I have the Juice with Attitude and I have had me truck stall at idle 4 times it starts back up but Edge claims I am the only one reporting this problem. It has never happened with the juice off I have had allot of problems so I will run for weeks at a time with no juice just to see and I have never had a problem with out it. I am on my 4th juice and ready to give up maybe I will try Banks they are the only other one I know of with in cab on the fly controls just no LCD. I love my juice when it works but to many problems is killing me maybe my truck is sensitive. Does anyone else have this problem????????

Pretty much unique sounding to me. Do you have a Nextel phone or any other RF emittting device that may be interfering?





The Van Aaken is in cab switchable as well FYI.

I've had my truck almost stall on me already.


I went pull out one time and the truck just fell on it's face and almost stalled. When I let off the gas it idled then I tried to go again and the same thing happened. On the third try it pulled out like nothing was ever wrong and ran great. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I've had my truck almost stall on me already.


I went pull out one time and the truck just fell on it's face and almost stalled. When I let off the gas it idled then I tried to go again and the same thing happened. On the third try it pulled out like nothing was ever wrong and ran great. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





Exact same thing happened to me, except i pulled over and re-started the truck 3 times before it would quit. New version Juice box is in the mail and should be here soon. Hopefully itll fix that. -Jeff

Wow, this could be a safety factor if the juice is also causing trucks to stall.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif What do all you die hard juice guys have to say now?? If this was the Quad or Predator we would never hear the end of it.

Wow, this could be a safety factor if the juice is also causing trucks to stall.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif What do all you die hard juice guys have to say now?? If this was the Quad or Predator we would never hear the end of it.





I AGREE WITH YA. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


MY DAD HAS BEEN HAVING HELL WITH HIS JUICE HERE LATELY. THE GUAGES ALL GO WACKY AND THE ENGINE STARTS RATTLEING LIKE HELL. SOUNDS LIKE THE TIMING IS MOVING AROUND ON IT. ITS BEEN DOING THIS QUITE A BIT HERE LATELY, SO HE REMOVED THE JUICE AND IT HASNT DONE IT IN SEVERAL WEEKS--------NOT ONCE SINCE HE REMOVED THE JUICE. ANYONE ELSE HAVING THIS PROBLEM???

I am now on my 3rd Juice box, now with the latest "no start" fixes. The day I installed it I had 1 stall. Setting at a stop light, coolant temp at around 18-190, normal idle, moderate light throttle on green light, and it acted just like I shut it off... No fuss, no nothing, just dead... Cranked right back up and has been running for the last 5 days without a repeat. Never had a stall before.

Wow, this could be a safety factor if the juice is also causing trucks to stall.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif What do all you die hard juice guys have to say now?? If this was the Quad or Predator we would never hear the end of it.


You are right if I was pulling out into a intersection or something and it stalled it could be a problem I will be asking for a refund soon.

Wow, this could be a safety factor if the juice is also causing trucks to stall.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif What do all you die hard juice guys have to say now?? If this was the Quad or Predator we would never hear the end of it.


I'll tell you but I don't expect to be labeled a basher or a "boy"...Just stating the facts of what I know and see ...


You are 100% correct first off of the dangers of this problem ....


But there is a difference .. It's called acknowledgment that there is a problem with the product ...


No smoke screens No it's your truck etc. ....


Edge Products reads here and is very unhappy that ONE customer let alone a couple 3 or 4 or more are having this problem ... I know for a fact the are vigorously working on a resolve ...


I would suggest with those trucks effected ,if you are overly concerned with safety,which you have a right to, remove the product till the intermediate issue is resolved ...


Edge is a very respectable , take responsibility, non misleading ,Tuner of Diesel trucks .. Dat right dare is the difference ...


Like I said they are not happy that anyone is having this problem .... I hope you guys affected all though it sucks will give them time to resolve this .... In the end you'll have a product that has taken the market by storm and the rest attempt to mimic ....





Mac

I have the Juice with Attitude and I have had me truck stall at idle 4 times it starts back up but Edge claims I am the only one reporting this problem. It has never happened with the juice off I have had allot of problems so I will run for weeks at a time with no juice just to see and I have never had a problem with out it. I am on my 4th juice and ready to give up maybe I will try Banks they are the only other one I know of with in cab on the fly controls just no LCD. I love my juice when it works but to many problems is killing me maybe my truck is sensitive. Does anyone else have this problem????????





Have you tried running the Edge box without the Additude installed ??


Set the desired level and unplug ..... Just wondering as I haven't seen this idea sugested but I maybe behind ...


Mac

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Pretty much unique sounding to me. Do you have a Nextel phone or any other RF emittting device that may be interfering?


</TD></TR></T></TABLE> I was with you until I read the next 4-5 post about others having this problem. This in not good, someone having this happen for a first time could end up in a pickle real quick.

