Here are some graphs from yesterdays dyno day in Lewisville.


The truck is a 04' LLY-Alli CC,4X4 Dually.


first graph is stock. (notice the rough curve?)


second graph is the 120 Quadzilla module.


third is, well I wish I could tell youhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big%20Smile.gif


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What kind of test run were these? Very funny curves, where's the low end torque?

Locked in 4th gear.

my question would be why the baseline is so low. that baseline looks just like a stock LB7 for HP/TQ.

That's what we can't figure out. This truck dyno's 40 hp lower stock than the other other LLY we have.

I am impressed with the 464 hp that truck layed down. I`m with Diesel Power on the base line, it looks as if GM lied about the power boost.


Off topic:


Do you work at Quadzilla? if so, Have you heard anything about the new and improved Stealth that Quad mentioned to a few of us? And when is it do out? (It is said to have a couple new features.)


I have e-mailed him (Three weeks ago) and have not heard back.

Looks like a DynoJet was used....providing almost "0" resistance. Take that thing up to John Kennedy's place and then give us some numbers. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


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Off topic:


Do you work at Quadzilla? if so, Have you heard anything about the new and improved Stealth that Quad mentioned to a few of us? And when is it do out? (It is said to have a couple new features.)





If your talking about the new 165 and 215 tunes, they are out already. I got mine last week, and the light/part throttle torque is way up. Also, the old tune had a surge at 1700, that is gone with the new tune. The Allison is still adapting, so I havn't tried any locked WOT runs yet.

No I don't work for Quadzilla. I am not on the payroll anyway.

As for the low base line, the other LLY is almost always 40 hp higher than this one. May just have a low performer.

And the Dynojet zero resistance deal, there was 12v that put down 782 hp. Here is a pic of all the standings for the trucks that had rolled when I left.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/dyno_day_001.jpg

What happened to the torque? could the mph instead of rpm change the shape of the curve?


"third is, well I wish I could tell you"

don't get sucked in to one of his recipeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/549_12_4_54.gifEdited by: sdaver

"third is, well I wish I could tell you"

don't get sucked in to one of his recipeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/549_12_4_54.gif

huh? i know exactly what was done I am not sure if he wanted me to say what it was. If you want this setup call them and they can set you up. Later.

Put one of those things in a known and respected persons truck on this board and we might believe it. Send one to McRat. He don't lie.


mike

Off topic:


Do you work at Quadzilla? if so, Have you heard anything about the new and improved Stealth that Quad mentioned to a few of us? And when is it do out? (It is said to have a couple new features.)





If your talking about the new 165 and 215 tunes, they are out already. I got mine last week, and the light/part throttle torque is way up. Also, the old tune had a surge at 1700, that is gone with the new tune. The Allison is still adapting, so I havn't tried any locked WOT runs yet.





NOPE! Has nothing to doing the tunes!

"third is, well I wish I could tell you"

then why did you post the graph?
is it an lly? on just #2? or are you not "allowed" to inform ushttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

is the trans modded?Edited by: 95geo

I knew this the way you guys would react. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


The 464 is the same stock LLY as in the first graph. It doesn't have any trans mods. It does have exhaust. If there would have been another LLY I am sure he could of used the module. I have to go to work.

Awesome numbers -- maybe there will be life after the LB7... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I knew this the way you guys would react. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


The 464 is the same stock LLY as in the first graph. It doesn't have any trans mods. It does have exhaust. If there would have been another LLY I am sure he could of used the module. I have to go to work.








Why do you feel were crying ??


I have to wonder your motive myself as others do .... Don't take this wrong ...


But,


Lets see 19 posts ,you drive a Ford,your not on the payroll,you have a Q-Tuner as your avatar and your talking up Duramax LLY tuner ....Most of the Post are in the Duramax Forums ... One would think you would talk up the Six -litter (spelling correct) tuner stuff ....


Really doesen't matter but Odd ! Just so you might see where people may be coming from ...


Where they 1 to 1 ratio runs ?? Correction facture??





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I knew this the way you guys would react. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


The 464 is the same stock LLY as in the first graph. It doesn't have any trans mods. It does have exhaust. If there would have been another LLY I am sure he could of used the module. I have to go to work.








Why do you feel were crying ??


I have to wonder your motive myself as others do .... Don't take this wrong ...


But,


Lets see 19 posts ,you drive a Ford,your not on the payroll,you have a Q-Tuner as your avatar and your talking up Duramax LLY tuner ....Most of the Post are in the Duramax Forums ... One would think you would talk up the Six -litter (spelling correct) tuner stuff ....


