COMMING SOON FROM BD-POWER


SHIFT STRADIGY THIS BOX WILL REMOVE SPEED LIMITER AND INCREASE SHIFT POINTS TO 3200-3400-3600 RPM'S ON ALL ALLISON TRUCKS YES LLY TOO


THE TRUCK AT BD I RODE IN HAD A FULL TRANS TOO BUT IT WAS THE SMOOTHEST SHIFT I HAVE EVER SEEN I SHOULD HAVE THEM IN STOCK IN A MONTH

What kind of price are we looking at? I would be interested if not too pricey.

Can't wait to finally bypass the limiter on my 2001! Keep us updated...

That would be sweet paired up to a Juice or a Smartbox!

It will be around the $500 mark give or take a few dollars.

If so, I'll have to pass!

YIKES! Seems a little steep for just two options available. The adjustment of shift points doesn't interest me at all. I was thinking about $200. If the Racebox from Banks doesn't bypass the limiter, I guess I'll HAVE to buy it for my Six-Gun. I just can't handle the limiter.

You aint kidding 5 beans ???


Compile that with a performance box it's ridiculous ... Buy a TTS and forgetaboutit ....





Mac http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Not sure what to think about that one.

If all you guys really want a speed delimiter box I will make you a deal. You get 100 people to step up and buy one and I will make them for you. Cost would be $150.00 It will only do one thing, remove the speed limiter nothing else. Let me know when you have the deposits and I will get started.

SORRY IT DOES A LOT MORE IT REPROGRAMS EVERY THING ABOUT THE TRANS I JUST AM NOT SAVY ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN IT $495.00 RETAIL I WILL SELL IT FOR MAP $470.25


THIS BOX IS GREAT FOR RACING. BUT IT IS PERFECT FOR ME MY TRANS IS CONFUSED BECAUSE I DRIVE ON 6 HIWAY'S TO MAKE THE 30 MILE DRIVE JUST TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING, THEN THERE ARE THE TIMES WHEN I AM NEXT TO A FORD, AND MY TRUCK IS LEFT WONDERING WHAT I AM THINKING

Smooth shift comes from a Transgo shift kit.

Diesel Tech,


Count me in! C'mon all you 2001 owners.

Diesel Tech,


You say "nothing else" will it have the capability of resetting the limiter to a higher setting? Is that setting preset or can it be adjusted?

Quad was gonna do one that removed the speed limiter, recalibrate for tire changes, and read/clear codes. This was only gonna cost $295 (of course it ain't available)....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Sorry, but the BD product is way to steep for what it will do. Pass.


JP

"Quad was gonna do one that removed the speed limiter, recalibrate for tire changes, and read/clear codes." http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/D65_G739_a.jpghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Once again

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JP

Diesel Tech,


You say "nothing else" will it have the capability of resetting the limiter to a higher setting? Is that setting preset or can it be adjusted?





It will remove the speed limiter when installed. If you want I can make it with a switch so that it can be turned off so the stock limiter would be back in place, but when on there will be none.

I don't understand why anyone would want to switch between bypassing and not bypassing. Delete the limiter and be done with it, nice and simple.....

I don't understand why anyone would want to switch between bypassing and not bypassing. Delete the limiter and be done with it, nice and simple.....





Kids, employees driving it etc.

Either way, whoever the manufacturer is of this bypass, they aren't liable for whatever happens. I guess I don't see the difference from the 97mph limiter to, say, 115mph. Whoever driving is completely responsible. And if the owner of that particular truck lets it get into the hands of "kids" or so forth, that's his deal.

115mph..... With the right tuning, tire size, rpm limiter, 140mph isn't out of the question.


A stock truck with speed limiter removed will go about 115mph at redline.





There is a huge difference between 97mph and 140mph!



I wouldn't need it either but I am just trying to show you that some people DO have a need for it since you don't understand why anyone would need it.Edited by: Max Power

I wouldn't be so fast to declare the product provider would be without liability. Our trucks come with tires rated under 100 mph (3500s anyway). Somebody starts putting out a product that will allow the truck to reach 140 mph on low speed tires is lookin' at law suite city. This is the land of the free, the land of take no personal responsibility, the land of no tort reform.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif


JP

Of course this would be an "OFFROAD USE ONLY", "FOR RACE USE ONLY" product. Got to keep the lawyers happy.

I don't understand why anyone would want to switch between bypassing and not bypassing. Delete the limiter and be done with it, nice and simple.....


How can you say you dont understand why?


Diesels need to be governed. If not they will come apart at high speed. Although I can't say what the safe maximum RPM for the DMAX is I am sure some sucker will be sorry he or she exceeded it. The rotating mass of a diesel engine is very different from a lighter gas motor.

As Diesel Tech just stated, all of these companies WILL have a disclaimer provided on the product or in their literature. That's how I can say that they will not be liable. Imagine if Banks, Edge or Hypertech didn't. We would have lawsuits galore. That's like installing the Bullydog 155hp for "off road use only", driving it down the public road, getting the truck pulled over and tested for emissions by the state patrol, the truck not passing, and then trying to go after Bullydog. Or bypassing the limiter, having one of your tires blow out because they're not speed rated, and going after the company that provided the box. Trust me, these companies have their side covered. As far as switching between to bypass or not to bypass, I guess I opened up a can of worms here. I would think the owner would be aware of when to back off. Sorry for the complications.

Of course this would be an "OFFROAD USE ONLY", "FOR RACE USE ONLY" product. Got to keep the lawyers happy.


Do not forget to throw in the part about higher speed rated tires mandatory.

CYCLONE,


It sounds like you have ridden in this truck but have not actually seen the device? Or any corresponding literature. Tell me what you can.


Is this a tranny only device? does it increase any power?


Can you control stall speed? Try to give us a bigger picture, because right know it sounds like a very high priced speed limit remover???

I AM NOT GOOD AT EXPLAINING THE TECH END OF TRANSMISSION TALK.SO CALL BD WITH QUESTIONS 1-800-887-5030. I LEARN MORE FROM YOU GUYS THAN I CAN GET FROM THEM


YES I SAW THE UNIT IT IS 8" X4" X 2" METAL BOX GOES UNDER THE HOOD PLUGS INTO THE TCM ON THE FAN SHROUD AND HAS THREE WIRES +, -, AND SWITCH . IT IS ITS OWN TRANSMISSION COMPUTER AS FAR AS I UNDER STAND.


I JUST WISH I KNEW FOR SURE HOW MUCH WAS TRANS AND HOW MUCH WAS THIS BOX ON THE TRUCK I RODE IN


BD HAS A MONEY BACK POLICY AND I FOLLOW IT. I WILL BE INSTALLING THE FIRST ONE I CAN GET MY HANDS ON ON MY TRUCK


TALK TO ANY THAT HAS DONE BUSINESS WITH ME AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT I ONLY SPEAK MY TRUE OPINION AND I GIVE THE WHOLE OPINION GOOD AND BAD FOR EVERYTHING I SELL.


I WILL KNOW MORE IN ABOUT THREE MORE WEEKS I JUST WISH I HAD ONE KNOW


I ALMOST FORGOT NO IT DOES NOT ADD MORE POWER BUT WITH THE HIGHER RPM'S MORE SHOULD HIT THE GROUNDEdited by: CYCLONE

Stall speed cannot be controlled. I doubt if BD is controlling anything on the transmission. I have seen some BD products on my customer trucks and they can get real complicated. They seem to do nothing except give trouble according to my customers. I have been asked twice to remove exhaust brake hook ups on Cummins and ran for the hills when i saw what they did. I hope they have made things less complicated.

More poop for the scoop .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


There was rumor that BD was coming out with a TCM program that would enhance the holding capacity of the Allison ...


I dunno if it was plug and play or what but something was in the works ...





Mac

DIESEL TECH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE "LIMIT REMOVER" THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING.


1. WILL IT BE A BOX OR TUNER?


2. IF ITS A TUNER WILL YOU BE ABLE TO LOAD A PROGRAMMER OR TUNE INTO THE TRUCK??


3. IF ITS A BOX WILL YOU BE ABLE TO STACK IT WITH THE JUICE?


THANKS

Peanut


It will do nothing other than remove the speed limiter. It will be able to be used with any combination of parts.

COUNT ME IN THENhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

All you need to do is go find another 99 people and get the order to me and I will make them up.

Let me get this straight. This box that you will make, it will raise the RPM's and remove the speedo limiter?? If so that sounds greathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. Nick

Yeah, all that for a mere 500 bucks....Yikes, you guys make way too much money...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


JP

Let me get this straight. This box that you will make, it will raise the RPM's and remove the speedo limiter?? If so that sounds greathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. Nick


The box will not raise the rev limiter, only remove the speed limiter.

Hey, I'm in. It's worth the $150 to go 115mph instead of 97mph. Now all you need are 98 people.

I am totally confused as normal!!


Talked with BD Power today in depth They described there new box as an Allison Transmission Stradegy Device. They said it hooks directly in line witht he TCM. It has 3 settings. Normal, tow and Race Competition. What it does is adjust shift firmness/quickness and also shift RPM point. Basically if left in drive and floored, your truck will shift at 3400 RPM and higher in the higher levels.


So how does that compare to the rev limiter that is currently being lifted by Quad and TTS?

Well if the PCM shuts the fuel off at 3300 RPM shifting the transmission at 3400 and up will not do much good. So it looks like your going to need to upgrade the PCM to take advantage of the increased shift rpm.

DTech,


So let me get this straight. You raise the rev. limiter with the product you offer. You mentioned 3400,3600,3800 and custom limits if need be.


So is your rev limiter only effective in 5th. gear or would I see higher RPM's in all gears?

count me in for 150.00 to eliminate speed limiter...97 to go

DTech,


So let me get this straight. You raise the rev. limiter with the product you offer. You mentioned 3400,3600,3800 and custom limits if need be.


So is your rev limiter only effective in 5th. gear or would I see higher RPM's in all gears?



I did'nt read that part anywhere in Diesel Tech post. What I did read is this: and I quote Diesel Tech " Well if the PCM shuts the fuel off at 3300 RPM shifting the transmission at 3400 and up will not do much good. So it looks like your going to need to upgrade the PCM to take advantage of the increased shift rpm."

Edited by: easymon4u

Easymon4u,


You are so correct! I was refering to a thread a few days ago. Diesel Tech explained to me that his three programs offered increased RPM limits. He also stated that he could supply a custom limit if required.


What I really am trying to figure out is will the increased RPM limit from TTS and Quad be noticed at all shift points or only in the top of 5th?

What I really am trying to figure out is will the increased RPM limit from TTS and Quad be noticed at all shift points or only in the top of 5th?





All shift points. My Quad has two functions. Remove speed limiter and/or remove rpm limiter. I don't mind removing the speed limiter but removing the rpm limit altogether is scary. I had a dyno operator try and turn my truck 4500 rpm one time. And then I screwed up in the water box and did the same thing. IMHO have TTS remove the speed limiter. Then raise the rpm limit but don't eliminate it. Better yet make them both user selectable/incremental. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Bronco


We can raise the Rev Limiter and/or the speed limiter. They are two seperate functions. The speed limiter box that I have discussed makeing here is not a PCM reprogram, just a plug in module that will allow the consumer to raise the speed limiter. My statement was in referance to the BD box to raise the shift RPM's to 3400 and up. If you were to buy a BD box and not have a modified PCM you will just run up onto the REV LIMITER before it ever gets around to shifting. Hope this makes it clear for you.

Ok ok... so I can see the point in wanting to go over 97mph for a racing application.

But who in their right mind would want to go faster than that, on a day-to-day basis, in a 7,000lb truck?? You guys are nuts... ;)

(then again, I guess people could say the same thing when I tell them I've seen 160+ on the banking at Daytona on my motorcycle...LOL...)

More poop for the scoop .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


There was rumor that BD was coming out with a TCM program that would enhance the holding capacity of the Allison ...


I dunno if it was plug and play or what but something was in the works ...





Mac








BD is also coming out with a line of turbos for the DMX

Ok ok... so I can see the point in wanting to go over 97mph for a racing application.

But who in their right mind would want to go faster than that, on a day-to-day basis, in a 7,000lb truck?? You guys are nuts... ;)

(then again, I guess people could say the same thing when I tell them I've seen 160+ on the banking at Daytona on my motorcycle...LOL...)


If you had some juice, you would understand.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: Hacksaw

Ok ok... so I can see the point in wanting to go over 97mph for a racing application.

But who in their right mind would want to go faster than that, on a day-to-day basis, in a 7,000lb truck?? You guys are nuts... ;)

(then again, I guess people could say the same thing when I tell them I've seen 160+ on the banking at Daytona on my motorcycle...LOL...)


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Bronco


We can raise the Rev Limiter and/or the speed limiter. They are two seperate functions. The speed limiter box that I have discussed makeing here is not a PCM reprogram, just a plug in module that will allow the consumer to raise the speed limiter. My statement was in referance to the BD box to raise the shift RPM's to 3400 and up. If you were to buy a BD box and not have a modified PCM you will just run up onto the REV LIMITER before it ever gets around to shifting. Hope this makes it clear for you.








Diesel tech,


I get your point. I realize to utilize higher shift points, the pcm would need to be programmed to allow fueling past 3300 RPM. Your product will do that.


I am still unsure as to whether of not the BD- Power Allison Stradegy serves a purpose or does your downloader already do the same thing?


Basically I understand that if you manualy shift or have a built tranny you will see the higher RPM, but will I see the higher RPM's with astock tranny in drive when floored, or would the BD- power ASS http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Allison Shift Stradegy be required?

If you do anything to the truck to raise the required engine speed above 3300 you must have a performance PCM reprogram that will add engine rpm. That being said we donot raise the shift points much at all as our testing showed it was pretty much a waste of time. Look at anyones performance curves and you will see the torque falling pretty quick above 2800. What you would like to happen when raceing is to keep the engine above peak torque but below peak Hp when going through the gears. Once you've done that as a starting point you fine tweak the shift points for best performance. We feel that point to be right at 3000 - 3100 rpm from our testing on the D-Max. Where you really need the extra rpm is drag raceing, as a good running truck will be at 3500 rpm in 5th gear at the end of the 1/4 mile. Add some NOS and you will event be higher http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

I'm really glad to see someone finally come up with something to adjust the shift points of the allison. It's just too bad the only settings are higher than stock since that is already easy to achieve by manually shifting it. Now if someone would build something to adjust the shift points lower we would have something that would work to our advantage.

Diesel Tech,


I posted this question before, but nobody got back to me. Maybe you can answer this. Why don't none of the programmers to date offer this speed limiter delete on the 2001 models? Are the 2001's that much more of a pain than the 2002's and newer. Alot more codes to fumble through? It's gotta be something.


I wonder how close we are to getting 100 people to sign up for your speed limiter delete on the 2001's. I'm not too optimistic at this point. I think I've only seen two other people other than myself on this forum that will take one of those bad boys.

My guess would be that the code is different for the 01's with regard to speed limiter and:


A) Other tuners can't figure it out.


B) They don't want to invest the time to research it for just a one year application.


C) All of the above.


D) None of the above.

OK I have no time to read the whole thing here, but where is this box? How much is it? And what is the guarantee that it will work and not screw anything up? Thanks

Which box are you talking about?


1. The BD-POWER BOX that started this thread?


2. The potential box that TTS might make?


1. 475.00, BD POWER, 4-6 WEEKS


2. 150.00 TTS, If 100 orders are placed.


1. ALLISON SHIFT STRATEGY! SHIFT FIRMNESS, SHIFT POINTS, TOP SPEED REMOVER,


NOTE: IN ORDER TO UTILIZE HIGHER SHIFT POINTS, DOWNLOADER WITH 3300 RPM LIMIT REMOVER MUST BE INCORPORATED!


2. TOP SPEED REMOVER ONLY!

Unless I get a predator I will go in on the TTS box.

Unless I get a predator I will go in on the TTS box.





Honestly I understand QUAD , TTS and maybe power pup, remove both the top speed rev limiter and the PCM rev limiter, however I can not seem to verify whether the Predator removes both funtions or just the Top Speed rev limiter?

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Money talks!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

If someone can make something that will simply GET RID of the limiter altogether and then reset it at owner's discretion (I can think of a reason why; CHEVY DEALER for one...) and do it for $150 i would buy it if it was reliable FWIW. I have read a few threads here regarding how to rid my 2004 LLY of this stupid governor and I see very little that does only that removal (I have juice/attitude and it's a real pi%%#r.

You wouldn't need to reset it, he said it would be a box. Just take 2 seconds to remove it and be done...

I would buy a proven system for 150.00 all day long. % bills is a joke for just those options!