Yeah, the rattle/stall thing was in the low 4xx versions, but 4.61 cured that.





Like Mac suggested, I've also been suggesting that monitor use be temporarily discontinued to see if things are better.

No rattles or no nostarts for me. Always runs fine.


I had mine 1/2 stall 2 or 3 times, ussualy going to pull out and it kinda 1/2 died like I lifted off the throttle and then took off like nothing was wrong....Once while plowing moving at a deccent clip it 1/2 died, acted like I lifted and then picked up like nothing was wrong.


It did it for about a week and it was shortly after I changed my fuel filter, I assumed it was just a bit of air that got gulped and fillanly purged itself??? Maybe it was juice related???


Edge has always had top notch service and I'm shure they will fix things and arnt going to screw anyone.

I had a similar situation where the truck stalled out when trying to accelerate from a stop sign. I just punched it down to zero on the attitude and it ran fine. Only has happened once.


So far I am 99.999% satisfied with the product. 7015 miles in 4 months on the truck (2800 mikles towing 13k fifth wheel) since I bought it new with 6 miles and the juice has benn there since mile 455.


Just MHO.

No starts, stalling, falling on it's face, loud engine noises, all from Juice owners. For all of the problems I've heard JUST on this forum about this product, I think I'll stay far, far away. Imagine how many Juice owners there are that aren't on or don't even know about this forum that are having problems. For me, ONE time running across any of these problems is one time too many. Sending these units back and getting different updates/versions, what's that all about? Get it right the first time. Maybe Banks DOES have alot of Edge products sitting around.

How many of you that are having problems have the version 4.81 update?


On talking with Edge, they'd like to make sure that if you are having problems you upgrade to the 4.81 programming.





Scotty,


Lemme know when Banks comps you their REAL race version you've been bucking for. I'd like to line them up some time...

No starts, stalling, falling on it's face, loud engine noises, all from Juice owners. For all of the problems I've heard JUST on this forum about this product, I think I'll stay far, far away. Imagine how many Juice owners there are that aren't on or don't even know about this forum that are having problems. For me, ONE time running across any of these problems is one time too many. Sending these units back and getting different updates/versions, what's that all about? Get it right the first time. Maybe Banks DOES have alot of Edge products sitting around.


Some of these post are starting to look like kids at the play ground. My daddy can beat up your daddyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif


Don`t think for one minute that Banks has it 100% right.


Banks is known by just about everyone. Edge is small time compared to them, and I would guess that more then 50% of their sells come from the internet. So if that is true, then it would be more likely that Edge would have a higher % of complaints on these forums.

No product is perfect be it trucks, per parts for the trucks or cheeseburgers, IMO its how things get handled after the fact. Everybody makes mistakes. Everytime I have called the Edge they have been more than helpfull. My issue with the pyro taking a dump was addressed imediatly.


I believe I have the second to latest version(they just came out with an update right?)


15k and about 8 months or so juiced. 99.999999999% satisfied.


Still looking for some guys running a banks box around here to embarass but no body wants to play http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif JK Scotty

I am not bashing Edge they make a great product I have heard horrible things about Banks as well I saw pictures of a blown up motor from a banks 6 gun. I think some trucks are differnt than other like mine I have had to many problems and I have heard of many people that have run the Juice with 35k miles no problems I think I have some weird things going on in my truck that dont show themselves untill I put the Juice to them. I guess the only way to prove wich product works better on my truck is to try another one. I do know that what Edge does is not easy and with any performance mod there will be some problems with some trucks if it was all trucks Edge would not be in buisness. The bottom line is if you are not willing to deal with some problems dont modify your truck leave it stock but who the hell wants that not me.

I have had the exact same thing happen as 1bad01 about 5 times in the past 10 months. Three times with the Juice and 2 times with Hot Juice. It was never predictable but always happened after stopping at a stop sign or redlight in warm weather. I installed a lift pump after the last incedent about 2 months ago and it hasn't done it since.


Has anyone with a lift pump and Juice had it stall??????

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How many of you that are having problems have the version 4.81 update?


On talking with Edge, they'd like to make sure that if you are having problems you upgrade to the 4.81 programming.





Scotty,


Lemme know when Banks comps you their REAL race version you've been bucking for. I'd like to line them up some time...


Kennedy,


I've heard that it will be close to fall for the Racebox from Banks. It's true, I've been waiting patiently. It'll be interesting to see how close the Hot Juice and Racebox will be. I wonder if they'll be using their "step-down" method with this box to rate horsepower and torque-probably not. And yes, I'd like to line them up, also. But so far, around this area, nobody has the Juice. I've seen Hypertech, Bullydog, and Superchips.