Really doesen't matter but Odd ! Just so you might see where people may be coming from ...


Where they 1 to 1 ratio runs ?? Correction facture??





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif








I follow you. I was at the Dyno Day (a Ford PSD event) with my cameras. I don't like to admit it in public but I am really jealous of you guys (D-Max). I was pretty impressed so I thought you guys might want to see some results.


I have over 500 posts at the TDS. I try to learn all I can about all the brands, especially when we share a turbo. (VVT)


I don't know the correction factor if any, but I do know that the truck was locked in 4th with Tech 2.


Oh and it's not a tuner.


On a side note if any of you guys want more info than I can give you could always go straight to the source.

First let me say that I really did not want to post, but I think there needs to be some clarification.


I do work for Quadzilla and I am the Sales Manager. Lets start at the top and work our way down.


This test was done on a dynojet, at an event. There were tons of people standing around, so it was not some sort of hoax. If any of you had ever run a truck on a dynojet in 4th gear youwould know that is exactly what the graphs look like everytime. They are always funny looking because you lug the truck and it has to build boost to make the power. I am not real sure what you guys would like to see? You want 5th gear runs? You want goofy charts? Anytime you do a proper run on a dynojet they will look exactly as these charts do. They will also look exacltly like this for a 6spd.


Yes the stock numbers are low? It is a dually and that can account for a couple of hp lost. This is one of the very first trucks out so maybe it just sucks? My personal truck made 289rwhp with the exhaust. Regardless on that dyno it made 247. On another dynoejet it made 251. I guess you can call Isuzu and rake them across the coals?





Yes the new tunes are out for 165hp and 215hp. We had a truck run at the dyno, an 04 LB7 and he ran 464 and 848 with only a tuner. I mean no exhaust no intake, no wastegate changes, nothing. I belive he ran about 250/422 stock. Yes there were witnesses, yes we used the Tech 2, shoulda been there if you don't believe it? Go ask the Dodge boys, they are more than impressed with these trucks.


Sdaver,





How would you like to get stomped by an LLY? Seems you never bring any usefull info to the threads. I have watched for a long time.


MikeL,


Why did he not post a dyno chart from his truck then? he has mods and claims he loves them and that they make power, lets see some charts.


The last place we would send this is to someone elses customer.





95GEO,


This is just to show what they are capable of at this moment. IF we had not posted it, everyone would say we couldn't make it. Now that we do it makes you mad?? We develop stuff as you can tell. Our trucks stay under development. So for right now we posted it because we have the baddest LLY in existsance. Is that bad? If I were to sell it to you right now would you buy one? Or would you want me to test at those power levels for a while? It was on #2, it was on a stock tranny, although the tranny does not think it is funny. We would prefer him not to tell. We did pop our hood at the dyno event as not to hide anything. It is a freee country and if someone wishes to tell what they saw they are more than welcome to.





Michigan_Joe,


They will not make the power of the LB7. If you want a big power truck go and buy an 04 LB7 if you can find one. We were hoping Quads LB7 would have been ready to debut the turbo, but he did not want to rush it. That thing makes some power!





Mackin,





HE asked myself and Quad if it was ok to post results and information from time to time. There are a lot of poeple on these boards that like updates and new info. HE watches the boards anyway and wanted to now if it was ok to keep people informed. Since Quad is not allowed to post and I do not really have time, we told him we don't care. He is here a lot, but in reality he is just a good customer that has become a friend.





The runs were in 1:1 and I believe Jim Fulmer said the correction was 1%. I saw that on the TDR. He was top dog and was very impressive.





On a side note Mackin, while we are here how come you won't return emails? You know what TEST means? It means not yours forever. I personally will look forward to an email or responce from you.


The only reason I felt compelled to even respond is that you guys love to shoot the messenger. So far as I can tell there is only one person in this whole thread with an LLY. The rest of you just want to kill the

speedfreak; I would like to welcome to to the board! (I know you didn`t just join)


I am sorry you thought I was trying to shoot the messenger. I was just trying to get a little information.


I will be PM`ing you about the things Quad mentioned to me and ask me not to spread the news.


Looks like Quad`s truck put down 638 hp and I could not read the torque. Very nice!

Quad's LB7 truck was not there. It is still being re-assembled. I can assure you when it hits the rollers at an event it will not make 638hp!





That truck is one of our dealers in E. TX. I believe it made a little over 1100 ftlbs, but we had all sorts of dyno problems trying to get the optical to pick up. I think that was about the 6th or 7th run in a row. The rear tires were basically bald and I am sure that did not help.





