. I'm on the edge myself, but since there doesn't seem to have been any problems, I might just do it.

The blocker plate itself looks pretty simple, but the fingerstick is "black magic" to me!

Is there only 1 manufacturer of both items or are they available from several different places? If so, who seems to have the best product & prices?

Also, how big a difference does removing the cat make? Do you have to replace it with a straightpipe?

does anyone have a pic of the blocker plate installed, when i attempted to install mine it would not sit flush with the egr valve and tube and would still stick up about 1/2 inch or so
TIA

Shouldn't stick up that much. If you PM me a email address I'll send you a pic of mine installed.

When you are installing the blocker, when you have it in as you do you can actually use a screwdriver and push aganist the blocker plate to push the flange back enough to get the plate the rest of the way in.

Just put mine in today. If im lucky i can go ride the dunes tomorrow.Check it with a load

Ok I have read enough I ordering mine today. 1400 miles of egr soot is to much.EGR BE GONE........

I'm Going To Order Mine Tommorow, Can't Argue With Riccas Post. Later

I installed my blocker plate and Finger stick yesterday. It's working great so far. :) Thanks Fingers!

Shawn

my 97 1/2 ton diesel had an EGR and after about 240,000 kms the motor seemed to have lost power and wasn't running well. The engine light was on. I just blamed it on my 4" straight piped exhaust and bigger injectors until I opened up the top half of the intake manifold. The back two runners had almost completely blocked off with soot. It took me a long time to get the intake cleaned up. That stuff is like dog ****. It gets everywhere and doesn't come off. Started it up and the engine light went out. A friend of mine has a '98 and had the same problem.

That is why I bought my '03, no cat or EGR but now I am looking at the '06 and that will be my first mod.

I'm convinced. Can someone please explain what a finger stick does? Is it a necessary mod WITH the egr blockoff? Thanks.

I have already had issues with the MAF sensor throwing codes all winter... So I am real worried about doing the finger stick... Is there anyway to get connectors to make a by pass??? So I can quickly connect and disconnect the finger stick???? Anyone know??


Thanks

I have already had issues with the MAF sensor throwing codes all winter... So I am real worried about doing the finger stick... Is there anyway to get connectors to make a by pass??? So I can quickly connect and disconnect the finger stick???? Anyone know??


Thanks

You could solder pigtails with insulated spade connectors into the harness and put the corresponding connector on each lead of the stick. Mine is done this way and I have had no issues.

You could solder pigtails with insulated spade connectors into the harness and put the corresponding connector on each lead of the stick. Mine is done this way and I have had no issues.

hey thats a good idea! I never thought of that.

Just finished mine today. I soldered the connections, put shrink wrap on, then put a larger (3/4 inch) wire loom over the original wire loom and finger stick and wrapped with electrical tape. Since the 06 is different than the install pictures, I also put a 1/2 inch wire loom over the blue wire to the EGR plug wires. Looks great. If I remember tomorrow I will post some pictures. Anyhow, drove around and no codes or light!! I keep looking at the dash - it looks different now that the light is gone!!:cool2:

You could solder pigtails with insulated spade connectors into the harness and put the corresponding connector on each lead of the stick. Mine is done this way and I have had no issues.

You have any pics of this??? Did you have to cut anything??? I am worried my dealer will give me trouble if I have trouble with the MAF sensor again... Already had it replaced once... Dam thing was reporting -40 always to the motor...

You have any pics of this??? Yes, in my garage.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=10659

There's another one there as well.

Did you have to cut anything???
Well, yea. The one wire gets cut, the others just get the insulation pulled back enough to tap into them.

Ok, I'm doing it! Mine should be here this week.
Great idea with the connectors, btw! I think I'll do it that was also.

The wire from the EGR plug runs inside of the big plastic cap wire hosing that you can just see in the top right of the picture. I tapped into it from there and put the spade clip/plug on both ends. I put the fingers stick in the wire loom at the point that it runs by that plastic cap. That way I don't have a long wire running somewhere. My EGR wire is light brown with white/tan stripes. I traced it and it goes through that long black plastic box, that the cap pops off of the big taped wire loom goes through it.

Guys, I do not recommend the spade connector method. It would be much more fool proof to just solder it in. If it needs to come out, just clip the wires, and resolder them to put back in. The only reason mine is done this way is b/c neither Fingers nor I thought he would nail it on the first try and we wanted to be able to get revisions in and out quickly....FWIW, YMMV, etc, etc.