What are the advantages of the 4.81 vs. the 4.74? I haven't had any issues, so

How many of you that are having problems have the version 4.81 update?
On talking with Edge, they'd like to make sure that if you are having problems you upgrade to the 4.81 programming.

I'm running 4.81 and I had the first stall ever right after installing the upgrade box. However, it only happened that one time. None since then... I have not even called Edge about it. And the 4.81 did fix my no start, or at least I have not had it happen since the upgrade was installed. Considering the frequency I saw it (the no-start) before the upgrade, as long as the stall does not become an ongoing problem, then I'm pretty happy right now...

As for other concerned over this, it is a bit annoying. But the problem, while frustrating, is very much lessened by very good customer support and response from Edge. I'm very pleased with the performance, and I'm loath to give it up even for a short time. I'm not completely satisfied with it yet until I'm sure the stall will not occur again, but I have no regrets about getting it even after all the problems... Based on my experience, along with cost/value as well as quality customer support, “can’t sell” issues with the Predator, etc. I have no problem recommending the Attitude/Juice to anyone looking for a performance upgrade. Most seem to have no problems and those that do are resolved (relatively) quickly considering what we are dealing with here (complex electronic systems). They are not perfect, but IMO they are still a good value if you want more power.Edited by: BadDog

MY TRUCK HALF STALLED ONCE AND PICKED BACK UP AFTER I GOT OUT OF THE GAS. THIS ALL BEFORE I HAD JUICEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif . SINCE JUICE INSTALL NO PROBLEMS LIKE THAT, JUST ONE NO START MONTHS AGO.

Mine stalled 6 or 7 times with both the 90 and 125 boxes. Same scenario starting off from a light with very light initial throttle. Dead in it's tracks like the key was turned off. Started back up and no more problem for a month or so and then it would do it again.


With it stalling this frequently, I was able to uncover a possible pattern and intentionally made it stall once on my cue. Almost every time when creeping into an intersection.........light throttle.......back off completely........light throttle.........STALL.


New 145 box with attitude in for a month now with no stalling or problems to date. Hope this may help Edge &amp; others.


Billy

I have had this problem on my 01 dmax for a while now.


It started right after I bought it, It was stock the first few times it did it. I had a juice ,and it did it with it too. I have a attitude now and it did it for the 1st time today. when it happened today ,the low fuel light came on, guage read E ,then it took off and the fuel guage came back to 1/4 tank.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Just a little input I thought was interesting.


Jay

Scotty...get a grip dude. If you think for a minute any power enhancement doesn't come with its problems you are mislead.

This is a timely topic for me, as my Edge/Attitude has also started exhibiting an intermittent stall. I have had the e/a installed for about 15k miles without any problems, but have now taken it off the truck.


Recently I have been driving the truck from the SF bay area to Tucson, AZ moving my household while towing a 7k trailer. I run the e/a on level 2 and have a tranny upgraded by Mike Lovrich. About 2x on each trip the truck, while driving a constant speed on the freeway, would stumble and then start running again. When this happened the e/a went through a reboot. This was an annoyance, however, on the last trip the engine died and I had to coast over to the parking lane and restart. That's when I disconnected the edge.


No problems since. I will be returning the e/a to Kennedy for analysis.

just my .02 anyone with one of these stalling juice try swapping with someone else.... i done want to sound like im bashing anyone but it may be possible it is your trucks.... some times certain chipsets in computers will not allow other chipsets to work.... or maybe you have certain upgrades and those upgrades will not allow it to function properly. when i fix something if i cant get it to work i try to replicate the problem on another system with one part at a time... try your juice on a truck that is running juice with no stall problems.... if it stalls your juice is deff the prob... if it doesnt swap juice and see if his stalls your truck.... im curious... and im stickin with 4.61 90 hp no problem version.... till i hear if its a juice or a compatability issue.


on edit: when you are getting juice upgrades are you getting your box reflashed, or exchanging it for another upgraded box.... could be a connection in the box.... Edited by: chevmeister

Mine is 4.61 w/ attitude ran perfectly until about a month ago ...now having intermittent stalling coming to stop....had a number of times when it cut out at freeway speeds...its disconcerting and potential safety problem.
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Experimented with many permutations and combinations of settings...with box attached it now faithfully and unpredictably does above.

Just got back from a round trip to Georgia from N. Maryland stock...didnt miss a beat. No brainer its the box!

Later Richard

I wanted to chime in here and post that my truck stalled yesterday morning. First ever stall for it. It used to have the no-start issue, but that disappeared, so I never sent it in for a software update. I don't recall the Edge and attitude versions, will have to check those later. Its not the most recent version though.


I was late for work and pushing the truck pretty hard in L4. A light up ahead turned red so I slowed down. When I got up to the light, going about 2 Mph, it turned green. I gave about 50% throttle and it died. Restarted after two tries and away I went.


