Just got done installing a Quad 120 chip into a 2004.5 D-MAX. The truck has Quad intake and Banks Exhaust. On the 60hp setting the trans is fine and you can feel the new power, and there is almost no smoke at all. One the 90HP it has a significant amount of smoke, and the trans can't shift fast enough (hasn't adapted yet). On the 120HP the truck is downright FAST, and the trans has absolutely no chance to shift. This 120 setting will require a trans upgrade if used regulary. Power is smooth, no surges or problems yet. I will post again once the trans has had time to adapt. We will be installing our PRT Allison 1000 Full Race Stage III transmission and triple lock converter into the vehicle next week. THIS VEHICLE WILL NEED IT!!

Whats the quad intake youre referring to ? Im setting mine up tonight after work - sounds like im going to like it... I have an air intake coming in from true flow tomorrow as they are just releasing there new one for the LLY - I will keep ya all posted on performance and what have you. I have the transgo and converter on order as well and should be good to go.

KoopDaddy Did mine two weeks ago man do I like the power now and didn't take 5 min.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif and no problem whith trany slipping.Allso better MPG by hand calculation.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Edited by: Miles PH

Miles, what did you have done ?

Just a Qoad 50-100 Box thats all so far.

Koopdaddy


Trans will adapt in 5 blocks if you clear and set taps. Surprised you didn't do this right away before the road test. We would then not have to wait for your results.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I have a lot of friends in your city.


mike

Mike - I just got done installing mine as well, and dam is it fast, feels really good and no troubles driving around on 2nd setting for a couple of hours, but like koop said "the tranny cant keep up"...what did you mean by clear and set taps ? does anyone else maybe know this ?? I know i just need to keep driving and hopefully it will adapt for it, but im also waiting for the shift kit and converter so i might not have to worry much longer...let me know what i should do for the tranny to catch up with the new power, thanksEdited by: tbone1227

So what's the deal here???? Has Quad released a chip for the retail market for the LLY???

Steve - where you at here in Nor Cal ? and yep, Quad has it out, not sure how many are left from the first send off though - its only been 1/2 day for me but feels really good and lots of power..

I want one.

Just got home from work (52 Miles) 100 degree heat. I was going up a small hill to my house and sure enough I put the transmission into failsafe. This was on setting 2, trans temp was about 250. As of this minute the trans is SLOOOWLY beginning to get with the program, there is ALOT of slippage however!

I've got them in stock if anyone needs one. They are definately sweet but be prepared if you want to run the big setting you will need to upgrade your tranny.

THanks Cpmac, i like mine so far ! Mileage is climbing and power is awesome . stage 1 60hp is real good drivebility with just a hint of smoke. 90 hp is strong as he$$ and smokes a bunch. It also kinda of has a surging or chuggle sometimes in the meat of the power but think that is because trans and pcm are not used to the power just yet. 125 hp has more torque for driving normal but trans will slip if really hammering it. I should of waited to even put it on the higher settings so that maybe trans could of got used to it. But i dont have the willpower to do that.


Mike L. : What is this clear and set taps deal you are talking about??

Wow, I'm glad to here that these boxes are workinhg so well! Have fun all, and be sure to take pics or video clips of the LLY's burnouts and launches and what not!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

these boxes look promissing! keep us updated, and please dyno these suckers to see how the LLY is reacting to similar power of an LB7!

Steve - where you at here in Nor Cal ? and yep, Quad has it out, not sure how many are left from the first send off though - its only been 1/2 day for me but feels really good and lots of power..


Tom,


I'm in upper Nor Cal, town called Susanville. Thanks for the info.


Where are you located?

Im in Sac Town, Roseville to be exact - Just got back from your neck of the woods last weekend, I got dirt biking up there every few weeks and im in hat creek quite a bit as well during spring and summer for camping.

FINALLY IM MY HANDS LLY BY BULLY DOG RAPID POWER STOCK/ 40HP AND 70HP $649.00


COMMING SOON DYNO DOMINATOR LLY STOCK/ 60HP /110HP $749.00 WILL NEED TRANS UP GRADE!!!