I put my stick and plate in over the weekend. The stick went in real nice, I soldered everything in and heat shrinked. The blocker plate is a different story, it was a pain in the a**. I had a hard time getting the pass side of the plate down. After filing the edges, using some grease and a hammer I got it in. I think it was all well worth it or will be in the long run by reducing my engines wear and tear.

I put my stick and plate in over the weekend. The stick went in real nice, I soldered everything in and heat shrinked. The blocker plate is a different story, it was a pain in the a**. I had a hard time getting the pass side of the plate down. After filing the edges, using some grease and a hammer I got it in. I think it was all well worth it or will be in the long run by reducing my engines wear and tear.

I had the exact same issues with my installation. I didn't use grease, but I did file all the edges and used a hammer to get the passenger side down where it belonged.

does the truck exhaust smoke alot more with the egr blocked off?

does the truck exhaust smoke alot more with the egr blocked off?

No

As I said in another thread, I wouldn't surprised if dealers start calling JK for blocker packages just to avoid this warranty issue. It's been almost a year now that we have been hearing about EGR failures and the backlog for new valves...

I haven't been keeping track, but has there been a "NO" reply to this thread?:muahaha:

Here's one--obey the law, protect the environment, keep yourself out of legal trouble, and protect your warranty obligation with GM.

I called the diesel mechanic at the dealership & asked him about the egr blocker plate. He told me to do it & save myself a headache in the long run. They said they would not void my warranty with it installed either. Just leave it in even is I need serve. Gm is having problem with the egr valve & they are needed alot of them for replacement. They can not keep any in stock because they need so many.

John

Please report the mechanic to GM and dealership management. He is not abiding by GM direction, and is asking you to break the law.

Can you guys email me pics ofyour installs with the shrink wrap and loom and all.

I know how to do all of this, just new to modding Gms and want to make sure I do it right.

Thanks.

Frotax@yahoo.com

Please report the mechanic to GM and dealership management. He is not abiding by GM direction, and is asking you to break the law.
:idiot: Here's one--obey the law, protect the environment, keep yourself out of legal trouble, and protect your warranty obligation with GM.

Thanks for your help! :)


Boy its great when we get all of this expert advice on our trucks from members that have user IDs that start with "F" :stirthepo :thumbsdow

Please report the mechanic to GM and dealership management. He is not abiding by GM direction, and is asking you to break the law.

On top of that he's giving his honest opinion on what is best for the owner's truck and wallet. He's not offering to break any of GM's codes or laws, just recommending what would make sense and save the owner a lot of future hastle. In short, he was being human, a nice guy to know and to have as your mechanic.

Just ordered my fingerstick and blocker from Kennedy this evening.:thumb:

Here's one--obey the law, protect the environment, keep yourself out of legal trouble, and protect your warranty obligation with GM.

What the Censored ?:blahblah:

Can someone explain to me what interest that Ford owners have in the GM area of dieselplace? Even if they have some curiousity why whould they feel the need to post their opinions? I just don't understand some people. I guess we should all go to the Ford forums and let them have out opinion......naw, what for......:rant: :wtf1: :wtf: :bleah: :cookoo: :nutkick:

Quick Q: Does the EGR blockoff also need to be done to 06 LLY's? Thanks!

Nothing has to be done. But yes, it is the same as the lbz's.

Is the finger stick needed? Does it stop the SES light from coming on for ANY reason? I don't want to not know if something else is wrong with my engine....THANKS!!!:cool:

Ford guy, f@#$ off with your advice. I work for GM and half of the stuff they make has issues and needs to be modified to run right. I prefer to tell owners the truth so their trucks will run well so they will buy GM products in the future. The truth is, GM is bound by emission/fuel economy/safety regulations and what they tell you to do is not always with your personal preference/enjoyment in mind.

I am tierd of clearing codes. Only time i have a code is when towing,after a fuel stop. Blocker & finger stick on its way
where can i get the blocker and stick? thanks nathan

where can i get the blocker and stick? thanks nathanI got mine from kenedy. he is a vedor on the site

How did this thread last this long?? And in the LBZ engine room at that... :rolleyes:

Just ordered mine from Kennedy! I havent had time to visit on here for a while, too many hours at the new job, its good to know that there is blocker and stick for us LBZ'RS!!! :ro)

MAXMSCL, I am intrigued with your avatar.
I don't care what I'm doing at the time, when I see one of your posts
I have to stop everything and gaze for a few seconds.

You da man!!

