Well, finally got the trac bar and sleeves last week in the mail. Just like a kid at christmas, i ripped open the package like a savage beasthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. Finally got all the tape cut or pulled off of the package(must have been a hole role of tapehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif) and opened it up. WOW, what awesome work. Very high quality material, very high quality machining and great looking components. At this point, i'm not sure the truck deserves them or not, but i opt to put them on anyways. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


My bud put his on yesterday and said it was a breeze. He also loves them and is very impressed with the craftmanship and material. I/we installed mine this morning, and from start to finish of both the bar and sleeves took about an hour. Might have been alittle more, but if it was, it was only becaus of me laughing at my bud who was hung over and not feeling the best http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif as i had a couple 5 minute laughing sessioins at him.


The steering components are made with great craftmanship, high quality material and are definetely going to do the job, 110% better than the stock components. My hats of to Super Diesel http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.giffor an outstanding product and would recommend them to anyone that is looking at abusing there truck ie. truck pulling, drag racing or even just normal everyday use. Call me crazy but i think the steering is allot tighter now, and even handles the bumps better.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Thanks man! Your to good to me. I am very critical of my work. I only send out stuff I would put on my own truck. Looks like it's time to go whip some tail out in the pullin and racing fields. Super Diesel

i can't wait to get mine on.. sac raceway here i comehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Super are these 'offroad' only or can u run them all the time?


I've got some H2 guys that are interested.

post a few pics !

Super are these 'offroad' only or can u run them all the time?


I've got some H2 guys that are interested.





Yes they are a perminate fixture. Replace your factory drag/center link bar with the the new trac bar and slip the tie rod sleeves over the factory tie rods and thread them down to the factory jamb nut.


Definetely makes the truck feel allot tighter now when in on road use and going over potholes and such.


I will try to get a pic today, not sure if you will be able to really see the trac bar as the skid plate and my plow harness are in the way. I f you want to see a pic of the sleeves http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6141&PN=1 and scroll down 1/4 of the page and you'll see a pic.

I may also be interested is a set. What is the cost, and how difficult to install?


Do you need an alignment afterward, or is it even affected? Me not very smart!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif








Kevinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Heartbeat


Are these good for another 50HP?


MB

Heartbeat


Are these good for another 50HP?


MB





Oh at least 50hp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. It might actually cut a tenth or 2 off in the quarter, as you won't have so much resistance out of the hole. The truck should launch straight now, instead of side to side in a forward motion.

I may also be interested is a set. What is the cost, and how difficult to install?


Do you need an alignment afterward, or is it even affected? Me not very smart!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif











Kevinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





You'd have to ask super diesel on cost. Install on my truck was about an hour(air tools) to do the sleeves and bar. Pretty straight forward and i'm pretty sure you'd have to be pretty dupid not to be able to do it yourself. My bud did his the day before and went and got an alignment after and it wasn't that bad, still had to be tweaked a little but not too shabby. I don't think its a bad idea to get an alignment after. We did count how many turns the outer rods took to take off and put the same turns when re-installing, but had to do alittle adjusting by eyeball before we drove to the alignment shop.

Did you buy new ends? or did this kit come with evrything new?


I PM`d Super Diesel about 3 weeks ago to get some information. I have yet to hear back!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I am interested in them, But I would never buy without knowing price, and without at least pictures.


At about 60,000 tuff miles on my truck, I am thinking about replacing the ball joints at the same time. Do it once right, instead of two or more time hald a$$edhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Hey Super an you send me a PM with info and prices on your products?


Thanks


MB

Did you buy new ends? or did this kit come with evrything new?


I PM`d Super Diesel about 3 weeks ago to get some information. I have yet to hear back!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I am interested in them, But I would never buy without knowing price, and without at least pictures.


At about 60,000 tuff miles on my truck, I am thinking about replacing the ball joints at the same time. Do it once right, instead of two or more time hald a$$edhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





No i did not buy new tie rod ends. The kit came with 2 tie rod sleeves and 1 trac bar(drag link or center link, pends you talk to). Slip the sleeves over stock tie rods and replace trac bar with new one and thats it.


I cannot even start to describe the quality of these components. You can see the pic of the sleeves, and let me tell you the pic does not do it justice in my eyes. I will see if Super Diesel doesn't mind posting a pic of the trac bar before i do. Thats his call. He'll have to give you prices. I know what i paid in Canadian +shipping + duty +gst tax so it won't be a fair comparison of what you guys south of the border would pay.