CALL CHRIS 1-800-697-0194

Can anyone stepping from a "chipped" an LB7 to a "chipped" LLY tell me HONESTLY that they are impressed?

Hmmmm





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I think it accelerates quicker but will let you know when i go to the track. From my corner to the bridge test it was about the same or just barely quicker than my 125edge LB7 but that was only on 90 quad box ! I need to go run it with my G Tec for comparisons cause i know what the other truck did with it. Right now im just trying to let the trans learn its thing. HMmmmhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif So MIke , what is the clear and set taps method???

You need a tech II or equivalent ...





Mac

TAP's= Target Applied Pressures= Clutch Drum Volume (remember the p/s Dodge minivan?) Dodge pioneered a TCM in 1989 (A604 trans-4speed auto fully computerized) that timed the apply of given clutch and changed the timing when a clutch pack wore (as clutchpack wore, clearance got greater, shift took longer) so that the customer had a good shift feel till the trans died. Well, this sh.t drove the trans industry crazy along with the dealers. We could not fix the buggers properly. Chryler then went into at least 25 TCM upgrades ( all of them took memory away. Hmm. They made it dummerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif) Trans began to work better. Now we have the Duramax with the Allison. The Allison works the same way as the aforementioned p/s Dodge minivan and worse. TCM is very protective of the trans. Doesn't take much for a "lights out" effect (limp). I believe anything over 80 hp will harm the trans, and a hard driven 80hp will kill it. Everytime you feel a zip on the shift you hurt it.


mike

I run around in level 4 Hot all the time but I only get into it once the shifts complete and don't let it shift thru the gears when monster torque is being applied.


If you rod the crap out of the stock Allison its not gonna last to long.......


But........I only know what I've read here and from my own rig.


The HJ has been on level 4 for 15k and I've never limped once.


We'll see how long it will last under these conditions.


Power rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Has anyone used the Quad or one of the new tuners on the LLy with a manual transmission.What was the result? Thanks

Thought I'd post some info on first trip out pulling the toy hauler with the quad tuner - had it set on first level and it ran great - better than I could hope for...No tranny problems at all, temps great, and it pulled hard regardless of the grade

TBONE, do you already have the suncoast trans mods or getting them soon? How is your mileage with and without load? Oh, and how many miles on your truck?

Fastoys - installing it on Tuesday, tranny stock right now...Mileage towing is about 10 right now, but mainly because i go up into the mountains, towing on freeway with light hills is about 12 compared to 16-18 normal driving...Mileage is 1750, just bought 3 weeks ago

bigtree I have ran the Quad on a six speed and it worked great. You notice the control of the turbo more on the six speed but otherwise very smooth.

So where do I get the Quad box? and how much? This is the first I've heard of performance for the LLY!

Redneck cruise up this thread and they are listed on it.

Found it.

Ok guys, I and went ahead ordered it. Any updates on how they are working?

My .02 , better get that allison update coming quick!!

Ok guys, I and went ahead ordered it. Any updates on how they are working?





Just installed the quad on my LLY. The power is REALLY smooth. I think it's smoother than stock. Stock has a bit of a surge, while quad program is more constant smooth power. It can just be a "mental" thing, but I think it's smoother.


Install was easy and I chose not to go through the firewall or to mount anything. I don't want ANY evidence when it goes to the dealer. The dealer still has to fix my glow plug controller when the revision is available.


I've only had it on for about 20 minutes of driving or so. It was in the 90hp ? setting. I didn't try the 120HP setting or the low setting yet.Edited by: mbeckwith

I got a chance to play with one this morning and am not impressed. I think it was released too soon. Turbo feels like it's devorced from the rest of the engine. In the 120 setting, you nail it, smoke pours out, turbo lags then finaly begines to spool, by that time Ally shifts, you defuel again. The Ally does not like this program at all. The truck feels like it's bucking. Lots of smoke. Does not feel like 120 hp. ( By the way, this Duramax has a full Stage 3 Suncoast so you can't blame the Ally).


mike

Turbo feels like it's devorced from the rest of the engine. In the 120 setting, you nail it, smoke pours out, turbo lags then finaly begines to spool


Did the truck you tested have an exhaust and intake?