For those of you who are installing the finger stick.keep in mind that the directions on kennedy's web site is not for an 06 - the wire harness is bundled differently. It is still easy to install by following the directions, but to package it to look OE is different. I used a couple of different size wire loom (corregated plastic) to cover and wrapped with electrical tape. Looks good.

Can someone explain to me what interest that Ford owners have in the GM area of dieselplace? Even if they have some curiousity why whould they feel the need to post their opinions? I just don't understand some people. I guess we should all go to the Ford forums and let them have out opinion......naw, what for......:rant: :wtf1: :wtf: :bleah: :cookoo: :nutkick:

They just don't have a life and feel the only life they cqan have is buy making other think like they do.:eek: :rant:

I just helped a buddy install the blocker plate and finger stick on his 06 LBZ (he is mechanically incompetent) and before anyone tries to install the blocker plate do youeself a favor and take a file to the upper edges on the blocker plate where you have to push it down. I started the install with having rounded off the edges and quickly discovered that they are much sharper then they look! :eek: He was watching the install process and was running inside his house in no time asking his wife where the bandaids were located.... Those edges do not look to be very sharp, but the loss of blood from my thumb and one of my fingers indicate otherwise. This is not to complain about it, just a friendly warning. Also, you might need a fairly short flat blad screwdriver with a sturdy tip to separate the two pipes that the blocker plate goes in between, it was a good thing that I had brought my toolbox along as he did not have a screwdriver to fit the bill and it was definatly needed, those two pipes were a b***h to spread so that the block-off plate wound slide in place. And the wiring harness in a bit different from the picture in that the EGR wires and the MAF wires run in two different looms. He had some split loom that I used to cover the blue wire on the finger stick where it went to the other loom to look clean. Also on his truck the blue/white wire shown in the directions for the EGR wire to be tapped into was tan on the LBZ, I did not take the time to look at my truck to see if it is the same, but I would think that it is. Other then that it was pretty easy and we (read I) had it installed in about 1 hour, the hardest part was spreading the opening for the blocker plate, I left some blood up there when all was said and done before I took a metal file to the edges. :D

Is the finger stick needed? Does it stop the SES light from coming on for ANY reason? I don't want to not know if something else is wrong with my engine....THANKS!!!:cool:

Can someone help me out with my above question?

THANKS!

The finger stick does NOT stop all codes. It only prevents the codes from the EGR and MAF showing up. What it does is tap into the EGR and MAF and alters the signals returning to the ECM. These lights will go off for the blocker plate and an air intake so thats why you need it. It will not prevent any other codes from showing up :)

Can someone help me out with my above question?

THANKS!

You are good to go. The fingerstick does not block codes, it prevents them from setting in the first place by modifying the MAF sensor output. Nothing else will be effected, and if I understand things right, a MAF sensor that goes bad will still code.

Do it....

(and it's deja vu all over again....)

Just installed my Kennedy blocker plate. Will wait with the finger stick until it sets a code (no SES light after 10 minutes of idling). It was not too hard, thanks for the instructions (there are also some with pics on the Kennedy site). I did not have to file the edges, as spreading the pipes enough makes it easy to push the plate down. You can't spread the pipes enough unless you loosen the nuts a lot (don't drop them!!). I felt like I didn't tighten them back enough but there is no visible gap or any leak that I can feel.

My only issue:
My exhaust vibrates now, the source of the vibration can be felt at the EGR as exhaust hits the plate, it resonates throughout the system all the way to the tip. Not a big deal, but did anyone else have this experience? (I have a 4" stainless & catless MBRP full exhaust). Thanks

If and when then Banks Tuners come out for the LBZ, if I install a Blocker Plate, would I need a Fingers Stick if I have a Power PDA and 6 Gun combo? If the PDA reads and clears all diagnostic codes is the stick necesarry?

I suppose if the Banks reads and clears the codes like my Bully dog does, then you may still want to get the finger stick. That way it prevents the code from setting rather than you having to manually read and clear it all the time. My check engine light is on now. I will have to install the stick...

