Recently added a Stanadyne FM 100 lift pump to my 2003 duramax 3500. I am running an Edge Attitude, 4 inch exhaust, and cold air induction. It made a tremendous difference in my dura's start up. Especially after the installation of a mega filter in OEM post install. I found the Mega filter would cavitate to less than 25% after a few tanks of fuel, now its 100%. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/Lift_Pump.jpg

Nice setup. The Aeroquip makes a nice clean install if you have the gorilla forearms to push the hose onto the fittings. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


It is hard to beat a LP / Mega solution for a fuel setup. Have you run any fuel tests yet?

looks real nice. I think the FM1000 is in my near future. If you dont mind me asking where did you get yours, and approx. how much did yours cost? I am somewhat local to you and as soon as my extreme program is done i plan to hit up palmdale for some shake down runs. Maybe next wednesday???

ghetto


I got the lift pump from Reliable Industries over the internet. Ask for Scott. They UPSd me the pump, filter and water sep. plus a few larger replacement filters. I think the pump kit was something like 160. The FM 1000 is HUGE! I went for the FM 100. Phone is 504-733-4120





I'll be at LACR this Friday night with the truck racing my son (he's learning how to bracket race against me in a BMW). Look for us if you are in the area. Both are white cars...

Well if I am going to do it, i think I will need more then 80 g/h. Do you happen to know the overall length of the 100 or 1000? Yours looks to be a nice size. I guess I was trying to stay away from something as big and bulky as that preporator thing, but also have the flow. I think i read you can adjust the pressure on the FM100/1000? If so what pressure are you pushing? thanks for your help. Probably wont see you this friday as i will be working on the race car.


BTW, do you race in the PSCA or whats the deal on your "play car"

The 1000 is for detroit diesels, big stuff. 80 gallons an hour is a ton of fuel. Even if you are bypassing 50% of the fuel, even 40 gallons an hour is a lot. At 80 miles per hour, wide open, thats 2 miles per gallon! I have had zero fuel starvation problems on stage 5 so far.. I haven't tested the psi, but I think Scott said it was either 5 or 8 psi.. Ask him, he talked me out of the FM 1000. I think its something like 3 times the size of the 100. Go to Stanadyne.com to check out the specs...


The last time I raced at LACR was a few years ago, I told Bernie that my car ran in the 11's (since my cage is not legal, too thin, and I still have the stock interior, all steel, etc.). I clicked off a 7.90 (almost took out the tree doing so) and he litterly went ballistic and stopped me on the return road and threw me out of the track. I've got it on tape, its pretty funny. Too lazy to put the new cage in and install the wheelie bars. Here's the motor.. Runs like an animal.





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well i called them up and they said the filter is what flows the 80 gph, and didnt know specifcally what the lift pump flowed. They told me for the amount of hp i had, i would need something larger then the FM100.


They said the FM 1000 was not available with a lift pump option/? I thought i saw that it was so i will have to follow up.


BTW, sweet ride.. Old man Bernie is a dork.

did you call and talk to Scott? A filter is going to flow different amounts depending on the pressure you put to it. I can't imagine them saying that it the filter is the flow rating. Scott told me the lift pump is what flowed 80 per hour and it says the same in the stanadyne web page specs. For what its worth, I have had no problem on stage 5 juice so far with my FM 100. I guess you could run two side by side if capacity was an issue. I guess I need to run a pressure test soon.

sdaver had the FM100 on his Duramax and switched to a FASS. He is running TTS extreme. He can probably give you some good info. I will be running the TTS extreme also and am waiting to see which pump is going to work best.


mike

well both the fass and preporator pumps are nice (from what i hear), but are both very costly and physically large in size. I would like a Holley or Mallory race pump designed to handle diesel fuel, but nobody seems to make one.


I should have my extreme on tuesday, nitrous is here in the garage, propane is already on the truck, we built the trans to the max, boost is turned up and we are ready for some more fuel!!! But honestly for all those guys with lifter pumps and the stock pickups I cant see it helping you much. The stock in tank sending unit/pickup assembly seems to be the major problem. You would have to modify it in order to keep the high flow pumps from burning up due to fuel starvation.


Talk to Steve @ tts for possible fixes.

the fm 100 worked flawlessly for for 25k or so but just was not enought flow.........actual fuel rail pressure was dropping about 5k psi with the big programs

Two Guys Garage (http://www.twoguysgarage.com/home/index.php) On the Speed Channel is doing a segement on the Fuel Preporator this week ... I believe it may be on the Air Dog the new set up being released ...


You might have to hold your nose tho,they're prolly putting it on a Dodge .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif


Check local listings if interested ...


Mac

I know Nick installed the preporator unit and it pretty much solved alot of his bursting problems, but i heard the thing is the size of my propane tank :-)

Mac,


What time is Two guys garage on. It's this Saturday right? I just forgot the time. Thanks


LA DMAX

I am in the works installing another FM 100 to be in parallel to my existing unit (connecting both via T's). At $160 bucks each, two units are still cheaper than the FASS system. I found my pressure to drop to 1 psi at my Mega filter when running stage 5 Edge. still, 1 psi is still higher than stock setup whereas the line was under vacuum and causing my Mega filter to drop to 50% capacity. I'll post pictures in a week.

After waltzing around on my lift pump, I am going to use the FM100. I had not noticed the fittings you used on the steel lines. Could I trouble you for the part numbers?


Thanks

Tom, I don't have the part numbers for you, however I would be happy to get them for you at my supplier, Orme Brothers in Northridge California if you can't find them. They are #8 or #10's I think (1/2 inch for sure). They are a lot cheaper than typical AN fittings.

Mac,


What time is Two guys garage on. It's this Saturday right? I just forgot the time. Thanks


LA DMAX








It's on Sunday in my area on Spike TV channel I believe .... I spoke with Charlie so it's definately going to be on this week ...


Mac

This one is priced @ $150 $85 on ebay


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i dont think 72 gph is enough. I have been told we need closer to 200gph. Maybe carter has a high output pump?

i dont think 72 gph is enough. I have been told we need closer to 200gph. Maybe carter has a high output pump?


You will always see fuel pressure drops up front due to fuel line size/tank location alone. The only way to stop this completely would be to mount a tank and pump up front which I don't think anyone will attempt for obvious reasons. The larger pumps would reduce the drop but once the turndown curves are reached you are gaining little in relation to GPH pumped then you will recirulate the balance. Dino runs would be more steady only due to taking inertia out of the equasion. The larger pumps may help some but the GPH per benefit ratio will decrease the higher you get. Along with that comes the high price tag. The thing about it is there isn't a measurable amount of HP to gain anyway.Edited by: a bear

Thanks for the info - I can call Orme Brothers and get an idea. Somebody in Albuquerque ought to have them - we aren't in the sticks that far.

This one is priced @ $150 $85 on ebay


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That pump is a "growler" to hear run. I think that is what Eric runs. I had one on my 6.5 for a few months till it quit. The 6.5 would not run past idle with it stalled out...</LI>Edited by: Kennedy

The 6.5 would not run past idle with it stalled out...


I'd be concerned about that, too. A rotary vane pump will not bypass fuel easily internally if it stops. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

i wouldn't use anything with less than 3/8" npt ports

That pump is actually very quiet on our inboard diesel FRC craft. Can hardly hear it at all. It's been in service for well over 3 years...... There is no gain by going with 3/8" ports when the in tank sender ID is .021875". I suppose one could drill out the sender if they care to pull the tank. However this pumps main drawback is that it will not flow through if not running. I don't know of many that are being used here that will. Thats a good feature of the AC Delco pumps. I think a vender here has something good in the works but I am promised to silence untill it is released. Sorry! Edited by: a bear

when the in tank sender ID is .021875". I suppose one could drill out the sender if they care to pull the tank.

I considered doing this but the question is how much larger to make it?

when the in tank sender ID is .021875". I suppose one could drill out the sender if they care to pull the tank.

I considered doing this but the question is how much larger to make it?





Big as you can get away with!





The plastic is pretty frail though. I've reworked a couple, and considered a custom pickup, but the demand wouldn't likely support the effort...

I have been told we need closer to 200gph.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gifWon't you lose speed with the extra weight of the 60 gallon fuel tank you will need to get to and from the track?

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For the time being ....





Mac Edited by: Mackin

It's easy to modify the pickups. We have already built 10 units and it works fine. Nick (Diesel Power) has one of the first units in his truck. I'm not sure if Trippin has put his in yet or not. We set everything up for 5/8' hose which gets you a .500 ID on the smallest fitting. I will have one in my LLY pickup as soon as I get some time.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Mac, those Holley pumps are loud and everyone I ever had leaked within a month of use.. Not to mention the heat it must put in the fuel. How long have you had that hook up?

It's easy to modify the pickups. We have already built 10 units and it works fine. Nick (Diesel Power) has one of the first units in his truck. I'm not sure if Trippin has put his in yet or not. We set everything up for 5/8' hose which gets you a .500 ID on the smallest fitting. I will have one in my LLY pickup as soon as I get some time.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


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Mac, those Holley pumps are loud and everyone I ever had leaked within a month of use.. Not to mention the heat it must put in the fuel. How long have you had that hook up?





YUNK I say!





(Yes I spellled that correctly)

After seeing the stock pickup I dont understand how any pump could live without overheating and burning up in the stock configuration. WIth one of Steves 1/2" pickups you can then feed the pump with -8 line out of the pickup assembly and neck it down from the pump forward if you like. This way the pump doesnt have to pull, it can just push and do what it was designed to do.


I am now running the extreme with much thanks going out to Steve Cole. Anyone looking for knowldegable guy that produces big power should call up TTS.

Um

Ya


You think I'm worried about a LIL humming outside ?? I can't hear a thing in the cab ....
Going on near a month DRY AS A BONE ....


YUNK it maybe but what is the alternative at what cost ?? I paid 45 bucks for the pump ... I'm not scared of a LIL maintance if needed ... I could buy nearly three at that price compared to an alternative of equal flow and pressure ...With no garranty of succes.....
Electrical and intial plumbing is there for what or which I settle on if I switch in the future ....

Like I said "For the time Being " .....

Mac Edited by: Mackin

Just keep a bypass handy for when it quits.





I've had good luck with Mallory in the past, but others haven't had such good luck. Time will tell.


I've been "playing" with a setup that works pretty well, makes 8-9 psi w/o regulation, flows 5 gpm free flow etc etc.


Still drops off psi somewhat, especially on acceleration (much less on dyno) BUT you can shut it off and not measure any significant restriction...

I have a complete loop bypass in if she's a quitter .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I would like to go with the Airdog but ,I dunno just yet gotta try some stuff first with the Lil Holley that could or may not ....

Time will tell shortly, I can feel it .....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

yeah, what you feel is the thing vibrating and humming...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif