Ok, my truck is dead in the water and I am Fuming!!! Have had the Juice attitude for a little less than a week now and it has been giving me the starting problems as many others have had. but now my truck will not start at all!! I unplugged the juice and plugged in the factory connectors so it was back to stock, still no start. so then i plugged in the juice again, still no start. I tried waiting 15 seconds, opening the door, etc. etc. still it just cranks away. I am smokin!!!!! what am i gonna do? I was lucky my truck was in the driveway and i was home, what if i wasnt? I would be stuck with no way to get home!!! Someone please help me!!!! -Jeff Edited by: wsucowboy

Wonder if your alarm might have something to do with it?

No SES light?

Check fuel filter?Edited by: hoot

not the alarm, its the classic "crank like it has no fuel" that the edge does. The SES light has come on. What should i check on the fuel filter?

Leave Edge disconnected. Disconnect battery for 30 minutes. Reconnect, say prayer, try again. Hope this helps!

oh and another thing it did earlier today, it started after the third try, and then i proceeded down the road and as soon as i stepped on the throttle the rpm's went down to 0 then back to 1000 then down to 0, back and forth back and forth until i let off the throttle, i pulled over, killed it, started it back up, after the 3rd try again, and it did the 0-1000-0 thing again. i pulled over again and killed it, this time it started on the 2nd try and it no longer did the 0-1000-0 thing. I am getting pretty fed-up!! -Jeff

oh and another thing it did earlier today, it started after the third try, and then i proceeded down the road and as soon as i stepped on the throttle the rpm's went down to 0 then back to 1000 then down to 0, back and forth back and forth until i let off the throttle, i pulled over, killed it, started it back up, after the 3rd try again, and it did the 0-1000-0 thing again. i pulled over again and killed it, this time it started on the 2nd try and it no longer did the 0-1000-0 thing. I am getting pretty fed-up!! -Jeff


I assume that all happened with the Edge hooked up?

ya, this happened on my way to class this morning, juice was hooked up and after it stopped the 0-1000-0 thing it was just as strong as ever black smoke all the way to class. on the way home from class I had to try and start it 3 times before it would start.

WTF Now it starts!!!! Where do i send this POS to get it fixed??? and do i have to go buy new shrinktube for the Pyro leads? or do i get new stuff when i get it back? oh and do i also have to send in the attitude monitor? I hope not because it is in kind of a permanent location.

easy there. There is a 99.999999999% that it is your remote start passlock security system bypass. That will behave exactly as you describe. It will crank and crank but not start. Walk away for 30 mins and come back and it will fire right up. It is not the juice. Remember, you removed the juice and it still wouldn't start.


You have an astroflex remote start, do you know what kind of passlock bypass was used?

It also should set a code for this IIRC.





Keep in mind, the Juice is NOT the only thing that can cause no starts. Could be air, injectors, VTD fuel disable...

ya, this happened on my way to class this morning, juice was hooked up and after it stopped the 0-1000-0 thing it was just as strong as ever black smoke all the way to class. on the way home from class I had to try and start it 3 times before it would start.


You are not alone. I have experienced the same thing. Process of elimination led me to the Edge. But had to turn off lots of other stuff and wait for the problem to return. Seems more prevalent when the weather turns hot.

One thing to check is the connections where you plug the Juice into on the engine. The pins in the plugs bend easy and will push out of the back of the connector sometimes. Remove the wire plugs and take a flash light and look at the pins, checking for bent ones and see that they all sticking out the same amount. If any are pushed back reach in with a small set of pliers and gently pull towards the end of the connector to reseat them.

i just got back from driving it and all is well, although that might not be the case when i go to try and start it next time. As far as the Passlock goes how do i find out if that is the problem? and if it is how do i fix it? I had a 4.71 juice box awhile back before I got the passlock put in and it use to do the same thing (no start). one time it wouldnt let me start it even after the thing was back to stock. the passlock NEVER gave me any issues until i put in the juice. -Jeff

You have an astroflex remote start, do you know what kind of passlock bypass was used?





I am not sure but i can go find out pretty easily. But i really dont think thats what it is. I had the remote start for about 3 months before i finally got around to getting the passlock put it, on a couple occasions i accidentally hit the start button and it did the cranking thing, but this just seems different. -Jeff

15 pumps of the primer ....starts right up for me...inconvenient but the price of power

I will give that a shot Juice! good talkin to ya! thanks all -Jeff Edited by: wsucowboy

You have an astroflex remote start, do you know what kind of passlock bypass was used?





I am not sure but i can go find out pretty easily. But i really dont think thats what it is. I had the remote start for about 3 months before i finally got around to getting the passlock put it, on a couple occasions i accidentally hit the start button and it did the cranking thing, but this just seems different. -Jeff





I've seen them act up years down the road.


Get accustomed to how your security light behaves under normal cirmcumstances. Then next time it acts up pay close attention to the security light. For some reason they don't flash like they do in other gm vehicles when they act up. But there is different behavior. Because you completly disconnected the juice and still had problem, that leads me to believe that the juice is not the problem unless there are pins bent like kennedy mentioned earlier. Not likely the case since the problem 'fixed itself'. If it were me, I would disconnet the passlock bypass to see if that is the problem or not. It's not really a do it yourself project though.

is there a way to fix the passlock if thats what it is??

is there a way to fix the passlock if thats what it is??


Definately. But I recommend that your installer do it. I also recommend updating to a PL-Data to prevent any future problems. http://www.bypasskit.com/proddetails.asp?prodid=PLDATA


Where are you located?

Pullman Wa. (south east corner of washington), I think I can do it myself, I am pretty handy with a soldering iron and some dikes.

Think you shoul have it scanned before you start throwing money at it.


mike

Get that PL-Data. Pull out the existing bypass. Reconnect the cut factory wires if any. Wire in the new bypass. The only thing is that some bypass' have a built in relay to power up a second ignition wire. The PL-Data does not. So you might need a relay to take care of that.


Even if the currenty bypass kit is not the problem, chance are it could give you trouble in the future anyways.

okay dumb question time, what is "PL-Data"? and why would the bypass have a realy for a 2nd ignition wire? thanks -Jeff

oops, ok i got the PL-Data thing. Im an idiot -Jeff

Because lots of new vehciles have more ignition wires then older ones. Lots of remote starts don't have enough ignition outputs so the bypass kit manufacturers were including a built in relay so that installers didn't have to add another relay. Also older passlock I systems required different hookups so they made them universal. Get the part # of the kit that is installed now and also the mafacturer and I will help you get an installation manual and we can see what is required to reverse it.

okey dokey, ill go run out and check, thanks i really appreciate this! -Jeff

okay got it, its a DEI model 555L, does that help?

Here is the installtion manual


http://www.directed.com/guides/manuals/ig/accessories/N555L_7-02B.pdf



The good news is that the relay that I was talking about earlier is not used in the 555.


What do you want to do? Do you want to disconnect this permanantly? Or do you want to disconnect just to try it? Are you going to get PL-Data?

I think i will disconnect it permanently, I will get the PL-Data, but i saw on the website you gave me that i have to buy at least 2, is there anywhere else i can get them? also when i disconnect the DEI passlock which wires do i keep or do i keep any? thanks -Jeff

I can sell you one if you can't find one locally.





On the truck there is a yellow wire that will be cut. It will have the yellow and yellow black from the 555L connected to it. You need to reconnect the yellow wire to itself and disconnec the 555L.


The wire that is now connected to the red wire of the 555L will need to be connected to the orange of the PLdata. (probably connected to the red/white wire of the astro start)


The wire that is now connected to the purple wire of the 555L will need to be connected to the brown wire of the PLdata. (probably connected to the green wire of the astro start)


The black wire from the PLdata will need to go to ground.

The purple wire from the PLdata will need to go the purple wire of the ALDL of the truck. The directions will show you how to do this.

The rest of the wires on the 555L will no longer be used. They can be cut off and taped.

I have had problems with my passlock system on an older truck starting about a year after the remote start was installed.


I have decided, because of the problems with the passlock, to not install a remote start on my DMax.

andrew, a remote start can be installed without problems. If you use a PL-data device used earlier it will never leave you stranded.

I just got off the phone with Jared at Edge. He is going to send me the latest upgraded Juice box @no cost!!! He took great care of me and was genuinely concerned with how to make everything better. I will update the forum when i receive the new box and if it fixed my problems or not!! thanks for everyones help!! -Jeff

Received my new Juice box today!!! Version 4.81, absolutely love it!! no starting problems yet and It takes just as long to turn over as it does when its stock, It seemed like it use to take forever but now its right away!!! If you have the old version I highly recommend getting it upgraded!! -Jeff


BTW, Max Power did ya forget about me??

Received my new Juice box today!!! Version 4.81, absolutely love it!! no starting problems yet and It takes just as long to turn over as it does when its stock, It seemed like it use to take forever but now its right away!!! If you have the old version I highly recommend getting it upgraded!! -Jeff


BTW, Max Power did ya forget about me??





Yes I did. I will get on it first thing tomorrow morning. Sorry. I also kind of assumed that you found the problem with the juice.


I'll PM you tomorrow.