My truck has 92,000kms(about 60,000miles) on it with 3 years of snow plowing and hard abuse on and off road. My stock tie rods showed no sign of wear and tear. I had thought the same thing that when this was apart i would do them, but it would have been throwing money out the window with the great condition of them.

heartbeatcanada; Thanks for the reply, and information.


As for pictures, aren`t they on your truck now? That means you can do what you wanthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif


Just kiddin`, I know he was concerned about someone coping his idea. Can`t blame him on that, with that said, I do need to see them before I buy, just as he will not sell without a signed waiver.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Hopefully I will get to install mine this weekend. Ran outa time last weekendhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I'm thinking of ordering another set so I can hang em up in my living room. They really are a work of arthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Might have to get the track bar just for some extra "BLING" if nothing elsehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

i can't wait to get mine on.. sac raceway here i comehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Take pictures along the way of the install, Please!

Anyone know where that detailed description someone posted of the sleeve install is? It was somewhere on this forumn, within the last two months or so. I can't find ithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif.


Thanks in advancehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif.

Anyone know where that detailed description someone posted of the sleeve install is? It was somewhere on this forumn, within the last two months or so. I can't find ithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif.


Thanks in advancehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif.





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6142&KW=Deadeye&PN=0&TPN=2

Heres some pics, the trac bar ones aren't the greatest as thats as far away as i could get to take the pic, without putting the truck on a hoist! Note all you southern trucks what the underside of a Canadian truck looks like that has been through 3 winters of salt, you guys have it wasy when wrenching, all my bolts are rusted and corroded bad, looks like the trucks 10 years old, by up here's standards.





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Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Thanks heartbeatcanada!


Is the trackbar a solid one piece of stainless steel. (Not tubing or pipe)

As far as i know that is a solid piece of tool steel, that has been milled to specification!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Yes, it's a solid piece of stainless. Weighs a good 20lbs or so. Definitely high quality craftsmanship. It does everything Super Diesel said it would when doing 4wd launches, and as heartbeat said, it seems to have made steering tigheter and helped out overall. It does seem to have increased turning radius by just a bit though, which is not a big deal to me.


There is a discussion in the Drag racing forum which included pricing... Here it is: http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8103&PN=1


From that discussion: "They will be $350 each plus $17 for shipping. The bar with the sleeves will be $420 plus $17 for shipping." Don't know if that has changed, but I paid the $350 for mine and picked them up... Got to treat Michael to dinner and talk and the guy definitely knows his stuff.


He even includes a great "puller" tool that will break loose the bolts on the old track bar. Would have been quite a chore without the tool. I highly recommend the bar and sleeves!

BTW u need 2 turns of the bars to keep the front at the same level as before http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Super Diesel; (Michael)


I PM`d you about purchasing the complete setup, Please check your PM!


Thanks!

The track bar does nothing to affect the ride hight. Thanks sp33d. Your a good man. It was a real pleasure talking with you. Thanks for posting the pics Heartbeat, as always, your to good to me. Hope we meet up some day. When I got my injectors changed last week, the stealer didn't even notice the beefed up components. I have a great dealer that I work with. When I showed the diesel tech, he said HOLY SH$#! Where can I get those? Super Diesel

Just recieved the track bar components today.. excellent quality for surehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif. some time definately went into making these!


way to go super diesel!!

Guys,


I installed SD's tie rod sleeves a couple weeks ago. It was a piece of cake and I really like them.


I keep going back and forth on the track bar. I like the idea of a bullet proof steering system--which the track bar would give me--but I also like the "dead spot" in the steering that is a GM trademark. I absolutely HATE http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif the way Fords drive and steer, with no dead spot in the center and their constant wandering everytime the steering wheel has any pressure on it at all.


Does this track bar make our DMaxes drive like a Ford?


Blaine

Super Diesel; I hope you have them ready for shipment, because you should receive the Money Order Monday or Tuesday. I sent it yesterday Priority Mail. I am looking forward to the installation and test afterward.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Mike atleast u won't have too worry about it rusting driving thru the deep water on your roads http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Mike atleast u won't have too worry about it rusting driving thru the deep water on your roads http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


You got that righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hey; Where bouts are you located? N. Central could be Mansfield, Mount Gilead, or a whole host of other places in this area of Ohio.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/N.Central_Ohio.JPG

Hey guys what is the point of the new trac bar? Has anyone had problems with the stockers?

