Has anyone tried the new Xcelerator for Pacificp yet? They claim these are the gains. Just wondering how it compared to the Edge and such, and if it bypasses the speed limiter on the 2001's.


Level 1: 432 hp 730 tq = rwhp (372) rwtq (657)


Level 2: 460 hp 772 tq = rwhp (400) rwtq (702)


Level 3: 505 hp 860 tq = rwhp (445) rwtq (790)


Level 4: 531 hp 974 tq = rwhp (471) rwtq (904)

I would not believe their numbers but stack it with the banks you might have something........

As far as i heard, it does not remove speddo and revs on the 01's. Pnut got one, maybe he'll chime in and let ya know what he thinks of it.

Has anyone tried the new Xcelerator for Pacificp yet? They claim these are the gains. Just wondering how it compared to the Edge and such, and if it bypasses the speed limiter on the 2001's.


Level 1: 432 hp 730 tq = rwhp (372) rwtq (657)


Level 2: 460 hp 772 tq = rwhp (400) rwtq (702)


Level 3: 505 hp 860 tq = rwhp (445) rwtq (790)


Level 4: 531 hp 974 tq = rwhp (471) rwtq (904)





I know they claim FWHP numbers and unless they pulled the engine and used an engine stand too run it on a dyno, (Which I highly doubt) They are just geustamating on the FWHP. I would not believe any company who guesses the HP, and that is what it looks like they are doing.


Who pulls an engine to dyno it, when a drive on dyno is so easy? And why would one not want to know the real rwhp?

Right on the money with the above posts.More shenanigans in the tuner business.


The decelerator smells of Quad Bullydog program which is really one of the same .The blind leading the blind.


Changing the rated HP makes the brand seem different.In reality it's one and the same just marketing differences. The decelerator is king of trickery.


Do you honestly think the three of them aren't the same?Having all the same characteristics?


Don't be foolish.Edited by: Reggie

just another recipe for carrot salad then?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif.......mike I agree........

reg wrote


"Changing the rated HP makes the brand seem different.In reality it's one and the same just marketing differences. The decelerator is king of trickery.

Do you honestly think the three of them aren't the same?Having all the same characteristics?"


thats the impression I got too

Level 1: 432 hp - rwhp (372) = 60 hp


Level 2: 460 hp - rwhp (400) = 60 hp


Level 3: 505 hp - rwhp (445) = 60 hp


Level 4: 531 hp - rwhp (471) = 60 hp
What a coincidence http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Level 1: 432 hp - rwhp (372) = 60 hp


Level 2: 460 hp - rwhp (400) = 60 hp


Level 3: 505 hp - rwhp (445) = 60 hp


Level 4: 531 hp - rwhp (471) = 60 hp
What a coincidence http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





You forgot one!


Stock: 300 hp - rwhp (240) = 60 hp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

What cha got there is a simple mathematical equation ....


Stock Max's Dyno's at 240 ish (That's a easy number then 245 ish )and comes out of the box at 300 ....


So ........





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

Uh oh


We was thinking the same thing dang it ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

PP told Transgo that they ran 10.32 and 119 mph in the quarter.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I believe it. NOT!


mike

WHEN I GOT MY TUNER FROM THEM, PPE TOLD ME THE REASON THAT THEY POSTED THE FLYWHEEL HP FOR THIER NUMBERS WAS BECAUSE GM RATES THE DMAX'S POWER AT FLYWHEEL HP. I ASKED THEM HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS FOR FLYWHEEL HP. THIER RE-PLY WAS THAT THEY HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD SPEEDSHOP/DYNOSHOP THAT HAD A DMAX ON A DYNO THAT WASNT IN A TRUCK AND THATS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THIER NUMBERS. HAVE NO CLUE IF ITS TRUE, ITS JUST WHAT IVE BEEN TOLD------YET IVE BEEN TOLD LOTS ABOUT TUNERS IN THE PASThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


DUNNO WHAT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE XCELLERATOR, HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO THE TRACK AND COMPARE IT TO THE QUAD ???, THAT I USED TO HAVE.

