My buddy keeps bragging about how the fords (even with their problems) are the greatest. He says the Torqshift is bulletproof compared to the Allison. Can these trannys really take on the big HP or are they slipping like the Allison????


Mike L. ,


What's your take on this? Honestly....

Depends on who you talk too ....


Biggest down fall is the Torqushift does not have fail safe mode ....Once it is overpowered and slipped it's to late ...


Old school dipstick sniffers ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Funny how this came up after my good buddy Dwayne (service manager for one of the biggest Ford dealers around) came to visit this afternoon. He was looking for a trans man or someone good enough to train. I asked him about the 6.0 Ford diesel ( I was going to buy one at one time) and he said they are still having BIG issues with the engine. Ford is no longer surveying customers about the PSD (bad sign) His dealership has a bunch of buy backs. I asked why IH has not had the same problems with the 6.0 and he said that Ford redesigned everything on the engine to their specs. Looks like that was a bad move. He said even now was not a good time to consider a 6.0. I am sorry that one of our premier American car companys has let this happen. I root for GM of course, but these are our people, I don't like to see this. As far as the 5R110 trans goes, they are not having very many problems with it because nobody is pushing it with programs. Customers are terrified of losing warranty (as well they should be). I spent some time on Dieselstop.com (Ford oriented) and got banned because I questioned a Ford engineer about this trans. Seems the guys that pushed Quad and Dennis Perry for power got more than they bargained for. The trucks ran strong, but there was a lot of backlash blaming the tuners for the trans problem. Dennis can explain this better than I. Steve Cole (TTS-Diesel Tech) had a new '03 6.0 and had a lot of problems. Transgo had his truck for some R/D and smoked his trans when Steve had them install one of his mild programs. I have to admit one thing; when his truck ran properly, it was quick. Stock for stock, a 6.0 Ford will beat a Duramax every time.


mike

I believe the 5R110 has closer gear ratios between 1st and 2nd vs the Allison. I think this is one reason the 6.0 PSD will out run a Dmax/Alli, especially an LB7.


The new LLY with the same VVT should have closed the gap and help overcome the larger drop off between 1st and 2nd on the Alli.

Does the 6.0 have a converter/EGR?

Yes and yes.


I know of several Torqshift trannys that got pushed a little bit too hard around here and they went tango uniform. No limp mode becomes a liability pretty fast above 400 RWHP on that puppy.


Granted the Ally can't hack it either but we all know you can fix that for the right amount of cash. There are no tranny upgrades for the TS that I am aware of yet.

Coming soon.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Still a P/S in my book.


mike

Comercial application coming for torqshift in 2006 MY

Comercial application coming for torqshift in 2006 MY
Yea but any horse power applications?

The alli is a commercial trans too.

lets just say the powerstroke is going to grow larger and have dual turbo's and torque output will be more than 640-lb ft :ro)

Yeah right. It'll still be in third though

Everyone has heard the rumor...6.4 Liter, Two Turbos, CR injection, afterburners, wheelie bars, chute:D...but if they don't have their crap together like last time it will still suck.

Or reflashed down to 225 hp and 400 torque w/ the rattle back.

Exactly:badidea:

lets just say the powerstroke is going to grow larger and have dual turbo's and torque output will be more than 640-lb ft :ro)


Ford NEEDS more than one turbo to get above 640-lb ft!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

lets just say the powerstroke is going to grow larger and have dual turbo's and torque output will be more than 640-lb ft :ro)
I. Don't think ford will put dual turbos on a stock diesel from factory. But i could be wrong? Ford has copied gm. on the diesel like 5 speed tranny/tow/haul.boush common rail injection. 4 vavle heads variable responce turbo. droped the 7.3 and rebuilt it (6.0). And i did see ford was going to alumanuim heads in 06. Ford has had a loss in sale's since the duramax in 01. and now its more clear to see that they are getting very worried that gm is realy killing there sales w/ dual turbos. The power stroke is a good diesel its proved it self. But the duramax is taking its place also

I. Don't think ford will put dual turbos on a stock diesel from factory. But i could be wrong? Ford has copied gm. on the diesel like 5 speed tranny/tow/haul.boush common rail injection. 4 vavle heads variable responce turbo. droped the 7.3 and rebuilt it (6.0). And i did see ford was going to alumanuim heads in 06. Ford has had a loss in sale's since the duramax in 01. and now its more clear to see that they are getting very worried that gm is realy killing there sales w/ dual turbos. The power stroke is a good diesel its proved it self. But the duramax is taking its place also

EXACTLY!:funnypost

I say good for Ford... competition is good for us in the long run. Since this market is kinda a "bragging rights" segment, a better Ford will only push GM to turn out a better product. Is the D-Max/Alli good? You bet! Could it be improved? Sure could!

ford better do a little beter r&d this time, their 6.0 suck big time, dodge and gm went out and found a reliable motor, then used it, ford has to try in make their own and changes it on the customers penny, not real professional

ford better do a little beter r&d this time, their 6.0 suck big time, dodge and gm went out and found a reliable motor, then used it, ford has to try in make their own and changes it on the customers penny, not real professional
I thought International built the Ford PS engine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif

I like the alli much better driving than my dads 05 "powerchicken" as my bud calls it. TH mode dosnt seem to lock the converter all the time and such, tahts one thing I love about the allison.

lets just say the powerstroke is going to grow larger and have dual turbo's and torque output will be more than 640-lb ft :ro)Is the second turbo backup, when the first one fails? ):h

:funnypost :muahaha:

Ford is have problems with the torque shift there was some guys :cussing: about it on plow site some thing about a snap ring and the planetaries coming loose and cracking the case. Truck with less than 500 miles on them too.

there are currently two seperate recalls on the torqslip tranny

The town I live in just bought 4 new Fords( low bidder by a couple bucks, die hard Ford guys) So far 2 05's have blown their TS. One went at 1400 miles F-350 srw, One other went at 4200. F-350 Drw dump truck. One of my friends has a first year 6.0/TS and has bout 28K plowing, towing, work miles and hasnt had any issues. Could it be the tranny cant hold the added power for 05'. Its was funny they buy New Fords and end up driving the spare 95 6.5s that are bout ten years old. Sucks seeing my tax dollars get wasted, Never mind the new trucks have a Fleet option of PW,AC,HM,AT Dont know why they need AC never seen them work hard enough to sweat.
My opinion of the torque shift isnt too bad to be honest, shifts clean &sharp, TH is very aggressive(slide sideways on sand with plow on (downshift) But thats on a truck with 28K mine still shifts like that at 78K with Juice etc for 68K.
Time will tell.
Bill

I love the torqeslip comment,btw I work for a company that has alot of fords in theyer fleet-lots o problems-6.0,tranny....and computer breakdowns-any one interested in real fleet probs,with the fords, I will be glad to add factual info.-michael-btw-latest buys are chevy's d-max,not to stir the pot or nothin-

I thought International built the Ford PS engine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif
navastar or whomever but i was told that ford strayed from navastar to force their own objective on the motor to get the 6.0 rather than the 7.3.

btw why would they ever go from a 7.3 to a 6.0 ? that seems stupid in my book! why not power up and change the 7.3 with the stuff they put on the 6.0 powerjoke and ease power more with displacement and less with technology and let the tech come around slowly and add more power that way.

ford was down right stupid! they could have used a ton of the same parts and made the 7.3 last a long time and been way ahead rather than go down to the cummins displacement (just a fuz above rather) and play catch up to a 6.6 duramax.

navastar or whomever but i was told that ford strayed from navastar to force their own objective on the motor to get the 6.0 rather than the 7.3.

btw why would they ever go from a 7.3 to a 6.0 ? that seems stupid in my book! why not power up and change the 7.3 with the stuff they put on the 6.0 powerjoke and ease power more with displacement and less with technology and let the tech come around slowly and add more power that way.

ford was down right stupid! they could have used a ton of the same parts and made the 7.3 last a long time and been way ahead rather than go down to the cummins displacement (just a fuz above rather) and play catch up to a 6.6 duramax.
They went with the 6.0 for emission reasons. The 6.0 is know for being unreliable, but power comes much more easily than the 7.3.

By the way that little 5.9 Cummins has no problem making BIG power, with less displacement.:ro)

I have both... every manufacturer has problems with one thing or another... Goto thedieselstop or TDR and they will all complain (but not in front of you guys)

As for the 05' torqueshifts... they are blowing up pretty consistently with plow ing.... Check plowsite.com or snowplowing-contractors.com/forums

Someone said it earlier about the allison... with enough cash it could survive. Same with all three. Start pushing 400hp and they all go BOOM.

That being said.... I am driving an 05' 5500 4x4 for plowing this year and not my 7.3 4r100 cause I was getting stuck on the side of the road (I got a lemon)

the allison doesn't go boom when adding lots of power it just burns up some clutches

navastar or whomever but i was told that ford strayed from navastar to force their own objective on the motor to get the 6.0 rather than the 7.3.

btw why would they ever go from a 7.3 to a 6.0 ? that seems stupid in my book! why not power up and change the 7.3 with the stuff they put on the 6.0 powerjoke and ease power more with displacement and less with technology and let the tech come around slowly and add more power that way.

ford was down right stupid! they could have used a ton of the same parts and made the 7.3 last a long time and been way ahead rather than go down to the cummins displacement (just a fuz above rather) and play catch up to a 6.6 duramax. If GM had done this, you'd be driving a 6.5 and dealing with all of its problems instead of moving forward into a better engine like the Dmax.