Here are a couple pics of the sleeves and centerlink:


http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/rods&bar_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/rods&bar.jpg)


http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/beefy_rods2_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/beefy_rods2.jpg)

"Does this track bar make our DMaxes drive like a Ford?"


It does change the steering system. You move the steering wheel and the wheels move. There is no longer a bit of "play" as was the case on the stock steering system. For me, it's just taking a bit of getting used to. Not a big deal.


The truck definitely doesn't turn as sharp. I measured the turning radius before and after and lost 12". It also seems to "hold" a turn. The GM steering always wanted to push back when you were turning. If you were to go into a hard turn and let go of the steering wheel, the tires would always be pushed back to straight. However, with the new track bar, if you go into a hard turn, it holds that hard turn until you turn the steering wheel back.


These are all minor differences in my opinion. For what I'm getting out of the new track bar I can get used to these minor changes. Still very happy with the track bar and like I said previously, it does it's job. I don't think it's for everyone though. This is a high hp mod. If you don't drag race or sled pull, you don't need it.

Thats correct sp33d. It is for the extremist out there that want every advantage in the pullin fields or race track they can get there hands on. It is for extreme duty stuff. Thats not to say you can't run with it every day though. I do. If a person dosn't like it for every day use they can change it out with the stocker. I supply a puller with it and it takes me about 20 mins to change it, then just adjust your toe in with a tape measure. That straight line hard core acceleration in 4WD launchs is not just for the staight axles any more. Super Diesel

The reason for the track bar is so when you crank the T-bars or do any hard launching in 4WD like in racing or sled pulling, the wheels don't toe in from the tortional force created by the wheels pulling. This creats a situation where the stock track bar becomes at a disadvantage and swings up rearward on its pivot point and lets the wheels toe in. I have left black marks from the front tires for nearly a 1/4 mile before while pulling hard racing it. When you hit the breaks, the tires can toe out when the tortional force from the tires are trying to stop and makes the track bar swing down on its pivot. Watch a video with a D-max pullin a sled at the pulls some time to get an idea of what i'm talking about. It looks like the front tires are trying to kiss each other. My bar fixes this problem. Super Diesel Edited by: Super Diesel

Super Diesel thanks for the explination. I knew you offered the tie-rods supports but didn't know about the track bar until this thread. Next how about a pitman and idler arm that don't wear out so quickly?

Why the decrease in turning radius? Is the track bar not the same lenght?Edited by: y2kboti

The track bar is the same length exactly. But the leverage is at a slightly different location now. I didn't notice the increased turning radius. My truck is a CC LB Dooley. It has a big turning radius any way. The spindel housing does stop on the same A arm stop as before. I haven't messured mine.

If you want to see what the trac bar solves, have a look at this link.


http://www.diesel-central.com/Video/Video.htm Got to the Cynthiana KY pull, and click on Kevin Eikenberg in the street class and the open class. Have a look at his front tires, you can see them throwing dirt out away from the truck and not back at the rear tires in a paralell line like it should be. The trac bar will eliminate this and be one hell of a lot easier on the truck.

Ok guys, I have a question i think is related for you.


I have been having a problem with my 6" fabtech spindle lift. My problem is the turning radius difference between the inside tire and the out. I beleive the inside is suppose to be 2-3 degrees more than the outside. Mine is opposite that. The outside tire turns more than the inside causing it to scrub hard on pavement and hop on loose material. Fabtech tech support keeps telling me that it is the stock tie rods, pitman, idler arm etc along with saying they never heard of this problem before.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Now is there enough slop in these stock parts to cause this? If so why am i the only one seeing this. Shouldn't other fabtech lifted trucks have the same problem, not to mention other lift manufactures. (stock parts and all)


I have had it align a couple of times and it is always real close to factory specs


What do you guys think, Any Ideas?


oh the tech suggested Moog (sp?) aftermarket steering parts.????

Let me clarify that the only time I notice the new track bar is in sharp turns... During a recent 1500 mile road trip, as well as about 1000 city miles on it already, I have noticed absolutely no difference in the steering system unless I had to make a really sharp turn. And the only difference in doing that was it wasn't quite as sharp and I had to turn back when the turn was done rather than just let go of the steering wheel.


I haven't yet figured out why the increase in turning radius, and I'd be curious to know if others (Jeremy?) notice a larger turning radius with the new bar.