By that time Ally shifts, you defuel again. The Ally does not like this program at all. The truck feels like it's bucking.


How long did you give the Allison to adapt before making your judgement.?

This is a 4K mile update on my Quad Box. Well the trans and converter have been upgraded, and the truck holds the power without a problem. The truck drives like crap on the 120 setting and when set to 90, the truck drives good about 15% of the time. It too seems like it bucks, and it smokes so bad, that you really don't want to floor it. In fact, I beleive that it was this "bucking" sensation that caused the C3 clutches to let go on the truck. If you continue to drive the truck hard when it bucks, it throws the engine into some weird failsafe. You still have all 5 gears, but you are limited to 2K RPM, and very light throttle. If you turn the truck off, it resets and is back to normal. I would like to say that on the 60HP setting, the truck drives GREAT, no surges or bucking. In fact, I do not even drive the truck in any other mode. The truck has never gone into failsafe while in the 60HP setting.





Mike L. What is the name of your shop and where are you at? I am curious?

koopdaddy


We have a mutual friend, John Landry at NATPRO. Call me at my shop monday, 310 674 4400.

Amric


Yes it had exhaust and intake. Trans adapts had nothing to do with this; the Ally flat does not like this box. I totaly agree with koopdaddy.


mike

Guess we have to see what edge comes up with.

Guess we have to see what edge comes up with.


Not having been around Dmax's before this truck, and not having had mine on the rollers, I don't have anything to compare my experience with.


What I can say about the Edge/Attitude for the LLY is, to borrow a title, WOW...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


This second version of the Beta is much smoother on the shifts than the first version. While I've not yet had a chance to run it hard on level 5 which spooks me and my Ally a bit, the shifts on level 4 are smoother than with the Juice set to stock. I'm going to try and run it around tomorrow and disconnect the Juice to see if it responds the same way.


Not sure I'll try the level 5, I did that once before with the first Beta and the de-fuel was really significant as well as me having a temp problem with the stock exhaust it had at that time. Edge told me it wouldn't get as warm with this version as it did with the first. So far that's true, but I installed the CAT back exhaust since then, so I can't say which contributed more to the temp reduction. Also, I'm not quite ready to do the trans...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifEdited by: Zeeb

I am not here selling product. My opinions are my own and I feel that after being a performance enthusiast since 1963 ( I almost drove a Nascar race but didn't quite have the talent) I know what is right. TTS has had their program in testing since Jan. I have driven this truck many miles in testing. It is as smooth as a babys butt and flat hauls ass for only being a 50 hp prgram. DieselTech is able to control the turbo in conjunction with the fueling. The Quad program I tested today had no control over the turbo. The turbo would lag so bad you were not able to get over 2K rpm's for a while. When it finally spooled up the trans was shifting and bucking. The TTS program is sweet; it will absolutely kill the Quad on the 90 hp and if your Quad hesitates on the 120 hp(which it will) you are toast. Like I said, they let it out too soon. For what it's worth, this was as honest as I get and you guys that know me know I do not hold back for nobody.


mike

bump to fix order.Edited by: Diesel Power

I talked to a couple guys with PPE out of California (They were at Thunder in Muncie.


They were ragging on Edge. They claim they have a 171 horse power box ( 120+ rwhp) for the LLY. they had it there yesterday, Didn't see them selling anything the whole day.


These are the one`s with the Xcelerator (I think) I tried talking them out of one, but no dice. They claim they are working on another box for the LB7 that puts out more then 490 rwhp and something like 1000 ft lb rwqu. And also one about like the one out now for the LB7 will be ready for the LLY in a month or two.


You should see the junk they are trying to sell to replace our tie-rods. I think they wanted to copy Bullet Proof, but failed miserably. And they are only $1100 show price.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Hoot ask then to explain how they worked, they hee haa`ed around for a few minutes then gave some spill that Hoot and I drilled holes in that story, they then gave another answer. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

If they want to play with the big kids, they have to expect to get hurt. Nice report.

Bump what Mike said - quad box on the first setting (+60 ?) is good, no problems other than the defueling - second setting ( +90 ? ), more and more defueling problems and like mike said, the turbo is just not right at this setting, last setting ( +120 ? ) is really bad as the turbo cant keep up and the defueling is really bad...all in all its not terrible but could be better, ive started running just the first setting and feel more comfortable on that...i do like the power and if you can drive without flogging it, you can work around some of the problems but it takes fine tuning with your gas foot to get what you want out of it. On a side note, I had a chance to test out the TTS LLY Tow tune on a stock tranny and its gotta be the best tune you can get - very smooth all around and great power, no hiccups or problems at all

The defueling is caused by the allison not the Quad module.


Mike L do you have some dyno sheets or track slips to prove your claim that the TTS tow will outrun the Quad 90? If not I suggest you refrain from making statements like that since the TTS isn't a product that any one can get to compare the two.

? How is the defueling caused by the Allison - isnt that something that can be programmed differently ? I can only speak for myself about the differences between the 2 as ive driven them both and have the quad box which isnt bad at all, but could use a little tweaking IMHO...i think the TTS has a much better delivery and you dont notice the defueling which is what Mike was referring to in regards to it being faster - there is a noticeble lag on the +90 setting in both the fueling and turbo which isnt there on the TTS, i do have to say that its not as noticeable on the quad box +60 setting. The TTS tune is available per the website - not sure if you checked that out or not as your comment implied it wasnt available.

CPMac


If this particular Quad program represents how all of them work, well then there is something wrong. This Ally was not slipping at all. Could it be a defective Suncoast Stage 3? How? I gave an honest opinion on a truck that I drove before and after. Was that wrong? You always do it; I guess thats different. As far as the TTS program, I believe it's available. Call Steve Cole and ask him.


mike

I didn't mean to imply it wasn't available to some but I know Steve picks and chooses his customers and since you had both I wondered how scientific you data was. As for the allison causing the defuel and not the Quad, I know this because it won't defuel on a six speed truck.

?? Im confused now - does that mean that it works differently on the 6 speed compared to the auto ? Not sure what that means

The defueling is caused by the allison not the Quad module.


Mike L do you have some dyno sheets or track slips to prove your claim that the TTS tow will outrun the Quad 90? If not I suggest you refrain from making statements like that since the TTS isn't a product that any one can get to compare the two.





My truck went from 17.69 @ 78 bone stock to 15.53 @ (85.6) bone stock + TTS Tow Tune. 0.3-0.5 of that improvement was due to air. Raceweight in both cases was ~7500.


Has anyone done a before and after with the Quad on a stock truck?


Last word I heard was the TTS Tow Tune for the LLY is available to the public. It's very smooth. You cannot tell the truck is not bone stock except it's quicker. Actual peak HP gain on the tune was 65 rwhp (246 before, 311 after).

Tbone on the 6 speed trucks the Quad drives fine on all settings so the allison has to be the culprit when it bucks like you stated. The allison will cut the fuel back if it feels it needs to where the 6 speed trucks won't.


McRat I can test the Quad before and after but I thought since Mike L had access to both he would be a good choice. I will call Steve and see if he will sell me one if nobody else wants to do it. I would think it would only be fair to compare the TTS tow to the Quad 50 and not the higher levels what do you think?

Steve told me the TTS Tow Tune was 50rwhp, and that's what it made on his LLY. Not sure why mine dyno'd higher. So maybe comparing both 50hp tunes would be right. Another thing I cannot explain was the huge drop in the ET. I hold the truck at 2000rpm for a few seconds prior to launch, but the TTS accelerates MUCH harder than stock for the first 60 ft. No wheelspin with any of the passes, it just really rocks outta the hole now, 2.6 60' vs 2.1 60'.