I've been in a lot of arguements lately about this topic on another site. It started as a GM vs Dodge vs Furd pissing match and turned to auto vs stick. I personally believe from my experience racing at stoplights that a 6spd is only slower off the line and will overtake an auto once it's spooled. Now I keep getting this BS of it taking 150-200 more RWHP for a 6spd to run the same times as an auto. I call BS. Maybe 50max IMO. I need some proof. Caleb {05LLY} just got into the 13's with his 6spd with EFI Live. I also hear this crap about 10sec CTD 6spd's and that there are auto's that are 2sec faster. I also call BS on an 8sec CTD. Anyone have any input?

i seen an 8 sec ctd at bowling green about a month or so ago. it was a full blown drag racing truck. it was not streetable, therefore i'll call bs on it too!

but i do think an auto is faster than a 6spd

Yeah I’ve herd a lot of the 150-200hp BS myself. I think for the amount of money you spend making a truck run in the 13sec or maybe 12 sec range the 6-speed is the cheaper rout to go. With Caleb’s truck, if it was an auto and turning 98 mph in the ¼ mile it probably wouldn’t be running any lower et then it is. I wish 2 people with the same tunes, with one truck being a ZF and the other being an Allison would get on the same dyno and see what the difference is for hp and torque

Caleb and I can probally do that sometime down in the future with the dyno, however our track times with the same tune would not be comparable because of the weight difference between our two trucks.

You lose boost at every shift with a stick, whereas with an auto, the boost stays on. I don't think you'll see any ZF's chasing Brandon into the 11's. At least not with anything that's out there today.

I've heard the same bs. At least we can build a tranny for tons of power for a lot less than they can. Does anyone notice how it's always the auto guys saying why we can't hang with them?

You lose boost at every shift with a stick, whereas with an auto, the boost stays on. I don't think you'll see any ZF's chasing Brandon into the 11's. At least not with anything that's out there today.

:exactly:If you take two identical trucks with the only differance being tranny, the auto with win everytime. This pertains to drag racing only.

^^true.

but we shouldn't be having stupid heated arguements over it, because when it comes down to it autos have advantages and sticks have advantages. we're all on the same team trying to do the same thing - kill ricers

I'm not saying manuals suck, just stating the facts. I just got beat truck pulling this weekend by handshaker, so I do have some respect.

I wasn't trying to start another arguement. I already have a Censored 12 page one elsewhere :mad: I gave up on. I don't see that I loose that much especially when I powershift at 3k. I mean I broke my tires loose for app 5sec at 75mph shifting into 6th one night going up hill. I don't feel that's loosing much. I've only had it happen once though. My comparason has come from two trucks I have raced. One was a D-Max/Ally with a E/J and he and I were fairly close. He beat me once and I beat him once. The first time I only lost because we rolled into it just after I up-shifted. :badidea: The other was an 06' CTD/auto with a 230hp Bully Dog,Crazy Larry setup and he got me when we rolled into it from about 35mph but by the time I hit 5th I was gaining fast. We had to shut down for traffic at around 55mph but I would have beat him if I had more room. I'd really to run a identical auto truck but no one around had a VA 200.

well being that my truck only put down 412 on the rollers at indy and i'm running just as fast or faster that most autos putting down 400 hp:p: !!!!

Autos are usually quicker but under the right conditions a stick will get it done also!!!!!:stirthepo

Time will tell i'm now shootin for 12.99, was going to go tonight but mother nature says wait till next week!!!!
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Caleb

Time will tell i'm now shootin for 12.99, was going to go tonight but mother nature says wait till next week!!!!
Later
Caleb

Test and Time was rescheduled for Thursday night Caleb ;)

Test and Time was rescheduled for Thursday night Caleb ;)


Gonna try but allready had plans for thurs, you going?

Caleb: what do you plan to use to hit 12.99? If you don't mind saying. I'm thinking right now :D .

Gonna try but allready had plans for thurs, you going?

can't make it :mad:

Nothing new just some new tuning tricks i've picked up and no its not gonna be with a bottle, bottles are for babies it will either go 12's on fuel or it wont go+ i can still remove about 400 pounds of stuff from the bed including the spare tire. But other than that i'm just gonna have to drive it there!!!!


You know this thread has the potential to get ugly, right!!!!!

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Caleb

can't make it :mad:

Dont feel bad its not looking good for me either:(

You know this thread has the potential to get ugly, right!!!!!

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How so :confused: ? All those jealous Ally owners ):h . I agree on the N20. All #2 or be satisfyed. Get some Twins,Sticks,and a mod's CP3.

All I can say is that a real manual trans has a range selector... :HiHi:

Really I don't know why people think it takes so much more to hang with an auto. I would think it may take a bit more due to shifts but not 100+hp. I'd find out if my buddy with the 6 speed and every banks product available would race me... I used to always have manual transmissions but allison shifts so good, and with the grade braking, it's just nice to drive. I like pulling a trailer with it. I get enough manual driving with the 15 speed in the western star to tide me over.

Loosing boost when you shift the ZF fast is not noticeable. My buddy has an Allison truck and he always told me the autos were way quicker because you loose boost with the ZF….. After he rode my truck he doesn’t argue that anymore!!
Autos are only quicker most of the time because of the launch. Now that Caleb is pulling 1.8 60ft times it sounds like that auto advantage is gone.
A ZF in the 11s? Not likely any time soon but I don’t think its impossible. Take a truck like Calebs, get over 600 rwhp, 4th gear launches and only 2 up shifts the entire 1/4mile. Why wouldn’t run 11s?

how do you launch in 4th???????

Wondering the same thing here.

you can do it i tried it tonight but did a few things wrong but still ran a 15.1 @ 97.7 mph, I'll post my new best elsewhere as to not get off topic!!!!

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Caleb

i have by acident started off in 4th trying to start off in 2nd and it took me about 15 seconds just to get up to speed to do the next shift. how is there enough power get the truck moving fast in such a high gear? i thought that was the point of gears 2 and 3!

High rpms and ride the clutch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even tho i dont have a diesel, but i do have a 5spd, Ill give some input. With these new auto allisons and stuff, aftermarket, the autos put just as much power to the ground with the TC locked up, and these Suncoast trannys and ATS trannys are really efficient, and unless you power shift, there is no loss of throttle position with an auto. anyone ever think of putting a blow-off valve on your truck? just my .02 .

The real world rule book states that an auto should always be quicker and this is true but as in everything their are exceptions to every rule, right? An auto will never put the same power to the ground as a manual, its just the nature of the beast, an auto plain and simple just takes more power to turn. as for the power loss when you shift i dont know about that i'm still lifting when i shift and according to my log files from the track i only loose 7psi on a shift so that means the lowest my boost ever gets is 24-25 psi i think thats pretty good?

Blow off valve, why?

Dose anyone know what a 412 hp reg cab auto runs in the 1/4?

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Caleb