Yes my turning radius seems to be a bit bigger, but nothing to really bother me. Haven't measured to see how much more it is, but i don't think its too much.


Also in a tight turn(wheel cranked as far as it will turn) it will lock the wheels and keep going round and round, until you give it a little turn back and then she will come back to straight. Again nothing to concern me, as it only happens when at a slow speed such as in a parking lot.


Normal driving, it definetely rides better and doesn't seem to transfer the little bumps up to the steering wheel. I also cranked up the t bars another 2 turns, so its at 7 turns from stock now.


I haven't done a high boost launch yet as last week the truck was loaded with material or had the float behind it, and this weekend it pretty much didn't really stop raining enough to dry out the pavement. Hopefully tomorrow morning, will be dry enough and i'll let here rip. My bud who also installed them, said he tried a launch, and it held pretty much straight. He had previously gone to the track with me weeks ago, and he could here his front tires squeeling down the track from the tires "smiling" . Doubt thats gonna happen again.

I got word from Super Diesel that my track bar and sleeves should be here later this week.


Once I was able to get a return PM from him things went very smooth and he has kept me informed every step.


I even heard from him late at night and on Sunday. I think that is pretty cool for someone to stay on top of the situation regardless of the time or day.


I look forward to getting them installed.


Thanks again Super Diesel!

I've got em coming. Super has been great to deal with.


MB

Well yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaa. Just tried my first 4x4 10lb launch. No side to side, just full straight ahead go power. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Seems to sit me back in the seat a bit more, maybe some of that energy that was being exerted to the side to side is now transfered to the striaght ahead movement. Of coarse none of this is scientific, but just seat of the pants or should i say my spine tells me its being crunched further in the seat http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif.

Accidentally hit a parking block over the weekend at some speed that was off to the side of the road. Had the camper on the truck for a combined weight of 12,000 lbs. The trucks front end hopped in the air. Besides a flat front tire (and a flat on the rim), alignment was still perfect. WOW. Thats the most extreme test I've done so far and not looking to top it either. With out the sleeves on there I would have been stranded! I got standed on an Island with my boat while trying to bo battle with the 9-10 foot crested roller waves over the weekend (because of the wind). Coast Gaurd had to rescue me. Thank god for cell phones. Took them 5.5 hours to get to me. That was enough of being stranded for one weekend. Glad to be back and still alive! Super Diesel

Finally got the sleeves installed today.. drag strip tomorrow night! Way to go Super Diesel. Ken Imler who put them on for me was impressed with the quality!


http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves1_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves1.jpg) http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves2_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves2.jpg)

Finally got the sleeves installed today.. drag strip tomorrow night! Way to go Super Diesel. Ken Imler who put them on for me was impressed with the quality!


http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves1_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves1.jpg) http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves2_sm.jpg (http://www.wackywack.com/images/dmax/tierodsleeves2.jpg)


What took you so long?


I now have several hundred miles on them and am getting ready for another 3000-4000 Miles on an up coming vacation. (Starts this Saturday)


But anyway; It seems to have a little stiffer steering, I can not tell any difference in the steering radius. I did one 4x4 launch in a 1/4 mile run. At 1000 rpm launch the front felt pretty good, but not nearly perfect. (There was some back and forth pulling, I can only imagine what a 10# boost launch would do to the tie-rods even with this upgradehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif) Scare me enough too be doing that much, I do not want to be breaking it. And in my opinion, the tie-rod could very easily break. It most likely would not bend in the middle, however it still is puny where the sleeve ends. (There is more then 1 1/2" from the end of the sleeve to the boot at the center link.

It would take a gread deal of force to bend the tie rods with the tie rod sleaves. There is no enough leverage to bend the small little part that is left IMO. I am sure Super Diesel and others have studied the physics.

You may be right!


I am much more comfortable with them on, but am not 100% sure they are the total answer. As seen at the Muncie truck pull, There was still flex with all the trucks. None of the sleeved trucks bent, but still had noticeable flex.