Okay so if i want to go open exhaust(remove cat and muff leave 3" factory) just get the plate and finger stick. and Im good to go

I know of (3) '06 LBZ (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/autolink.php?id=22&script=editpost&forumid=140) trucks that have done a downpipe back (no kitty - no muffler) and AFE Magnum STG II; WITHOUT the blocker or stick and aren't throwing codes! It is NOT a MUST on ALL vehicles that do exhaust/intake. These are MBRP 4" off-road systems that I am referring to S6004AL and S6004409

As far as the EGR (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/autolink.php?id=42&script=editpost&forumid=140), yes, they go together (plate-stick)

Okay I admit it - I'm ignorant! But what smoke are you guys talking about? My new 06 GMC LBZ 2500 CC don't make no smoke, in fact I can't smell anything at all even standing next to the exhaust pipe and having the wife rev it up, well maybe a little kerosene stove type odor. Kind of disapointing really, all the Ford PS's I had smoked, stank and rattled like a drum full of barbells. Even on the road under load, no smoke - dang what a gyp! Maybe its the California Ultra Low Sulfur and Aromatic Hyrocarbon Diesel Fuel, that produces 25% less soot and smells like paint thinner, or maybe it's the Primrose 405 additive I've been using since day one, but this thing runs clean. Now I didn't see any of you guys using the EGR blocker having California listed as home, but what effect would that little gizmo have on your smog check? If you did throw codes and they were detected by an OBDC smog check as they do in some states would the result be a failed smog test and or fines? I ain't no choir boy - I swap parts in and out every two years for the old hot rod, but maybe this swap is too much work.

If you only have to pass emissions once a year, than I would say the swap is ok to do. Took me 30 minutes of hard work.

If you run stock exhaust should this procedure still be done or only if your installing after market exhaust or programmer?

Search "EGR blocker plate" the answer is there. The search button is on the second blue line down and on the far right side. You want to search Post:

Do it no matter what exhaust you have. boy that was simple

After looking at the pictures I think I'll wait until I move out of California in a year or so. My hands are just too numb from years of working to hold on to that little plate and a wrench in that location. You should see the stuff I find when I change the water pump on a Chevy V-8 - (Oh, that's where that went!) I find half a set of sockets every time. Seems to me a stainless, or better yet titanium, slide or butterfly valve that could be turned on and off would work and never have to be removed. It would cost more of course. Just thinking out loud.

Seems to me a stainless, or better yet titanium, slide or butterfly valve that could be turned on and off would work and never have to be removed. It would cost more of course. Just thinking out loud.

It would still be an obvious a garage mechanic. The only time we take them out is for wartantee work.

anyone in CT done this to their truck???? i am interested but not good at turning wrenches or wiring...i will throw a few bucks and some brew if someone wants to help me with it... anyone?

another option is to buy the egr blocker plate only and buy a predator tuner for the person who also wants a upgrade in performance at the same time. The predator have a built in egr option for what i know that can be set to EGR OFF . This way it eliminate the need of the finger stick because the code will never appear in the ecm.

peat - that's true for the <'06 trucks. Best I know the '06 Predator does not yet have an EGR diagnostic routine defeat. It may have already been added, but was not a part of the original release...

So if I am reading this all right I should Take off my exhaust and run a straight pipe,then install the finger stick and block plate. This will do what? increase my power, better fuel mileage, cleaner intake, cleaner motor . Won,t it be noisy as hell. Just want to be sure . Thanks. Oh ya I have a 06 LBZ cc

YES! I do run a muffler with my Monster 5" but, no Kitty. Not loud like the Ford 7.3, just a cool smooth sound.
http://www.rpmoutlet.com/duraexfive.htm

I have a straight through muffler and the truck is not loud at all. The best muffler you can buy is the turbo charger..it kills most of the noise. The turbo diesel does not have the sound of say a 1500 w/ straight throughs.

L

i am thinking of installing a blocker/finger setup on my 06 lbz. but here is my question, if the finge stick blocks egr codes ( because of the lack of air flow) would it also block other codes with nothing to do with the egr? such as something else going wrong in the engine? thank you for your time! keep on truckin':ro) kenny

It doesn't block codes, it prevents them from setting. It will not prevent legit codes from setting.

What will installing the blocker and finger stick do to emmisions testing which we have to do in Salt Lake County?
Will it cause a rejection?

I'll probably get beat up for this for not reading all of the threads and doing a search but....does this apply to the LB7 engines as well (O2 year model).

If the new Predator for the LBZ defeats the EGR / Mass Air Flow diagnostic routine and offers similar power inreases as the Bully Dog I currently have, then I'll have to consider buying it. Right now I am having trouble keeping the check engine light off after my blocker plate install, despite having the Kennedy Finger stick. It is possible I didn't install it right... Also some of the diesel techs at work are arguing with me about blocking the EGR off. Can someone just tell me one more time that it's good for the LBZ so I can feel better (not a vendor)? Thanks.

If the new Predator for the LBZ defeats the EGR / Mass Air Flow diagnostic routine and offers similar power inreases as the Bully Dog I currently have, then I'll have to consider buying it. Right now I am having trouble keeping the check engine light off after my blocker plate install, despite having the Kennedy Finger stick. It is possible I didn't install it right... Also some of the diesel techs at work are arguing with me about blocking the EGR off. Can someone just tell me one more time that it's good for the LBZ so I can feel better (not a vendor)? Thanks.

This was proof enough for me.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100894

Seems like that EGR scheme came before the ULSD fuel was available, I wonder how much difference the Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel will make, given that it produces 25% less soot? The idea is to recirculate the exhaust and reduce the O2 content and combustion chamber temp - and produce less pollution. Now here comes the rub: In the next few generations of diesel smog control equipment, the designers are building undefeatable controls into the OBDC. My guess is that if they see too many codes, they will shut the engine down and there you sit until you are towed into a state authorized repair facility, have the original equipment restored, pay your fine and have the codes cleared. Yes, and in some little pea-brains among the bureaucrats is, no doubt, a plan to have that OBDC report you via wireless link so your registration and driver's license renewal is flagged - just in case you figure out a way to bypass their system, in which case you get an orange jump suit and free cheese and balongna sandwiches for six months. So, enjoy it while you can - because California is running the show, and the entire nation will have to follow Sacramento's lead; scary huh? And don't think they won't ban diesel engines if too many people violate their rules - there isn't any right to own diesel trucks, and remember what they have done to firearms which are a protected right.

A man after my own heart!! Preach it axlenut ;)

To my way of thinking, when you have to use a screw driver to pry and hold two flanges apart, or worst yet use a hammer to wedge the two flanges apart, something is taking a lot of stress. Has anyone looked at where the stress is being created and concluded that it is not a problem? And further as you retighten the flanges and force them flush again there is going to be some additional stress due to increased spacing by the blocking plate. Would hate to crack something as the engine goes through repeated heat cycles with this stress. Just call me cautious.

Pete

Seems like that EGR scheme came before the ULSD fuel was available, I wonder how much difference the Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel will make, given that it produces 25% less soot? The idea is to recirculate the exhaust and reduce the O2 content and combustion chamber temp - and produce less pollution. Now here comes the rub: In the next few generations of diesel smog control equipment, the designers are building undefeatable controls into the OBDC. My guess is that if they see too many codes, they will shut the engine down and there you sit until you are towed into a state authorized repair facility, have the original equipment restored, pay your fine and have the codes cleared. Yes, and in some little pea-brains among the bureaucrats is, no doubt, a plan to have that OBDC report you via wireless link so your registration and driver's license renewal is flagged - just in case you figure out a way to bypass their system, in which case you get an orange jump suit and free cheese and balongna sandwiches for six months. So, enjoy it while you can - because California is running the show, and the entire nation will have to follow Sacramento's lead; scary huh? And don't think they won't ban diesel engines if too many people violate their rules - there isn't any right to own diesel trucks, and remember what they have done to firearms which are a protected right.

Scary but could happen! I was :lol: when I got to the part about the bolagna sandwich!! Thanks for the chuckle and let's all hope it never comes to that. Orange is not my color!!

I'll probably get beat up for this for not reading all of the threads and doing a search but....does this apply to the LB7 engines as well (O2 year model).

No the LB7's don't have an EGR so no need to block it;)

Scary but could happen! I was :lol: when I got to the part about the bolagna sandwich!! Thanks for the chuckle and let's all hope it never comes to that. Orange is not my color!!

Yeah, dress me in orange and I'd look like a pumpkin. But I worked for the government for 32 years, managed 10,000 acres of redwood forest and endangered species habitat including the vaunted steelhead trout (some you couldn't kill with a 100 kiloton blast). My gosh, they even wanted us to plug the zerk fittings on the crawler tracks before we entered the creek to do restoration work! I pointed out that there were natural pools of crude oil seeping into the streambed upstream of where we were working - so if that didn't kill the fish how would several micrograms of grease do any harm? That was natural oil - it was okay was their answer! Nature good - man bad. Did you know it's a federal offense to SCARE an endangered fish? Yep, considered the same as "taking" it with a hook and line, you may have scared it from guarding its redd! Why, they even limit the hay horses eat in national parks so the manure doesn't carry in exotic seeds! Yeah - and we had to use sterlized straw for erosion control for the same reason - but gosh what about the wind - which distributes all the seeds and pollen in the world? They'll drive you nuts! So watch out, vote for the candidates most likely to be rational - good luck finding one, and hope for the best. :rant: