Has your edge juice ever caused a no start problem with your truck. I am trying to see how much of a problem it is.


Sorry for the cryptic poll questions/answers but there is a character limit and I couldn't be as descriptive as I would have liked.

hey max power,I'm the first guy who voted yes, but it only happened once. Too bad about that character limit. I would have voted yes for something like "once in a blue moon"!!

mine started...... just wouldnt go over 5 miles an hour and the other one wouldnt work at all..... but the one i have now is great, 8 months and no probs at all.

Mods can you move this to the performance section?

ThanksEdited by: Max Power

This topic let me vote twice and would not let me reply the first time.

I had NO problems whatsoever with my 90hp 4.73 Attitude ready Juice.

Best box out there.

Beats me hoot. Mods can you look into this?

I have never had a "no start" problem, but it seems to "crank" longer than normal when I start my truck.

Before I vote, does this poll only concern Juice/Attitude users?

I had the no start problem with the 4.73 version. I have about 400 miles on version 4.81 with no problems. It seems to start faster also (less crank time).





Jay

I finally seen the request to move,sorry for the delay ....


HOOT


It's only you ...


Ray


Yes I believe so ...


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Is it only late 03-04 trucks that have the problem .... I did see JK say his had or may have had a problem as he wasn't in posession of the truck when it occured ...





Mac

Seems like there are two polls now!!


At least we can determine if the problem is "to an isolated few" trucks or more than just an isolated case.


I believe John Kennedy indicated that the problems were specific to the JUICE/ATTITUDE combo. Possibly the poll instructions should indicate that.

Hey, all. Would these issues occur on an 02? I am hoping to do a Juice/Attitude combo, very soon.

Yes, I have an '02 and they occur.


Suggest you wait until Edge resolves the issues.Edited by: OC_DMAX

Not sure how things went. Elaine just had some grief starting it once. I forget the details as I brushed off and chocked it up to the Juice Attitude.

(Wine, sniff.....sniff, tear)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I guess I'll wait. (sniff)

I also have problems with my '02, and it seems to be getting significantly worse with the warming temps... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

Had problems with v4.73. Phoned Matt and he sent me one of the first new boxes as a beta to test. Still running that box as it has now been released. Have had no problems since getting the new box. Edge has probably the best customer service that I have ever had dealings with.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


If you want one get it ... Edge will stand behind it!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Harvey

BadDog,


I agree 100% with the outside temp thing. Today she started with each turn of the key(60F). But on Friday when it was in the upper 80s, everytime I shut it down it would not start.


Like I said in my poll post....there might be the owners who just start a cool engine....drive to work and shut it down. Eight hours later start up a cool engine and do it all over again. Then there are the owners who never shut down the engine all day. This problem will never be know.

2nd Juice and 14 months later; never a problem.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

These are not small percentage numbers. Let hope that Edge and anyone else involved can see this and make it there top priority.


I also wounder if this same thing is happening with the Fords and Dodges? Or is this a Duramax only event?


I am standing behind my high air temp theory. I just have no way of proving it and more importantly fixing it. Being that it is a circuit board inside that black box, maybe they need to figure out some kind of heat sink or cooling set up. I would say mount it the box inside the cab.....but in the summer it gets hot inside cab also. So that would not work.

This would definately be a chevy only thing.


Edge also has a problem with the odd dodge but a different problem. It only happens in temperatures bellow freezing and under certain circumstances. As far as I know edge has not been able to fix this problem. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Never had a problem for the 1 1/2 - 2 years i've had it, until the past 3 weeks. It wouldn't start twice for me. Unplug the juice starts right up. Shut down and re-intall and it starts no problem. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

The joys of owning a 01 .... Sometimes we win one Jeremy !!!!


We know the 01's are quicker nontheless....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif

No problems.... Been running the Juice/Attitude for 2 weeks now.....


It was 106 on the rear view mirror when I left work tonight...


Started right up..


I guess I'm just lucky for oncehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Question.gif

I have had 4.61 and 4.73 with attitude and no problems with either. My truck is an early 03. --SS

Blinky, 106 outside....if your engine has been off for hours then it is a cool engine. Drive it for a hour in those temps, then shut it down and 15min try starting it.

I start it back up all the time, especially at the track when waiting more than 10 mins for the line to move. Starts back up fine!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

1 in 3 units sold.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif


Still think this is a problem with small percentage of units soldhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Question.gif

I stand behind Nowake's high air temp theory aswell, but do you think we should start a poll for no start w/Attitude v.s. no start w/o Attitude.

I just had the not start occur two days ago to me. My truck is an 01. First what happened was I couldnt go more than 5mph or past idle and when i pulled over shut down, it would not start back up again. It seems to be only the attitude causing the problem because it runs without the attitude plugged in. Thank god the attitude didnt crap out when a powerstroke that thought his truck was fast than mine on the highway. I am going to call edge tommorrow

Blinky, 106 outside....if your engine has been off for hours then it is a cool engine. Drive it for a hour in those temps, then shut it down and 15min try starting it.


The Juice won't come into service untill the engine is warmed up..... Edited by: a bear

Did it a few times just after it was installed. Messed with wires at the plugs for bad connection. NO problem since then, about 5 months now.Its been 80 or more alot lately here in Texas too.

The Juice won't come into service untill the engine is warmed up.....


Tommy,


I suspect the timing part of the Juice. The Juice intecepts several signals related to crank shaft position, etc. (coincidentally, these are the OBDII codes I am getting) They adjust these signals to change the overall timing. This is most likely always in service, even on a cold motor. They just don't add fuel until it is warmed up. If you dyno on level 0 (which is supposed to be stock) you will notice about a 20 hp gain (from timing only).





Just my thoughts,


AlanEdited by: OC_DMAX

Ya know, I just had the same problem with my Van Aaken Box... Smart E box with the switch on the 110 setting. I turned the truck off to go into the bank, and once out, the truck would just crank over... Popped the hood looked... hit the key again... and I was up and going...... Maybe its something with these trucks and the way the boxes hook up?Edited by: OnTheEdge

Only problem I ever had with juice is when it goes down the wrong pipe and I start cough....anyway no really my gauges didn't working a couple times but never a non-starting issue.

While it is relatively uncommon, there have been instances where the truck just will not start regardless of modules being installed.


When an injector (or two) goes bad and returns excessive fuel, the rail psi lags and even sometimes cannot hit 5,000psi so it never even tries to deliver fuel. Sdaver had this happen once IIRC.





That said, Looks like v4.81 is still the latest being used. While not 100% cure, it has been reported to be a solid improvement over previous versions. The version # can be found on the serial number sticker. When I update them, I write in marker the new number as I have no labels.

I bought the Juice Extreme/Attitude combo v4.73 last December. Never had the problem until lately as the outside temperature got higher. These days, 2 ou of 3 starts is a no start. I have to turn the ignition off and wait for the Attitude monitor to turns itself off and then re-start again. It usually starts of after that.