I've got my sleeves on and have tried a couple 4x4 launches with a hair under 3 psi. Takes off straight and hard with the 125 juice. Steering feels the exact same. I had my alignment checked and was only off a very small amount on my toe. I cranked my t bars 3/4" when I first got my truck and my camber was off a few degreeeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Dont know if that was the t bar crank or the factory was off. My truck always rode down the road staright as an arrow even after I did the sleeves and I saw no difference before after the alignment but I will say I have some strange front tire wear. I though it was becuase of having the plow up front and in the winter I ran with max inflation(over inflated with the plow off actually but I needed it that high with it on)


From now on I will get my alignment checked after I crank the bars on any vehical. Still dont know if the 3/4" is what threw it off though





Thanks SuperDiesel!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif For the workmanship/quality and what these things address 75$ shipped is definatly reasonable!

hdmax


witch trucks were sleeved? How bad do they look? I remeber the pic of the pewter truck and at first glance I though he broke. Man them tires were trying to kiss each other! The T bars dropped?


Who was running sleeved rods and a draglink? Or braced draglink and if they braced it what did they do???


The drag link whats bending?


JMO but if it were bending much with what is left of the tie rod that would be a sharp bend to get the tire movment shown in the vids. I dont think it would come back from that kinda bend.....

Ok nobody replied to my question so here is a pic.


Outside tire turns in more than the inside.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/dmax6-6_007a1.jpg


I had to adjust (shorten) the tierods about 1/4" each side after the lift, and now i think about it. I think that would cause my problem. It would pull the outside tire in more and push the inside tire out less compared to stock config. Right???


Question then: will the tie rod sleeve still fit with tie rods shortened 1/4" without shortening them?

1/4" shorter tie rid will still accept the sleeves.


I'm not too hip on steering geometryhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Is your toe close? I mean have you measured it? Does it alighn right? I dont know whats involved with the lift and if that is the root of your probs?

Thanks Ratlover


The truck drives nice better than stock i think. Alignment always stays within fatory specs.


it is just this turning in the parking lot issue.

a little toe in while pulling is ok because it throws the dirt away from the rear tires

heartbeatcanada's truck with Super Diesel's centerlink looked good with a slight toe in going down the track with the torsen bars turned up to clear the 33x12.5x17 tires and no strapping with a locked front end.

When pulling, if you can feel it pulling side to side you have too much toe in. If you can't feel it in steering wheel it isn't enough to worry about.

Mine has a little toe in going down the track with 1200# hanging off the front with the torsen bars not turned down for weight clearance and a single strap on the centerlink. I can't feel the steering wheel pulling side to side and that's with a locked front end.

This is what a little toe in looks like (http://duramaxracing.com/MichealTomac-DuramaxRacing.com-TIM04-SDfinals.mpg)Edited by: mtomac

Some of the Dmax's at TIM really look like the front tires where trying to hold hands or something. If I'm not mistaken, didn't someone break there tierods pullin.

while there were a few that had some ugly toe in only one guy needed to visit the welder before going home

Once again thatks for sharing your experince! Really helpfull!


I would like to try a truck pull or 2 just for grins. I figure with my 265's I can get the front down quite a bit. I also at the most would be running a 200hp tuen and nothing else. More than likely I wont have my trany done by then yet and just have a 125hp juice. I have my plow mounts that would be easy to hang some weight on but more than likely I wont go that route since it would kinda be a PITA for the limited amount I may actually do. Probably just stick weight in the bed close to the cab.


Strapping th link a good idea I assume? Or not needed at my level or even suspected level?


So mike you run 285's pulling with the bars droped as far as will allow, sleeved factory tierids and a straped factory draglink. Front end locked. Only differnce on the strip is no strap and not locked right?

Make a front weight bar and hang everything you can up there.

Strapping the centerlink is a good idea along with lowered torsen bars without weight on the front. With enough weight on the front the torsen bars don't need to be turned down but you will still need to strap the centerlink.

At muncie I used my 285 BFG AT's, I did not drop the torsen bars, but I had 1200# on the front weight bar, with sleeved factory tierids and a single strap on the middle of the factory centerlink and the front end locked

At the dragstrip I drop the torsen bars all the way down and don't run a strap on the centerlink. I lock the front end if traction is poor like it was at Muncie.

With Super Diesel's centerlink you don't have to strap the front end or turn down the torsen bars for pulling or dragracing. With his sleeves you don't have to worry about the stock inner tie rods bendingEdited by: mtomac

Maybe I will just run with my plow on, thats 900# and it sticks off the front a good deal. And in the V position I would be more aerodynamichttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Seriously thoughhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif I suppose I could rig up something fairly easy. Weight off the front as apposed to in the bed make that big of a difference? I mean, I'm not going to do this much and more than likely I will just have a 125 hp box I doubt I will really be competitive anyway??? Even with a trany/big tune and a big box at a local event I will probably get my butt handed to me.


I dont want to get into this stuff heavily because I know what will happen. I have enough exensive hobbyshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I now know why the trucks that are running with the Beefy track bar and sleeves are still encountering some (slight) toe in while pulling in 4WD. While the major part of the problem has been fixed, the A arms are still able to pivot slightly forward on the bushings that alow them to move up and down. The Beefy rods do not flex any. They are stout as a rock. I found this out while pulling a 20 yard dumpster that was full of consruction garbage. I'm not shure that even high energy bushings or moog components would fix this one. The toe in that we get now is so minimized (in only pulling situations), I'm not worried about it. On edit; hdmax, I've done 1800 rpm launches in 4WD running the TTS program stacked with a Hot O/J and a Duramaximizer with N2O and backed up with a shot of water/nitro injection and I didn't get any squerly action. Just straight forward acceleration. Check your toe in. You'll be fine. Keep the faith Bro. You might need a front end locker now. Mine is a dooley, so the rears keep it pretty stright. Super Diesel Edited by: Super Diesel

What about running with the factory draglink? I guess mike hasnt turned one into a pretzle yet so it cant be that weak right? Although I guess with the beefy bar and the sleeves I could do fullboost launches on the street and not have to worry about my bars being droped. Although I believe with my 265's and T-bars only 3/4" over stock(a arms are pretty level) I dont have as much to worry about as some guys???

. On edit; hdmax, I've done 1800 rpm launches in 4WD running the TTS program stacked with a Hot O/J and a Duramaximizer with N2O and backed up with a shot of water/nitro injection and I didn't get any squerly action. Just straight forward acceleration. Check your toe in. You'll be fine. Keep the faith Bro. You might need a front end locker now. Mine is a dooley, so the rears keep it pretty stright. Super Diesel


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The stock track bar is realy strong. You wont bend it unless you jump your truck off a building or something. It is just at a disadvantage to keep the wheels from toeing in when you launch in 4WD. The front end raises and it's all over. Like that crazy power hu? I'm going for more now. It leaves some mightly long twin burn out patches in rear wheel drive. SUPER DIESELS,,,, up up and away.

i think i need to lower my torsion bars more next time. last night i dropped them 8 turns and i got a bit of side to side off the line, but not near as bad as it was before i lowered them... granted i was launching at 2000RPM with tts extreme..

With pulling and having weight on the nose I'm sure it will help keep the front down. It didnt look like mikes truck raised real hard and thats with quite a bit more power, maybe just up 2" max???


With my plow on I get about 1.5" max drop. Figure the same for weight and with a bit of droped bars I would be at factory hight with a 2" raise at a hard launch.

i think i need to lower my torsion bars more next time. last night i dropped them 8 turns and i got a bit of side to side off the line, but not near as bad as it was before i lowered them... granted i was launching at 2000RPM with tts extreme..


That is what I was talking about. I do not have near the power/torque you have and was only revving 1000, but I have the green keys so I am sure I was much higher. And I did not like the feel in the front end.

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Thanks, White Duramax. Some are really asking questions about these things now. More folks are getting into the power thing and see the need. The set up gives us a better shot at being competitive against the other brands. Thanks goes out to all for the support of this product. I feel truly lucky to be a part of it all.

No problem SD, you have built some great products. When I have the funds I will be getting your center link and tie rod sleeves also. How is the water/meth kit coming along?? Edited by: White Duramax

It's not right now. Alot of problems to work out. For one, lifting heads. We dont need that kind of stuff with our trucks. I was running a large amount of other stuff as well, but the results could be the same with missuse. I don't want to steer any one down the wrong road. LLY101 seems to be having some luck with it. I had lots of luck for a little while as well. I never liked the increased noise assocciated with it when I turned it on though. I tried different amounts of water/meth mixtures and different nozzle sizes and pressures. The only thing that really worked with no extra noise was with pure water. I like the power gains and temp decrease with the methonol added though.

engine noise? Because of timing?

Detonation issues. Every truck I've heard run it has the same sound though. The 10-15% water/meth mix seems to be ok. I have a manifold that I built to plumb it in with, and nozzles that screw in from the out side with quick releases available if any one is interested.

Finally got around to installing the centerlink friday. steering feels more solid when bouning into my driveway. haven't noticed the turning radius being much worse (i expected more). also doesn't really feel "heavier" than the stock steering. nice piece!