OK now I'm confused. What's the difference between a Pee Pee Xclerator and Viagra? Or a Pee Pee Xcelerator and the Quad. Either way I feel like I'm being played with. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

PP told Transgo that they ran 10.32 and 119 mph in the quarter.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I believe it. NOT!


mike Wow I can't believe I actually agree with Mike.

Well nothing surprises me from those idiots.


http://www.pacificp.com/pdf/xcelad.spot.01.pdf


This track is definately not in the south western united states. You would think they would atleast photoshop a track where they have raced the truck. And whoever the pilot of that pig is, you need to learn to how to drive.


Hey PPE! http://www.syty.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/new_alien.gif (javascript emoticon('0X'))

Hey Ghetto how would u like to run into a concrete guard rail at 200mph.


Never seen a track like that in say 40 years.

394HP 760 TQ from 245ish and 430ish baseline.





http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7867&PN=3

Funny the site does not mention that it would destroy a tranny at that type of gain. HEHEHEHE Its bull. Typical. I wish edge would buiold in a speed limiter fix with the attitude. HELLO!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

So, basically what you guys are saying is that the Xcelerator, Quad and Bullydog are the same boxes. By the way, why did Quad get banned from this site? I most of missed something along the way, or maybe it's none of my business.

So, basically what you guys are saying is that the Xcelerator, Quad and Bullydog are the same boxes. By the way, why did Quad get banned from this site? I most of missed something along the way, or maybe it's none of my business.


No one is talking! and it seems that questions like yours are looked down on. So a heads up, don`t ask because someone will get mad for some unknown reason.


I myself have no idea, and I think regardless of the reason, it was a big bunch of bull. There I took the heat off of youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

quad got banned for being quadhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

So, basically what you guys are saying is that the Xcelerator, Quad and Bullydog are the same boxes. By the way, why did Quad get banned from this site? I most of missed something along the way, or maybe it's none of my business.


No one is talking! and it seems that questions like yours are looked down on. So a heads up, don`t ask because someone will get mad for some unknown reason.


I myself have no idea, and I think regardless of the reason, it was a big bunch of bull. There I took the heat off of youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif





Mike


How or why have you come to this conclusion ??


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

So, basically what you guys are saying is that the Xcelerator, Quad and Bullydog are the same boxes. By the way, why did Quad get banned from this site? I most of missed something along the way, or maybe it's none of my business.


I write software for a living, and the hardware or even the user interface has NOTHING to do with the actual tune. I am sure that Quad and Bullydog are geting their boxes from the same source, but this in no way implies the tunes within the boxes are the same. The Xcelerator uses a different chassis, but the chips inside could be the same as Quad and Bullydog for cost saving reasons. Again, this does not imply that the tunes programed into them are similar.

So, basically what you guys are saying is that the Xcelerator, Quad and Bullydog are the same boxes. By the way, why did Quad get banned from this site? I most of missed something along the way, or maybe it's none of my business.


I write software for a living, and the hardware or even the user interface has NOTHING to do with the actual tune. I am sure that Quad and Bullydog are getting their boxes from the same source, but this in no way implies the tunes within the boxes are the same. The Xcelerator uses a different chassis, but the chips inside could be the same as Quad and Bullydog for cost saving reasons. Again, this does not imply that the tunes programed into them are similar.








Interesting way to sell it but I wouldn't buy it ...


Well the funny thing is the all run the same . If you were to run the tuners back to back even though one is rated higher or lower the graphs will lay over each other.Try it.


The all rattle, all cannot address the 01 rev limiter and speed limit defeat as I've read here on this forum.


Looks like a duck walks like a duck you get the point .


Sounds like the same tune to me and many others for that matter.Same board same chip same wrapper in some cases same old same old .