Anyone want and updated sneak peak? It will be here soon! There will be some upset Cummins really soon.


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What E-mails ??? Maybe my box is full ....


Do I know you ??





Mac





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COOL......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

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I guess when I read a persons name on a list I need to stop assuming it is that person.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif From now on I will not read into things so deep!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Quad asked me to put him down for three trucks because he was running a little late. When they put the names up he wasn't there to correct the names. The 02 and the 04 LB7 with Quads name were both from E. Texas.


That new turbo pedestal is sick, there is some serious craftsmanship there. The tubes look machined but they are really welded and polished.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifEdited by: carterkraft

Let me be the first to say welcome back Quad. This should prove to be exciting for as long as it last.


I see you have your friends armed and ready with excuses.


Speedfreak huh,well your half right I'll give you that.

i guess quad wanted to make sure he got plenty of runs. his name is on the board 3 times....

that picture looks like the one posted by quad some time ago.. i seem to remember the phone in the background. what model turbo is that? nice shiny tubing!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

And since this has become a somewhat defensive thread i must add that this just sounds typical. promises of a new turbo, that's been going on since last year. promises of a fix for the 01 issues as long as i can remember. My only questions is that if they can make so much power, why do they avoid the DHRA events, etc? when there are other big HP GM's there? i was really hoping they would make a showing at the TS Performance shootout.

Which of quad's 3 truck were running NOS?

If any of you had ever run a truck on a dynojet in 4th gear you would know that is exactly what the graphs look like everytime.


If I did it once and it looked like that, I'd make sure to never post the results again. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I`ll take one to test, PM me and I`ll let you know my mailing address! Thanks!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


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"Sdaver,

How would you like to get stomped by an LLY? Seems you never bring any usefull info to the threads. I have watched for a long time."


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<font size="4">watch is all you could do quadhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif when you come to do your stomping bring us some of miss sarah's good carrot salad and some of the homemaid patato salad from your partners in Idaho</font>

oh by the way test tuners sell good on ebay.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

then just send them in to get the jackass to up date themhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/2F7_jacq.jpgEdited by: sdaver

Quad asked me to put him down for three trucks because he was running a little late. When they put the names up he wasn't there to correct the names. The 02 and the 04 LB7 with Quads name were both from E. Texas.





Those were not Quads trucks, repeat.


You guys are almost as freindly as the Ford 6.0 boys http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


By the way speedfreak is not Quad. If you were at the dyno day, wich you weren't, you could have met him.

"By the way speedfreak is not Quad" yeah right hee haw heeehaw heehawhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver

When is the next dyno day around DFW? I'll certainly put my LLY on it.

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guess you are new here.......most of us came here from the diesel page.........but fyi Im David Gamble and a contractor from Alabama......DVGAMBLE@BELLSOUTH.NET. Saw some of your post on the ford site but really dont know you eitherhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif and Im alvins number one fanhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver

Looks "kinda" like a B1.

Is that Bonker in the back ground with the plastic garbage bag tucked in his waist band doing his chores taking out the garbage?


What a clown.





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wouldn't this section work alot better with a smooth transition rather than this cut and paste method.........or is this just the same mockup we saw before.........surely this is not a finished productEdited by: sdaver

Speed/Cartekrapt........ pick'n on little o'le Daver. I think that Camel shroons are very bad for you, it's not haseshe.


Let me ask this....... What's better in VVT land, a 12 vein or a 9 vein....or is it really a 10 vein. I'll tell you how much you're making if you tell me "when" your rods went short. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif X00+ HP my ass. I think that most of us over here know that "O-ringing" the heads is not nessary .... but those rods.... it fractures the mind.


Please comment


Thank you,


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Oh BTW, I am having fun with this and I'm not shooting just peeling the skin back to see what's really there.

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I am not sure if carterkraft (Stan) will be back, and if he is, it will not be much. I recieved a PM from him, and that is what I got from it.

That's his option ....


The way I see it is people will have questions it's called dialog ...





I was gonna let it lie but :


If people become defensive or offended normally have something to hide .... What compounded it was the messenger, it is obvious he was, or is a spokes person for Quadzilla as Speedfreak acknowledged, although it was his idea, so it's written ... Draw your own conclusion ...


If Speadfreak is who he says he is laying in the shadows, he joined back in Feb. Why wait till now to pop out ?? To protect his messenger ... In doing so he instigates a riot by being individualistic and personal in his post, not very professional ...Members will be members it's up to the Manufacture "slash" salesperson to be the profesional "Publics Relations " guy ... That's their job to sell you a product .... What you have seen here is far from it ...


If someone was watching since Feb they haven't seen much because we were done with all this BS ... Lets get real here ...





So if feelings are hurt, well one just needs to read what was said and come to their own opinion ....


There is Supporting vendors that could have come across in a civilized way to announce this product ... Not a Messenger and an offended "Salesperson" manager mind you ,from the manufacture with an agenda ...


I'll keep my eye on this one and any spin offs ,you can bet on it ....











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dont have any issues with stan unless he one of quads puppets.........speedfreak is a troll.......quad or quads troll........he called us all out as individuals......got what he deserved

I still don't understand what happened here and before? Everybody seemed to like Quad's product then someone peed in someone's cheerios? Starting to feel a little like the "page" and with a ravenous pack of jackels.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Inquiring minds want to know.

Just a few dislike Quad! Namely sdaver, Mackin, and a few others, but not too many.


And there product is as good as any that I have tried, and better then some others. But most likely there are better ones that I have not tried yethttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


I did have a conflict with Quad early on, but figured it wasn`t worth worring about so I got over it and moved on.


Seeing how it is not going to happen with the Stealth, I`ll post in the forum what Quad had told me about what was in the pipe line.


" Just so you are not on the fence I will tell you what we are working on, but do not let it leak. I hate secrets I just do not want someone else trying to copy me.


The first thing we are working on is to be able to command a gear like a tech 2 for playing on the dyno. We think this would be really cool and it is a pretty powerful tool for our users.


The other thing will be a while, but we are working on being able to switch power levels on the fly. This one will not be free.


Quad "

Ok First things first, I am Stan. If Cartercraft is willing to speak his name then that is his decision.


Hdmax is correct, Quad does not want me here. He got a call from one or two of his vendors that wanted to know about the turbo and found out I was here. He is not mad, well I am not going to go into what was said.


I do not think any of us here get our feelings hurt? We are pretty thick skinned, we have to be.





I did not call anyone out. I simply answered questions in the order they were asked. If you made a stupid comment, I made one back. I was only individualistic to the people that started this crap. Lets face it, only one other person in this thread owns an LLY. Mackin, David, Mike, what useful info did you bring to this thread? I did not start a riot, I answered posts that were here, before I ever showed my face.


Why did I never post before? Well, I have an LLY, there has not been any threads I felt that I could help. I would not dare jump in an LB7 thread and act like I know it all. Why are you guys jumping in an LLY thread?


When you guys start acting like this, yes it pisses me off. I work here and this is my life. If you affect it, you are going to strike a nerve. It always seems ok for you guys to throw a punch, but when you get smacked back you act like children.


Mackin, I really don't think you want me to get started with you, for your sake. Of course you can take the easy way out and ban me like you did Quad?


This thread would have been informative. These numbers that were posted came from an event with a ton of people as witnesses. The hood was open, it was free for anyone that cared to check it out.


Why would you question us on the stock numbers? Then you want to bad mouth the curve? Put your truck on the dyno and I guarantee if you run a 1:1 test your curve will be identical. If you don't like that call GM.





BTW there was more civilized vendors that announced stuff. this was not an announcement, it was a performance report.

Mackin, I really don't think you want me to get started with you, for your sake. Of course you can take the easy way out and ban me like you did Quad?





That is strike two ....


1) I don't know who you are I have always dealt with Quad himself ....I have no idea who you are if you work for Quadzilla .... You could be a troll ...


2) I don't know where Mike is getting his info from....


3) I didn't ban anyone for the record ....


You maybe my first if you continue to call out staff members such as myself in a argumentative threating questionable way ...


This is not how we conduct business here but If you openly asking to be deactivated ,or bring this up in a forum as oppose to contacting privately a Moderator or Administrator this happens ....





Mac

A performance report on "mystery" mods?


The whole secrecy thing gets OLD.


If you come on here telling everyone what a banned, ex vendor ran on the dyno, with secret mods, why should anyone believe you, and why should anyone care?


Smoke and mirrors. It's exactly what Quad used to do. No wonder people think or thought that you are Quad.


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Mackin, I really don't think you want me to get started with you, for your sake. Of course you can take the easy way out and ban me like you did Quad?





That is strike two ....


1) I don't know who you are I have always dealt with Quad himself ....I have no idea who you are if you work for Quadzilla .... You could be a troll ...


2) I don't know where Mike is getting his info from....


3) I didn't ban anyone for the record ....


You maybe my first if you continue to call out staff members such as myself in a argumentative threating questionable way ...


This is not how we conduct business here but If you openly asking to be deactivated ,or bring this up in a forum as oppose to contacting privately a Moderator or Administrator this happens ....





Mac








Lone Ranger-Freedom Fighter-Free speech???

It gets old when we diesel place members look at forum thread and see mods doing the same tactics that they (the mods) say they will ban members for.

If you really want to clean up the look of the "place", why don't you guys (mods) do the member bashing via Pm's? Otherwise, if you do it in the open, then the rest of us members start to wonder.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

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<TD class=text vAlign=top background="" bgColor=#fefefc>It gets old when we diesel place members look at forum thread and see mods doing the same tactics that they (the mods) say they will ban members for.

If you really want to clean up the look of the "place", why don't you guys (mods) do the member bashing via Pm's? Otherwise, if you do it in the open, then the rest of us members start to wonder.....http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif
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Eye totally agree wth you!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Me three, I think the mods reply was out of line. Get on with it boys and keep it fun and informative, leave the attitudes at the door.


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I'm not liking the way this thread is going. Differences of opinion are going to exist. Sdaver has a problem with Quad, its a given. CPMAC has a problem with Steve Cole, another given. (I have purchased tunes from both Quad and TTS and others, so call me neutral. I know other names come to mind but let's just stick with neutral.)


In the beginning somebody posted some graphs as an FYI. It went downhill from there. If every time someone posts some dyno charts, they are going to get hammered, then whats the point of even participating? Competition between vendors is good, we as the consumers ultimately benefit from that competition. I come here to see what is new...to learn from and share with others my experiences. The banning, the attacks, the b******t. Somethings gotta change, otherwise the pilgrims will set sail for a new page once again.

I did not call anyone out. I simply answered questions in the order they were asked. If you made a stupid comment, I made one back. I was only individualistic to the people that started this crap. Lets face it, only one other person in this thread owns an LLY. Mackin, David, Mike, what useful info did you bring to this thread? I did not start a riot, I answered posts that were here, before I ever showed my face.


I am not going to re-read any of my post, But why are you lumping me in there when I have done nothing but defend you? Maybe I didn`t have anything to add to this thread just because I have an 02 Duramax. But it was posted in an open forum, so I have a right to post. If you can`t accept that, then maybe you can`t handle this place.

2) I don't know where Mike is getting his info from....








Just from reading this forum sense day one. Maybe you did not dislike him, but you spent some time with stabs none the less.

I did not mean to "lump" you into anything. I think that I answered your questions courteously and even answered your pm for you. I was not intending to say that no one can have anything good to say, but look at the majority of the comments.


There were only a couple of real questions asked, and I believe the were answered?


This sort of stuff won't get out of hand if these little groups would keep personal agendas away.


In no way did I intend to come across wrong to you or anyone else in this thread that just had questions. I would expect a lot of the questions we got, but I think everyone is smart enough to weed out the useless comments.


I would be happy to answer any and all real questions.


Do you really think we would let a bogus dyno sheet out, knowing that several vendors have orders on there way to them as we speak? Kennedy will have some and may or may not post his findings? If we thought he would come up with something different, do you think we would allow a graph to be posted?


Oh, and I promise I will not pick on the mods......sorry guys you should get thicker skin.





Also I do think that everyone here has the right to post. From what I understand this place was built on the premise that there would be free speech. I guess that is not fully the case as it seems that I am the only one that is considered out of line by the mods?

Mine out of line yah maybee...........macs I say not.......Quad is a is full sh*t and most who know him would agree but most of his bullsh*t is the saleman in him that doesnt make it right............for some one(sfreak) to make these comments he derserves what he got.....UNDERSTAND THIS I HAVE NO USE FOR QUAD OR HIS STOOGES.......HE MADE HIS BED HERE........

I guess next time i see some #'s on a new product I will keep it to myself. Who knows, I guess you guys like driving stock trucks. Maybe the LB7 boys are worried (they shouldn't) I don't know.


As for those of you that are concerned of my identity I am who I say I am. Maybe the mods could check my I.P. although they don't need to.


As for validity why don't you check over at TDR and ask if anyone saw these runs, or ask the TDS boys.


I am stepping out of this bs match, PM me if you have any real questions.


Weldon

Let me be perfectly clear here .....Moderator gloves are off ...


Dissclaimer:


This is My expressed opinion not of the DieselPlace or it's Administrator or other staff ...