Guess its time for an upgrade for me too.

Mine stalled twice on Monday afternoon. Always after stopping. Before I put the lift pump on it would take three starts to get it going but now it will start on the first try. Once in a while it will just stumble after getting back on the pedal where before the lift pump install it would die completely everytime.


andrewfessler, by the way thanks for documenting your stereo install so well. I put a sub in a few weeks ago and you saved me a ton of effort by knowing which wires to tie into.

Last Saturday morning I stopped at the Landscape supply store. I walked in and left the truck running. I was maybe gone for a few minutes. I Got back into the truck and put into reverse. It backed up ok but when I put my foot on the brake pedal and shifted into drive it Stalled on me. I immediatly put into netural. I then coasted to the stop sign. Lucky for me nobody was coming down the road. I put the transmission selector into park and re-started the truck. It has not stalled since but As I read others that have had simular problems it gets me wondering how bad this problem is and when is Edge going to resolve it. I plan to call Edge next week to see how they are progressing with a solution.


Mark

Mine did this 3 or 4 times with version 4.61.... even half stalled then kept going twice at freeway speeds.... very scary.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


Just received the 4.81 version upgraded to Hot, I hope the issue is resolved in the updated/upgraded software programming.

Why is this always Juice related. I'm at 12,800 miles and counting, and within the last month, its been chugging, smoking and knocking ever too loud. Like I explained to Edge just tonight: It hasn't been since day 1. In fact a surge every now and then really didnt bother me. I assumed the engine light would come on if I melted something. Maybe not from reading this. But the knock at temps 160-185 was just plain annoying. So, the last straw........Putting around town, nothing but strange noises coming from under the hood. Radio completely turned off just actively listening and I didnt like what I heard. Something's not right. How often do we really need to update? Is it really necessary? I was told, plug in it, install EGT and go. I have had no problem towing, overheating, stalling or not wanting to start. No truck is alike, and I think thats obvious. All this time I thought it was just me and my truck. I started to wonder, maybe I should have gone with banks 6 gun. I agree that Edge has been very helpful and seemed knowledgeable about my problems. Lets get real folks, this unit is not that easy as plugging in a programmer and de-tuning along the side of the interstate. I fear for that day now. The more I read, the more I DO NOT want to re-install it. You'd think for 800 bucks the bugs woud be worked out before selling to the public. Or maybe they rushed it to meet the demand for impatient people like us. And now, look what we get.

The saga continues....


I have been driving about a month without the e/a installed, and have had no stalls. I called Aaron at Edge and he said that he would send out a new attitude because he thought that it might be the problem.


Based on that, I reinstalled the edge this morning and drove 5 miles to work. No problems and the extra power sure is great. But this evening I pulled out into heavy traffic from my office and the engine stalled. So I will pull the juice and call Aaron on Monday to let him know. This problem is dangerous. Hopefully a new box with new programming will be better.

Send it back to Edge, get your money back, buy the 6-gun and be done with it.

Will Edge refund out money?

I would say that if it causes these problems and you're fed up with it, they would refund your money. Most everyone on this forum say that Edge has "da bomb" for customer service.

They seem to have their sh#@t together just from talking with them. I'm just hesitant about re-enstalling something under there again and having the same problems over gain. I may be better off going with a hand help programmer like Diablo Sport.

I have enjoyed my J/A, though it also has died several times... I've raced and played with vehicles for a long time now.. Everything on the market can have a glitch.. Even new, stock vehicles go in for repair.. I'm not saying it isn't dangerous... My girlfriend borrowed the truck for the first time and it died twice at a stoplight in traffic.. Needless to say, it scared her pretty bad..

Send it back to Edge, get your money back, buy the 6-gun and be done with it.


If you have something intelligent to say why don't you say it. Until then butt out!

Send it back to Edge, get your money back, buy the 6-gun and be done with it.


If you have something intelligent to say why don't you say it. Until then butt out!





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Ouch!

I just ordered an edge juice without attitude ( Ialready have gauges). I had one before back in april/may and sent it back due to the No Start issue.. And had thought that the 4.81 corrected the stalls, nostarts.. Now seeing that there are still issues am wondering if I did the right thing ordering another juice.. Any thoughts??? I can return it to the dealer with in 30 days.. for a full refund..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

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david b,


Call up Edge, you may have a truck that just doesn't work well with the Juice. Is there anyone you know that will let you hook up an Attitude and/or swap theirs to verify. . . I doubt that you could get two boxes with identical problems. If they can't help you, send it back and try something else.


Good Luck,
Dennis

have the hot oj and my trucks been doing samething. it never totally stalled but stumbled badly from red light and twice going down freeway 65+ mph. also noticed pinging/loud noises low rpms. guess i'll give edge a call tomorrow.