Some still think Ezamp is different too and Bullydog Dyno Dominator .


Some say different tune I say different stickers.


Gullibility lives on.

I have yet to see either the BullyDog or the Xcelerator dyno 465 rwhp. If it is somewhere on this forum, please point me to it. If its not, then how can you say they dyno the same.

I have yet to see either the BullyDog or the Xcelerator dyno 465 rwhp. If it is somewhere on this forum, please point me to it. If its not, then how can you say they dyno the same.


Can't as none will .They have over rated it to disguise the so called new product .I thought that was understood.


Look at dyno sheets on the 110,135,165,215 tunes available ...

PP told Transgo that they ran 10.32 and 119 mph in the quarter.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I believe it. NOT!


mike


Wow I can't believe I actually agree with Mike.


CPMac


It had to happen. I deserve to win one every once in awhile.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


mike

There was someone on this board that told me at my dyno day (he had the quad 215) that once or twice when he ran through the loading ritual that the tuner asked if he wanted to load the 155hp program.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Now, was that an OOPS?

I have yet to see either the BullyDog or the Xcelerator dyno 465 rwhp. If it is somewhere on this forum, please point me to it. If its not, then how can you say they dyno the same.





The only thing that I have seen dyno 465 solo is the new big Van Aaken.





The Hot Juice 4.74 and TST Comp are pretty close if the air is good, but typically 446-456.

http://www.ntinnovations.com/pictures/BMDMAXStealth215.jpg


BmdMax on the Dyno

Right on the money with the above posts.More shenanigans in the tuner business.


The decelerator smells of Quad Bullydog program which is really one of the same .The blind leading the blind.


Changing the rated HP makes the brand seem different.In reality it's one and the same just marketing differences. The decelerator is king of trickery.


Do you honestly think the three of them aren't the same?Having all the same characteristics?


Don't be foolish.








The OS may be the same, prompts same, and general hardware same/similar, but the tuning is different. lhave tested the 215 Quad in various forms, and the PPE unit is really not close.





I have a guy coming in Saturday to dyno. He has a Bully Dog 150 tuner, AND a PPE Xcelerator. We shall see how it goes. I have a 215 Stealth here to try as well...

Did you dyno those three tuners this past weekend? Any numbers?

I'm hoping the owner of the truck comes here and posts. He owns both the PPE and Bully Dog tuners.





I will say neither resembled the Quad (we used mine) one bit in the least...

TTT





Whereis dissguy ??





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

he probably commit suicide for actually buying a PPE product.

I was hoping he'd post here, but hasn't yet. I'll go out on a limb here and say that 2 tuners set to max level layed IDENTICAL runs down. Maybe I'll post a jpg later with the names as Brand A and Brand Z.





I think Bryan is focusing his energies on getting one refunded...

Xcelerator=Bullydog

Here's a composite of the 3 tuners all set to level 4:


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/Avg_Tuners_A-B-C.jpg

Very Interesting Indeedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I'm curious how the "Quadzilla" 165 tune compares to the Bullydog/Xcelerator tune.

If you do test the 165, it would be interesting to test both the old and new tune.

so which is which or did i miss something?

can't tell you have to kill you. he said the bully dog and the ppe ran the same so I am guessing they are red and black, then the other one is the other one.


that torque curve is sick though huh.

I'd say Blue is 215


Black and red are Bullydog 155 and PPE ...


Mac

All three of these tuners produce what they claim.


Bullydog and PPE gain about 160hp and 325lb/tq


Quad 215 gains about 210hp and 525lb/tq


Looks like if you want to go with one tuner for all out performance and you've got the tranny to take it, the Quad is the way to go. The Quad would be VERY responsive to throttle inputs between 1500rpm and 2100rpm.


I'll keep chugging along with my Six-Gun.

All three of these tuners produce what they claim.


Bullydog and PPE gain about 160hp and 325lb/tq


Quad 215 gains about 210hp and 525lb/tq


Looks like if you want to go with one tuner for all out performance and you've got the tranny to take it, the Quad is the way to go. The Quad would be VERY responsive to throttle inputs between 1500rpm and 2100rpm.








Curious how you came to this conclusion???n

Looks to me like PPE under delivered by 200 ft-lbs, and Quad over delivered by 100 ft-lbs.


http://www.ntinnovations.com/pictures/xceleratorclaims.jpg

That is a heck of a torque number more then I've seen before with a 215...


I've seen a 135 tune lay right over a Hot Juice run just like that ....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gifEdited by: Mackin

That is a heck of a torque number more then I've seen before with a 215...





Looks like the new 215 tune. Mine should be arriving tomorrow or the next day. Can't wait http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Amric

Run 1- Quad 215 old tune v 1.10 put down 428.8HP/787.7TQ


Run 2- Quad 215 new tune v 1.19 put down 430.0HP/803.0TQ


Run 3- Quad 215 new tune v 1.19 put down 430.8HP/810.0TQ





Sheets are here on the forum ...


Mac

What about version 1.2???? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

The 225 is good for a even 10 more HP and handfull of torque but is unstreetable IMO xspecially in 01 dress ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Run 1- Quad 215 old tune v 1.10 put down 428.8HP/787.7TQ


Run 2- Quad 215 new tune v 1.19 put down 430.0HP/803.0TQ


Run 3- Quad 215 new tune v 1.19 put down 430.8HP/810.0TQ





Sheets are here on the forum ...


Mac





Version 1.19 is the old tune not the new tune. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

The 225 is good for a even 10 more HP and handfull of torque but is unstreetable IMO xspecially in 01 dress ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





Are you sure http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif. Should try the 1.2, might be suprised http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

That is a heck of a torque number more then I've seen before with a 215...





Looks like the new 215 tune. Mine should be arriving tomorrow or the next day. Can't wait http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif








Don't plan on stacking with this one. Wouldn't hurt to have some NOS handy also...

That is a heck of a torque number more then I've seen before with a 215...





Looks like the new 215 tune. Mine should be arriving tomorrow or the next day. Can't wait http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif








Don't plan on stacking with this one. Wouldn't hurt to have some NOS handy also...





JK- what have you tried stacking with it???? And yes it loves the nos, and my stack, my numbers today prove that.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The 225 is good for a even 10 more HP and handfull of torque but is unstreetable IMO xspecially in 01 dress ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





Are you sure http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif. Should try the 1.2, might be suprised http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif








Are you saying LOP is gone ,speed limit gone,rev gone,fade is gone at steady speeds ???


Then I'd be surprised ...


Those numbers are not mine .... There with a failing tranny ....


I have dyno'd 450 with a 215 1:1...


Mac

Take it to the track and try it in a 7,000# truck once...

The 225 is good for a even 10 more HP and handfull of torque but is unstreetable IMO xspecially in 01 dress ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif





Are you sure http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif. Should try the 1.2, might be suprised http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif








Are you saying LOP is gone ,speed limit gone,rev gone,fade is gone at steady speeds ???


Then I'd be surprised ...


Those numbers are not mine .... There with a failing tranny ....


I have dyno'd 450 with a 215 1:1...


Mac





I haven't driven enough on the highway yet to see if the fade is gone at steady speeds............... i do know that i left my drive yesterday and after backing out and straightening around, dropped the hammer without boosting and no nos, and layed a couple of strips about 150ft+ long and well into 4th with enough smoke not to worry about mosquitoes for the next 2 years and couldn't believe how loud the motor is when revving............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Take it to the track and try it in a 7,000# truck once...


Was at the track last weekend, but got rained out. Am going this Friday night, seat of the pants and dyno numbers is all i've got right now.

Kennedy,


Oops. I was in a hurry when I scanned the dyno graphs and wrote my reply earlier.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif