Thanks goes to John Kennedy who shipped all the items nicely and arrived when they said they would. The issues I have with this order is beyond his control.

I ordered a set of TTT power/heated towing mirrors and found some issues:
1.) The instructions for removing the door panel on an 06 (or at least mine are incorrect), there is a push fastener that need to be removed just above the speaker on the panel edge and on the opposite side there is a T20 torx screw (underneath a button cap) that needs to be removed as well (pics to follow). I followed the directions in the kit and ones that I downloaded from the TTT site and neither mentioned it. I almost broke the door panel trying to remove it (the door panel broke but upon reassembly after a failed attempt to mount the mirrors....more on that later....and the spot where it broke doesn't make sense but still pissed me off).

2.) The TTT mirrors will not mount with the factory wind/rain guards in place (I'm assuming the aftermarket ones my have problems as well). I will post pics in the morning of the fitment issues.

I spent more time dicking around than I wanted to and am a little pissed at TTT. That is time and money I will never get back. I'm actually debating sending these back vs. butchering the guards to make the mirrors fit. John I know it's not your fault, but if you read this, what is your return policy? The box is opened, but everything is there.


Also to top it off, I decided to change the fluids since I couldn't finish the mirrors and found my front diff leaking Censored . Off to the dealer one more time....

Sorry to hear about your mirrors.

Just give JK a call about things that he can control.

All the trucks since 04 and up have those 2 fastners. No offense, but they are rather obvious.

There is no such thing as factory wind/rain gutters.

All the trucks since 04 and up have those 2 fastners. No offense, but they are rather obvious.

There is no such thing as factory wind/rain gutters.:exactly:

I have an 04 and I dont have that torx screw or push button on mine.

Sorry I think it started 04.5

Originally Posted by Max Power
All the trucks since 04 and up have those 2 fastners. No offense, but they are rather obvious.

There is no such thing as factory wind/rain gutters.


Yes, obvious now :o:. If I had no instructions I probably would have been better off (i.e. looking for those types of things). Apparently (as you say) they have been this way since 04.5, yet no update to their instructions....:badidea:
I wasn't looking for them (or even considering them) as I thought I did my homework and followed the directions for once (now I know why I usually don't). I lucked out and didn't F up my door panel too bad, but I could see somebody causing some decent damage if they are a "by the book" kinda guy.

As for factory rain/wind guards: Yes they do make them, yes they were bought/installed at the dealer, and yes they are genuine GM (stamped right on them). They are no different then the mudflaps, hood deflector, and chrome steps (all genuine GM) I bought at the same time before I picked my truck up. I will see if I can get the GM P/N for you. I will also upload a pic of the GM accessories stamp that is on them (my camera phone sucks btw). They are great as they are molded exactly to the truck and even fit UNDER the factory mirrors to help keep them from catching wind and flapping.

The thing I can't believe is I'm the first one to run into these problems. If I am, that is just my luck, if not, why didn't they put that into the directions (or at least have a suppliment). I will try to upload the pics tomorrow when I have a high speed connection. Dial-up is giving me fits now.

On edit: TTT isn't bad (I guess my words were a little harsh). The mirrors do seem decent quality and if it weren't for my truck being an oddball, everything should have gone well. I just am a little miffed that they didn't have updated instructions with the kit or even on their website (as I have both) considering the fastener issue is going on 2 years and the rain/wind guard since the body style change.......

Am I being too picky to think they might update their instructions?

No offense but your rain gutters are not 'factory'. Factory means they are an option that can be ordered and installed on the truck at the factory. Yours are a dealer installed aftermarket GM accessory.

No offense but your rain gutters are not 'factory'. Factory means they are an option that can be ordered and installed on the truck at the factory. Yours are a dealer installed aftermarket GM accessory.

No offense taken :ro)

I guess better wording would have been OEM rain/wind guards. My point was to say that it was an item that could be installed by GM (not an "aftermarket" 3rd party) and would cause fitment issues with these mirrors. If "I" had bought an aftermarket part and it caused problems with these mirrors, I would completely understand. I just can't believe that this has not been an issue before, and if it has that there isn't some sort of warning.

Has anybody else here run into this?
It was a late and frustrating -:t night and I needed to vent and :rant: .

I'm feeling much better now :D

The TTT mirrors are larger than the factory mirrors, just trim the end of your rain gutter with a dremel so it conforms to the TTT mirror and use some black silicone to glue it to the mirror if you want.

Here's a picture of mine, although not a close up, you can see the TTT mirrors and rain guards installed together.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garage_images/i8636.jpg

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Sorry for the quality of the pics. I didn't have a digital camera so I had to use my cell phone, which takes .bmp pictures and then I had to convert to .jpg and then post.

Picture of trying to mount mirror. Unit is hitting guard.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=10973

Picture of mirror mounted under guard, at this point it was pulling the adhesive away from the door (can't tell by the picture). Actually this picture makes it look decent, but I should have taken a picture of it from the backside where you could see the extent problem.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=10974

DD, that is my plan (Nice looking truck by the way). Unfortunately I won't be able to attack it for a little while.


Torx screw for others to reference
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=10975


Push pin hole for reference
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=10976

I have WeatherTech inside channel visors on my truck. I had to "stuff" them under the TTT mirrors at the front and it made things a little tight, but have been running them successfully for a over a year and a half now. No biggie for me.

No offense taken :ro)

I guess better wording would have been OEM rain/wind guards. My point was to say that it was an item that could be installed by GM (not an "aftermarket" 3rd party) and would cause fitment issues with these mirrors. If "I" had bought an aftermarket part and it caused problems with these mirrors, I would completely understand. I just can't believe that this has not been an issue before, and if it has that there isn't some sort of warning.

Has anybody else here run into this?
It was a late and frustrating -:t night and I needed to vent and :rant: .

I'm feeling much better now :D

Why? Just because some company stamped GM on it doesn't make it compatible with any/everything out there.

Regardless of WHO made the wind guards, the mirrors are what is causeing the problem for YOU. NOW if the mirrors where "factory" or OEM or whatever and they didn't work with the "factory" rain guards that is a different story.

The TTT's have a bigger base because they are a bigger heavier mirror that stock. No it isn't Kennedys fault for the problem you are haveing either, so it would be best for you to leave him out of it. He has been nothing but helpful everytime I have dealt with him.

Basically here are your options, ditch the TTT's, ditch the wind guards, or modify the wind guards.

TTT's are aftermarket parts made to fit different applications, and when they are designing them, they are not thinking if your rain guards are still gonna work.

BTW if you think GM is stamping out those wind/rainguards, you are mistaken....;)

You did buy an aftermarket part - the mirrors and the rainguards - GM brand not withstanding! You seriously can't expect every aftermarket part to be designed to be compatable with every other one. When I bought bigger tires, I had to mod my suspension and wheel well liners. When I bought my chip I had to upgrade my exhaust and transmission. Welcome to the world of truck accessories.

Seems pretty obvious and expected that rainguards designed to marry to the stock mirrors are not going to marry to an aftermarket mirror no matter who made the rain guards.

Like Dragon said - this is why they invented Dremels.

You did buy an aftermarket part - the mirrors and the rainguards - GM brand not withstanding! You seriously can't expect every aftermarket part to be designed to be compatable with every other one. When I bought bigger tires, I had to mod my suspension and wheel well liners. When I bought my chip I had to upgrade my exhaust and transmission. Welcome to the world of truck accessories.

Seems pretty obvious and expected that rainguards designed to marry to the stock mirrors are not going to marry to an aftermarket mirror no matter who made the rain guards.

Like Dragon said - this is why they invented Dremels.

Isn't that just what I said????:cool:

yes - I wasn't piling-on - I wrote the post then stepped away from my computer before pressing send.

Now that the guard is on top of the mirror just trim the flat spot area off altogether (outlined in red), till the guard looks like it's not twisted any more.

Remember a Little at a time or you'll end up with a gap betwen the guard and the mirror, like mine. But that's what black silicone is for :D

And thx for the pictures on the door panel I didn't know the newer models had those extra screws.

Maybe send a e-mail to TTT and let them know that they need to update their instructions.

DD

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No it isn't Kennedys fault for the problem you are haveing either, so it would be best for you to leave him out of it. He has been nothing but helpful everytime I have dealt with him.


I think you missed something (like the post title and the first sentence);)
J/K :cool:

Kennedy was great to deal with and I would do it again. I even stated I know it wasn't a problem due to him.

Taken from my first post.
Thanks goes to John Kennedy who shipped all the items nicely and arrived when they said they would. The issues I have with this order is beyond his control.

I just want to clarify as to not have someone think I have a problem with John or his service.

Again I was very frustrated at the time. The outdated directions should be remedied. I also saw it stated that TTT mirrors mount the same way as the OEM's, not the same but with a different footprint...Regardless this issue is now dead (insert dead horse icon). I will have to deal with it and move on.
I just hope this may help someone else out in the future.

dont coutn on TTT updating their instructions, i sent them updates a while back on an easier solution to hooking up to the marker lights rather than running wiring everywhere under the dash, no update :rolleyes:

you can heat up your rain guards and "mold them" around your mirrors, or even better remove them. had them on one truck years ago, never again. they will crack over time and they just dont look good

Your going to love those TTT mirrors... So if its a choice of taking off the guards or sending the mirrors back I would think long and hard! :)

Leadfoot,

I think Most have over looked that your post may help others.

Thanks for taking the time.