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I was as anyone else is participating in this thread gather info if not for my self others ....


Question were asked I was not out of line one bit ,reread the thread please ...


As far as CarterKraft goes he understood where I was coming from ,reread the thread ....


Then things changed reread the thread .... I did absolutely nothing ...





And then ....





On a side note Mackin, while we are here how come you won't return emails? You know what TEST means? It means not yours forever. I personally will look forward to an email or response from you.


The only reason I felt compelled to even respond is that you guys love to shoot the messenger. So far as I can tell there is only one person in this whole thread with an LLY. The rest of you just want to kill the messenger. That is pathetic. We get piles of emails from members here wanting updates. When they get them you want to hang the guy that gives them? What gives. You guys should really lighten up and let this be fun like it is.





I don't know this guy .... I have never spoken ONE peep with this guy ... So ya it rubs me as I have no clue what he's talking about ... I haven't received ONE email from this guy so he is what ? What is he attempting to do or say ?? If they receive piles of Emails ,answer them .... Speedfreak has been a member here since Feb,he could have updated at anytime ...He doesn't need to be here even tho he has been here ...


I as anyone have full right to participate in these threads no matter which model of Duramax we posses ... Right there I see intimidation and arrogance broad casted by a member .... I have a Right to explain my position on this ...Would you ??


Hdmax is correct, Quad does not want me here. He got a call from one or two of his vendors that wanted to know about the turbo and found out I was here.


So he is here against the boss wishes ... To what stir trouble on this forum and with a moderator ??


I did not call anyone out. I simply answered questions in the order they were asked. If you made a stupid comment, I made one back. I was only individualistic to the people that started this crap. Lets face it, only one other person in this thread owns an LLY. Mackin, David, Mike, what useful info did you bring to this thread?.


I asked some legitimate questions as did others reread the thread ...


"On a side note Mackin, while we are here how come you won't return emails?"


Yea right .... All of my dealings with Quadzilla power were off this site on a personal level .... So what is that ?? A direct call out ...





Why did I never post before? Well, I have an LLY, there has not been any threads I felt that I could help. I would not dare jump in an LB7 thread and act like I know it all. Why are you guys jumping in an LLY thread?





Again why or should I be dictated to by someone who is a lurker and is here against Quads wishes .... Who is this guy ??





Mackin, I really don't think you want me to get started with you, for your sake. Of course you can take the easy way out and ban me like you did Quad?





Again what is this .... I do not know this guy ,he is speaking to me as if he does and about things that have been done off this site with no relationship too ...What does he know about why or how decisions were made in referance to a member's posting priviliages here ?? Agin I'm addressed as a Moderator and my position as one ...


He knows I'm a moderator and can not fully defend my self without putting potential liability to this site ....


Think about it before you guys jump on my back ....When a Moderat

Good choice Mac. Considering the ploy, I think that most will agree it's better than the shadow system.


WTG Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif





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Mackin, this definetly helps us "place members" understand the "whole" of the story.

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This thread no longer contains and useful information therefore I am closing it. I would like to add a few comments of my own:


As with many things in life, there is often more to something than readily appears. That was the case in this thread. A member chose to personally attack one of the moderators. He has been turned off and is now banned. For the record Mackin had nothing to do with the banning of Quadzilla Technologies and its affiliates. When he stated that it was an, "amicable decision by both parties involved" he meant Quad and I. Banning speedfreak was also my decision. Attempting to drop subtle hints and drag a moderator under the mud is not permitted, period. Mackin has devoted more to the smooth operation of this forum than 99% of the people here realize. Making and enforcing policy is NOT an easy job. No matter what you do eventually (and often) at least 1 out of the other 5000 members will disagree with you.


I understand some of the newer members, not knowing the history of events, may tend to draw their own conclusions as many arguments may seem very clear when you throw out past information. You may want to consider that before judging a situation you may not be 100% informed about.


This site has no membership fee. People come here and post on the own accord. If someone doesn't approve of our moderating habits, they can always exercise their free right to NOT post. As our membership has increased, so has the number of complaints on how I/We run this site. That is perfectly normal and to be expected. However please understand that while this forum is free, no member has a right to call out a moderator publicly (given our liability in responding) nor dictate the means in which this forum should be run.


If you have an issue, please use PM or Email. If you are not comfortable contacting them, contact another moderator offline. I stand behind Mackin 100%. Remember, running the largest GM diesel forum on the internet is not an easy, or often times fun, job.


Thank you.


Nick